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More Fun To Compute said:
Traditionally you keep captives for ransom like Blackbeard did with Bonney. Other than that maybe he hopes he will swear loyalty to him like when Jinbei was held in Impel down.
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Yeah, that would be interesting if Kid has some kind of worth beyond his bountry. Otherwise I can't see Kaido really needing the money.
It's probably Kaido just thinking he can convince him to join.
slightconfuse said:
Kidd is more useful alive. He is a DF user
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Not when he doesn't want to do anything for you.
Might as well kill him to get his fruit if that were the case.
 
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Cloud Strife said:
Him being in the prison cell is the biggest question though. Why is he being kept alive?
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he probably wants kidd to submit to him like apoo and hawkins did. here we see the difference between luffy and kaido. he forces pirates to be under him and people willingly join luffy. perhaps in the end all the supernovas under kaido break away from him and join luffy. my biggest question is if the plans to go against shanks are cancelled. if they are then maybe blackbeard is the one to go against him and christmas comes early for blackleg-sanji and shanks gets taken down. i think dragon prevents the confrontation with blackbeard from becoming a full scale war by offering something in return.
 
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Absolutely amazing. I would go bankrupt on an 8x11 graphic novel format of this series in colour. Will never happen, but I can dream dammit!
smurfx said:
he probably wants kidd to submit to him like apoo and hawkins did. here we see the difference between luffy and kaido. he forces pirates to be under him and people willingly join luffy. perhaps in the end all the supernovas under kaido break away from him and join luffy. my biggest question is if the plans to go against shanks are cancelled. if they are then maybe blackbeard is the one to go against him and christmas comes early for blackleg-sanji and shanks gets taken down. i think dragon prevents the confrontation with blackbeard from becoming a full scale war by offering something in return.
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Would definitely be an interesting contrast, and off the top of my head I can't think of a villain in OP that has done that yet.
As for Shanks, no idea. We need to learn more about what he's after or what his motivations are.
Regardless of who he fight, BB will be on top just due to the way the story is going. I could see the revo battle being a stalemate.
 
smurfx said:
he probably wants kidd to submit to him like apoo and hawkins did. here we see the difference between luffy and kaido. he forces pirates to be under him and people willingly join luffy. perhaps in the end all the supernovas under kaido break away from him and join luffy. my biggest question is if the plans to go against shanks are cancelled. if they are then maybe blackbeard is the one to go against him and christmas comes early for blackleg-sanji and shanks gets taken down. i think dragon prevents the confrontation with blackbeard from becoming a full scale war by offering something in return.
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I still think the two won't fight.

Why risk it when there might not be much to gain besides the weapons, last time we saw BB he was still afraid of engaging with a single Admiral with all of his crew there.
 
kaido probably doesn't really have any motivation to keep kid alive other than oda hvaving other plans for him,and this being onepiece where very rarely people die

but we have really no idea what kaido is like apart from some third party comments and a little of dialogue from him..so he might just have appreciated kid's pride and kept him alive..in the end from what we know about him,his story is also one of numerous defeats and him keeping coming back and refusing to die
 
Ray Down said:
I still think the two won't fight.

Why risk it when there might not be much to gain besides the weapons, last time we saw BB he was still afraid of engaging with a single Admiral with all of his crew there.
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Blackbeard didn't have full control over his second df yet.
 
Cloud Strife said:
So my friend and I just had an interesting discussion. What if Apoo (and maybe Hawkins) were already aligned with Kaido from the start?

If Jack and Apoo had a pre-existing line of communication, then that would been that Apoo would have already been in touch with Jack before he attacked Zou. As we know, Jack was on Zou several days prior to Luffy beating Doflamingo and before the time-skip even began. Therefore, Apoo would have had a line of communication with Jack before his meeting with Kid and Hawkins.

Also, if you think about Hawkins and his probability/fortune-telling voodoo bullshit, maybe that's how Jack was able to locate Zou consistently, making him an accomplice. If you think about it, how did Jack figure out where Doflamingo was post-dresrossa? He always seems to know where to go.

There are several holes in this, which make me skeptical. You could argue that Jack learned about Apoo/Hawkins/Kid after he left Zou from Kaido, since it was a certain amount of days to get from Zou->Doflamingo's escort. Also, Jack could just be using Vivre Cards and has some for people on Zou and Doflamingo himself. Finally, I'm not sure what the point of Apoo and Hawkins trying to form an alliance with Kid would be if they were already with Kaido.

