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[Poimandres]

Yeah I always try to play the game the way the developer intended at first so I can get a proper view on things. 1999 may be tougher (though I doubt it's a proper hardcore mode due to my belief that you can't make a true hardcore game out of a game designed not to be from the start) but it's not the true vision of the game.

But who is to say what the "true vision" of the game is?

I mean, Levine is obviously the driving force behind the game, but there would no doubt be people at Irrational who wrestled with issues of difficulty, balance etc trying to get things right. We won't really know where the sweet spot is until the game launches.

Most of the time "normal" should be the best way to play a game, but as we know all too well that often isn't the case. A higher difficulty can be frustrating and detract from a game, or it can make for a better experience.

For a game like Bioshock Infinite with resource management, skill specialization and (hopefully) different ways to tackle encounters, I could see relatively harsh restrictions really adding to the game.

 

[MNC]

Have we seen any console footage yet?.

I dont think we have

I thought the VGA awards trailer was Xbox? Or was it PC with Xbox Controller?

Looking back at old Elizabeth face models, I'm glad at the change. Or rather...

I kind of liked this one.

This one's face shape was kind of off and I never quite liked it... I think it's the round face/cheeks.

But then again this one

Is in the same face-era as the previous one, isn't it? Which looks loads better than the previous one.

I think this is her current face?

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah I always try to play the game the way the developer intended at first so I can get a proper view on things. 1999 may be tougher (though I doubt it's a proper hardcore mode due to my belief that you can't make a true hardcore game out of a game designed not to be from the start) but it's not the true vision of the game.

I'd like a mode where it deletes your save if you die. That'd be just my taste <

 

[Andrew.]

I'd like a mode where it deletes your save if you die. That'd be just my taste <

Sadistic man. Sadistic.

17 more days!

*Ami, go play Minerva already.

 

[GoddyofAus]

Sadistic man. Sadistic.

17 more days!

*Ami, go play Minerva already.

Irrational better start paying you man.

 

[i-Lo]

One thing I wanted to know though: Does Elizabeth's model have a slightly different art style than other characters that inhabit the world? Looking at her proportions she has that slight anime look as opposed to other NPCs that look more realistic.

 

[Andrew.]

Irrational better start paying you man.

The payment will come in spades on the 26th =P

Id love to work for them though.

 

[Ithil]

I thought the VGA awards trailer was Xbox? Or was it PC with Xbox Controller?

Looking back at old Elizabeth face models, I'm glad at the change. Or rather...


I kind of liked this one.


This one's face shape was kind of off and I never quite liked it... I think it's the round face/cheeks.

But then again this one

Is in the same face-era as the previous one, isn't it? Which looks loads better than the previous one.




I think this is her current face?

I think she's been slightly modifed since then again, or at least it seems that way from the latest gameplay footage. I don't know why they went through this many face designs, but obviously there's something they're looking for from her design that's hard to nail down. Maybe they'll explain it after the game is out.

One thing I wanted to know though: Does Elizabeth's model have a slightly different art style than other characters that inhabit the world? Looking at her proportions she has that slight anime look as opposed to other NPCs that look more realistic.

It does appear to, yes, probably to make her more distinct she looks a little different in style. Levine has said they wanted her to be eye-catching, thus why they've given her such a large, round, noticeable pair of

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eyes.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

They are speaking of the landing prompt/enemy highlight from when you are utilizing the skylines. There are a few minor limitations, but nothing unreasonable.

That's great news.

I don't particularly mind if access to skylines limited somewhat, my only concern (now cleared up) was that they limited access to the skylines to set pieces.

 

[Dragon1893]

It does appear to, yes, probably to make her more distinct she looks a little different in style. Levine has said they wanted her to be eye-catching, thus why they've given her such a large, round, noticeable pair of

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eyes.

lol
But yeah, I think Levine said that the big eyes make it easier for the player to see her facial expressions from a distance.
She will comunicate a lot through gestures and facial expressions.

I can't wait to compare her with Ellie from The Last of Us, both characters are a huge challenge for the devs and comparing the end results both studios have achieved will be absolutely fascinating.

As for her character model, I think she's beautiful. The whole game looks incredibly appealing.

 

[i-Lo]

It does appear to, yes, probably to make her more distinct she looks a little different in style. Levine has said they wanted her to be eye-catching, thus why they've given her such a large, round, noticeable pair of

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eyes.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

 

[DatDude]

I think she personally looks her best now.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Is the best preorder deal for pc at green man gaming? $14 cash back. Amazon has $30 gift card for 2k games but are there any decent 2k games coming this year on pc?