That all being said, if Kid is being held prisoner atm on Wano as opposed to being killed then there may be something going on here we don't know of. The only other connection I can think of is Kid attacking Scotch (underling of Kaido) near the beginning of the time-skip.

Him being in the prison cell is the biggest question though. Why is he being kept alive?
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the omniscent narrator told us that kaido was there to make a suicide attempt..and that can be considered as fact given the source..also,kaido seemed to have no interest fro the three men in front of him after he landed,his behavior seems to contradict the theory that he was there for them.

also..he had no motivation..the group was going after shanks,and for what we know,shanks going down can only help kaidou,since it means a competitor down

about jack knowing where doffy was there are two very plausible explanation

1)being doffy a business partner,they have a vivre card with his name so that they can find him when they want..doffy has no problem giving them one because he has no intention of interrupting the business relationship.

2)the only place where they can bring doffy is impel down..no other place can take the guy into custody,and the route from dressrosa to the prison it's pretty starightforward,from dressrosa to fishman island (with an eternal pose),from fishman island to marineford and then through the tarai current to impel down..no reason to take any other route since it's a waste of time,so once you know the exact route,you pretty much ony have to wait for when they show up
 
Majukun said:
the omniscent narrator told us that kaido was there to make a suicide attempt..and that can be considered as fact given the source..also,kaido seemed to have no interest fro the three men in front of him after he landed,his behavior seems to contradict the theory that he was there for them.

also..he had no motivation..the group was going after shanks,and for what we know,shanks going down can only help kaidou,since it means a competitor down

about jack knowing where doffy was there are two very plausible explanation

1)being doffy a business partner,they have a vivre card with his name so that they can find him when they want..doffy has no problem giving them one because he has no intention of interrupting the business relationship.

2)the only place where they can bring doffy is impel down..no other place can take the guy into custody,and the route from dressrosa to the prison it's pretty starightforward,from dressrosa to fishman island (with an eternal pose),from fishman island to marineford and then through the tarai current to impel down..no reason to take any other route since it's a waste of time,so once you know the exact route,you pretty much ony have to wait for when they show up
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Pretty much. Doffy will be in prison. But will get out somehow. He will be the crocodile of the new world
 
TheFlow said:
Pretty much. Doffy will be in prison. But will get out somehow. He will be the crocodile of the new world
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crocodile is the crocodile of the new world.

also i don't think doffy will get out..if anything he is safer in impel down than outside considering the tenryuubito want him dead...i even thought they would just straight up kill him since they have the interest and the power to do so..but i suppose it was too dark for onepiece
 
Majukun said:
crocodile is the crocodile of the new world.

also i don't think doffy will get out..if anything he is safer in impel down than outside considering the tenryuubito want him dead...i even thought they would just straight up kill him since they have the interest and the power to do so..but i suppose it was too dark for onepiece
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I am saying doffy is going to be narrating on world events through prison, but he will eventually get out like croc.

but this is Oda so anything can happen to Doffy.
 
Majukun said:
the omniscent narrator told us that kaido was there to make a suicide attempt..and that can be considered as fact given the source..also,kaido seemed to have no interest fro the three men in front of him after he landed,his behavior seems to contradict the theory that he was there for them.

also..he had no motivation..the group was going after shanks,and for what we know,shanks going down can only help kaidou,since it means a competitor down

about jack knowing where doffy was there are two very plausible explanation

1)being doffy a business partner,they have a vivre card with his name so that they can find him when they want..doffy has no problem giving them one because he has no intention of interrupting the business relationship.

2)the only place where they can bring doffy is impel down..no other place can take the guy into custody,and the route from dressrosa to the prison it's pretty starightforward,from dressrosa to fishman island (with an eternal pose),from fishman island to marineford and then through the tarai current to impel down..no reason to take any other route since it's a waste of time,so once you know the exact route,you pretty much ony have to wait for when they show up
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Doesn't mean that was his sole purpose. And you're right on the interest, but again, we won't know until that scene is revealed. Totally possible he could have doubly been on his way to the island in the first place and decided, "hey, why not try and fucking kill myself from this conveniently placed sky island above the base".

On Shanks, why get in the way of the alliance then? Might as well leave them alone to take out Shanks instead of taking Kid prisoner and fucking them up. But you're right, and a lack of motivation is something I mentioned in my post.

Same with the Vivre card, but I wouldn't be so sure about your location argument. Jack realistically had no idea where Doflamingo was going to go, when the convoy was going to leave, or what route they were going to take. Jack found them pretty quickly given the timeline, and I bet it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that it's related to how he keeps finding Zou so consistently.