 

[LQX]

Is the best preorder deal for pc at green man gaming? $14 cash back. Amazon has $30 gift card for 2k games but are there any decent 2k games coming this year on pc?

GTA:V maybe?

 

[Eideka]

GTA:V maybe?

Not this year for sure. I sound like a broken record but if it ever comes out on PC the earliest window would be March-June 2014.

 

[speculawyer]

80% REWARD 2: Exclusive Bioshock Infinite TF2 items

Getting there. I want my silly items.

 

[Derrick01]

^ Me too. I need some extra money.

But who is to say what the "true vision" of the game is?

I mean, Levine is obviously the driving force behind the game, but there would no doubt be people at Irrational who wrestled with issues of difficulty, balance etc trying to get things right. We won't really know where the sweet spot is until the game launches.

Most of the time "normal" should be the best way to play a game, but as we know all too well that often isn't the case. A higher difficulty can be frustrating and detract from a game, or it can make for a better experience.

For a game like Bioshock Infinite with resource management, skill specialization and (hopefully) different ways to tackle encounters, I could see relatively harsh restrictions really adding to the game.

I just meant the normal modes are what they designed the game for. 1999 mode is extra for forum people like us and I have doubts on how far it'll go because most hardcore modes are either half assed or don't go far enough.

 

[Andrew.]

Every game needs a "Derrick Mode"

 

[CrazyDude]

Every game needs a "Derrick Mode"

My life needs a Derrick Mode.

 

[bumclot]

So no MP in this, right? I'm planning on pre-ordering the game and getting the season pass too, but I'm not interested in MP content.

 

[SictorVullivan]

So no MP in this, right? I'm planning on pre-ordering the game and getting the season pass too, but I'm not interested in MP content.

No multiplayer whatsover, which in the very recent tradition of most games having an MP mode shoe-horned in is a very welcome sight

 

[Deadbeat]

I just meant the normal modes are what they designed the game for. 1999 mode is extra for forum people like us and I have doubts on how far it'll go because most hardcore modes are either half assed or don't go far enough.

Like the survival stuff in fallout new vegas.

 

[DatDude]

So no MP in this, right? I'm planning on pre-ordering the game and getting the season pass too, but I'm not interested in MP content.

nope.

 

[Derrick01]

Like the survival stuff in fallout new vegas.

The entire hardcore mode in new vegas fits under doesn't go far enough. Thankfully Sawyer made that mod later on down the road.

 

[Ithil]

So no MP in this, right? I'm planning on pre-ordering the game and getting the season pass too, but I'm not interested in MP content.

Levine says they tried it out, couldn't make it work in the game (or make it interesting, whichever) and cut it.

 

[DatDude]

No mp in a 2013 game...the giant sized balls the publishers must have.

 

[AMUSIX]

80% REWARD 2: Exclusive Bioshock Infinite TF2 items

Getting there. I want my silly items.

Bah, I want my XCOM ....but doesn't look like it'll happen...

 

[ironcreed]

No multiplayer whatsover, which in the very recent tradition of most games having an MP mode shoe-horned in is a very welcome sight

Indeed. Glad they put all their resources into the campaign, which is the way it should be with such a series.

 

[Sorian]

^ Me too. I need some extra money.



I just meant the normal modes are what they designed the game for. 1999 mode is extra for forum people like us and I have doubts on how far it'll go because most hardcore modes are either half assed or don't go far enough.

If game over doesn't result in a deleted save file than it didn't go far enough. <3 you Geralt!

 

[Andrew.]

The entire hardcore mode in new vegas fits under doesn't go far enough. Thankfully Sawyer made that mod later on down the road.

So are you buying it or are you just planning to ignorantly bitch about it post release?

You've stated The Last of Us was the next game you would purchase, but we all know how much you couldnt resist the urge of Croft.

 

[Varna]

So are you buying it or are you just planning to ignorantly bitch about it post release?

He did buy Tomb Raider after all...

New Vegas hardcore + Very hard was a very good start for the game. With a game like that I think Obisidan anticipated the fans would take care of this rest relatively quickly. Sawyer's mod was a great addition, but by the time It came out Project Nevada was already out and you could tweak the entire game to whatever difficulty you wanted.

 

[Derrick01]

So are you buying it or are you just planning to ignorantly bitch about it post release?

You've stated The Last of Us was the next game you would purchase, but we all know how much you couldnt resist the urge of Croft.