Back to Apoo, Greg on OPP this week also hinted at the greeting that Apoo uses to address Kaido is more of formal respect than anything else we've seen from his crew suggesting familiarity. If Greg is thinking about it, then we may be on to something...
 
Cloud Strife said:
Doesn't mean that was his sole purpose. And you're right on the interest, but again, we won't know until that scene is revealed. Totally possible he could have doubly been on his way to the island in the first place and decided, "hey, why not try and fucking kill myself from this conveniently placed sky island above the base".
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the island was not conveniently placed..you have to go a long way to reach the sky islands (as gan fall explained back in skypiea)..so it's not something you stumble upon while traveling from one place to the other..is a place when you go on purpose,and also knowing it's there,something impossible to do from the sea level

On Shanks, why get in the way of the alliance then? Might as well leave them alone to take out Shanks instead of taking Kid prisoner and fucking them up. But you're right, and a lack of motivation is something I mentioned in my post.
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i think i't more of the alliance getting on his way really...knowing kid he probably attacked the guy because he was on his base...

Same with the Vivre card, but I wouldn't be so sure about your location argument. Jack realistically had no idea where Doflamingo was going to go, when the convoy was going to leave, or what route they were going to take. Jack found them pretty quickly given the timeline, and I bet it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that it's related to how he keeps finding Zou so consistently.
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there is only one place where the highly dangerous guys are taken,and it's impel down,so jack knew exatly where the convoy with doflamingo was going.
when the convoy leaves doesn't really matter since you can,you know,wait for them to pass.
The route is only one,the one line that starts from dressrosa and ends at fishman island..when you know those two locations on a map and you make a line between point a and point b you have your route..as long as you are navigating in the grand line,you are following a logpose (in this case an eternal pose),and what it does is ALWAYS point in that direction,so they have no reason to not follow that line.
It would be diferent if they didn't had an eternal pose and had to travel between the islands,but I can't believe an high security convoy with an ex shichibukai as the prisoner will not do a direct route,let alone do stops in the various islands with different registrations time to wait.



Back to Apoo, Greg on OPP this week also hinted at the greeting that Apoo uses to address Kaido is more of formal respect than anything else we've seen from his crew suggesting familiarity. If Greg is thinking about it, then we may be on to something...
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i'm no japanese expert,but would even more formality mean distance instead of familiarity?familiarity is when you use an informal style..if he is being overly formal he is distancing himself from kaidou even more than usual...
 
Majukun said:
the island was not conveniently placed..you have to go a long way to reach the sky islands (as gan fall explained back in skypiea)..so it's not something you stumble upon while traveling from one place to the other..is a place when you go on purpose,and also knowing it's there,something impossible to do from the sea level



i think i't more of the alliance getting on his way really...knowing kid he probably attacked the guy because he was on his base...



there is only one place where the highly dangerous guys are taken,and it's impel down,so jack knew exatly where the convoy with doflamingo was going.
when the convoy leaves doesn't really matter since you can,you know,wait for them to pass.
The route is only one,the one line that starts from dressrosa and ends at fishman island..when you know those two locations on a map and you make a line between point a and point b you have your route..as long as you are navigating in the grand line,you are following a logpose (in this case an eternal pose),and what it does is ALWAYS point in that direction,so they have no reason to not follow that line.
It would be diferent if they didn't had an eternal pose and had to travel between the islands,but I can't believe an high security convoy with an ex shichibukai as the prisoner will not do a direct route,let alone do stops in the various islands with different registrations time to wait.



i'm no japanese expert,but would even more formality mean distance instead of familiarity?familiarity is when you use an informal style..if he is being overly formal he is distancing himself from kaidou even more than usual...
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Maybe for normal people, but I'm not sure the same would hold true for pirates. And Greg lives in Japan and speaks and reads Japanese well enough that he was able to be hired by Shueisha to write a column on One Piece, so I'll take his word on this
 
I may be mistaken but didn't Greg say that the person Lucci was talking to was Kaku or something based on how he talked?
 