I don't even have last of us preordered yet. I paid this game off weeks ago. I don't know why you think I'm offended by this game's existence like I was with Tomb Raider, I already told you I got over the massive dumbing down with Bioshock 1.

 

[Andrew.]

I don't even have last of us preordered yet. I paid this game off weeks ago. I don't know why you think I'm offended by this game's existence like I was with Tomb Raider, I already told you I got over the massive dumbing down with Bioshock 1.

Because as far as I've known you on this forum, you've been offended by every games existence in some way, shape or form.

Nevertheless, Im sure you already know how much we all look forward to you semi saturating the thread with your poisonously shitty opinions while the majority of us will be having a fucking blast =P

As always.

 

[Deadbeat]

Because as far as I've known you on this forum, you've been offended by every games existence in some way, shape or form.

Nevertheless, Im sure you already know how much we all look forward to you semi saturating the thread with your poisonously shitty opinions while the majority of us will be having a fucking blast =P

As always.

I also cant wait for you to semi saturate the thread with your irrational defense of any criticisms the game might have from people. Your defensiveness of a game that isnt even out yet is quite pathetic.

 

[Andrew.]

I also cant wait for you to semi saturate the thread with your*irrational defense of any criticisms the game might have from people. Your defensiveness of a game that isnt even out yet is quite pathetic.

If I have issues with it, Ill say so. Im simply looking forward to it like crazy thats all.

And Im not being defensive of the game. I just cant stand Derrick.

* I see what you did there.

 

[GoddyofAus]

I also cant wait for you to semi saturate the thread with your irrational defense of any criticisms the game might have from people. Your defensiveness of a game that isnt even out yet is quite pathetic.

EDIT: FUCK.

 

[Derrick01]

If I have issues with it, Ill say so. Im simply looking forward to it like crazy thats all.

And Im not being defensive of the game. I just cant stand Derrick.

* I see what you did there.

Fanboys generally can't take people bringing up valid criticisms of their favorite games. I'd tell you to grow up but I feel like I'd just be wasting my time.

 

[Andrew.]

Fanboys generally can't take people bringing up valid criticisms of their favorite games. I'd tell you to grow up but I feel like I'd just be wasting my time.

 

[Ceebs]

Bah, I want my XCOM ....but doesn't look like it'll happen...

It will. The last tier of the X-Com preorder stuff did not unlock until close to release.

 

[Remachinate]

Ugh, I can already imagine how polarized the opinions in the OT are going to be. The game has high expectations associated with it, and I'm almost as hyped as Andrew is, but I'm really hoping we can talk about the flaws the game might have without totally denying its worth.

 

[Andrew.]

Ugh, I can already imagine how polarized the opinions in the OT are going to be. The game has high expectations associated with it, and I'm almost as hyped as Andrew is, but I'm really hoping we can talk about the flaws the game might have without totally denying its worth.

Great post dude, but unfortunately that aint gonna happen.

 

[Sorian]

Can we maybe hold off on this infighting until at least the OT?

 

[Andrew.]

Can we maybe hold off on this infighting until at least the OT?

Youre a good guy Sorian, especially with your Spec Ops love and thoughts and all. But the answer is no.

=P

 

[Alchemy]

Can't wait for my collectors edition to show up. If this had Occulus support at launch I think I would die of happiness.

 

[Andrew.]

Can't wait for my collectors edition to show up. If this had Occulus support at launch I think I would die of happiness.

Id probably have a stroke playing anything Oculus related.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

What are the chances the game will somehow release early?

I can't wait. I have a Bioboner.

 

[CambriaRising]

I was discussing the recent batch of trailers. There very actiony-hollywood esque and seems very honed on selling this game to the dude bro market it seems.

The game itself looks about as risky as it gets in the gaming industry nowadays.

Bioshock was sold the same way. It even had a prime time GTTV special a week before release. Not to mention if you go to gamestop, they are plastered with infinite adverts.

 

[Sorian]

Youre a good guy Sorian, especially with your Spec Ops love and thoughts and all. But the answer is no.

=P

I tried

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Speaking of Spec Ops, I expect some type of meta commentary from Infinite or I will be disappointed

 

[DukeBobby]

Can we maybe hold off on this infighting until at least the OT?

Impossible. Once those two go at it, there's no stopping them.

At least it will invoke some interesting discussion in the OT. And by interesting, I mean ridiculous hyperbole from both sides.

 

[Andrew.]

What are the chances the game will somehow release early?

I can't wait. I have a Bioboner.

Fucking Praiseworthy will have a copy the weekend before I know it. Hes playing Ascension right now and he was playing TR days beforehand too =/