Wow blackleg got banned again? Haha what is this dude doing getting himself banned every month

Ontopic, i think that one panel focusing on ginrummy last chapter was kinda suspicious
 
Majukun said:
the island was not conveniently placed..you have to go a long way to reach the sky islands (as gan fall explained back in skypiea)..so it's not something you stumble upon while traveling from one place to the other..is a place when you go on purpose,and also knowing it's there,something impossible to do from the sea level

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there is only one place where the highly dangerous guys are taken,and it's impel down,so jack knew exatly where the convoy with doflamingo was going.
when the convoy leaves doesn't really matter since you can,you know,wait for them to pass.
The route is only one,the one line that starts from dressrosa and ends at fishman island..when you know those two locations on a map and you make a line between point a and point b you have your route..as long as you are navigating in the grand line,you are following a logpose (in this case an eternal pose),and what it does is ALWAYS point in that direction,so they have no reason to not follow that line.
It would be diferent if they didn't had an eternal pose and had to travel between the islands,but I can't believe an high security convoy with an ex shichibukai as the prisoner will not do a direct route,let alone do stops in the various islands with different registrations time to wait.
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Holy shit lmao. Think outside the box dude, always black and white with you :P

Red Fire said:
Wow blackleg got banned again? Haha what is this dude doing getting himself banned every month

Ontopic, i think that one panel focusing on ginrummy last chapter was kinda suspicious
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No wonder this thread is so quiet! Hoping he's back for the chapter.
 
TheFlow said:
I am saying doffy is going to be narrating on world events through prison, but he will eventually get out like croc.

but this is Oda so anything can happen to Doffy.
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if doffy gets out it's so he can get killed and have his devil fruit stolen by blackbeard. he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore.
 
RIP Blackleg, your post history seemed innocent enough. I know you're with us from beyond the grave <3
Hopefully Sanji stuff doesn't drop this week for his sake
 
RIP Blackleg. Dude really kept the conversation alive. Wonder what the ban was about, his post history doesn't indicate anything bad...

Probs the worst time for it to happen because I'd bet money that we hear more about Sanji this week.
 
Sanji having access to a Devil Fruit Encylcopedia fits given that he is apart of an influential and powerful family. I'm certain it was Vegapunk who created the book in the first place, I hope we get at least a tiny bit of Vegapunk connections to Sanji's past.

I love One Piece so much, it's the only story I can rely on any more to continue playing by its rules with no contradictions in its lore.

Good bye BlackLeg you were a Sanji brother in arms. Or rather a brother in legs.

When banned from neogaf there are different levels of bans right?
 
Hope Blackleg ain't permed, enjoy talking to him, and he's the resident Goten fan in the Super OT. Who will tow the line now? Nobody lol.
 
Kave_Man said:
Blackleg is banned?

Sanji is shit!

HE'S SHIIIIIITTTTTTT!!!
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You couldn't wait, could ya :p
GhostBed said:
RIP Blackleg. Dude really kept the conversation alive. Wonder what the ban was about, his post history doesn't indicate anything bad...

Probs the worst time for it to happen because I'd bet money that we hear more about Sanji this week.
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Bit the bullet on Gaming Side from what I can see. Posted in the wrong place at the wrong time.
RomanceDawn said:
Sanji having access to a Devil Fruit Encylcopedia fits given that he is apart of an influential and powerful family. I'm certain it was Vegapunk who created the book in the first place, I hope we get at least a tiny bit of Vegapunk connections to Sanji's past.

I love One Piece so much, it's the only story I can rely on any more to continue playing by its rules with no contradictions in its lore.

Good bye BlackLeg you were a Sanji brother in arms. Or rather a brother in legs.

When banned from neogaf there are different levels of bans right?
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You're hyping me up so hard right now. So psyched for Big Mom's arc and the Vinsmokes in general.

And yeah, depends on what you did and it's either a perm or a temp for a period of time set by the mod that banned ya.
 
blackleg has been getting banned quite frequently so chances are that his bans are going to start becoming pretty long. i wonder how vegapunk is going to be introduced and if he is going to have any interactions with the pirate world. i kinda want to see kaido or big mom kidnap him and have him work for them.
 
smurfx said:
blackleg has been getting banned quite frequently so chances are that his bans are going to start becoming pretty long. i wonder how vegapunk is going to be introduced and if he is going to have any interactions with the pirate world. i kinda want to see kaido or big mom kidnap him and have him work for them.
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God, I neeeeeeeed some Vegapunk info. His reveal will come with so many lore explanations.

I also just wanna see what the guy looks like. I bet Oda's had his design down for a while now.
 
I think some of the mods don't like blackleg. He has a pretty strong personality, haha.

That colored Zou image posted above is DOPE. I can't wait for the anime to get there.
 
Cloud Strife said:
Holy shit lmao. Think outside the box dude, always black and white with you :P


No wonder this thread is so quiet! Hoping he's back for the chapter.
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i work with the rules the euthor gave us,if he changes the rules midway,at least i can't say i didn't try :P

i think that's usually how a theory should be constructed..but seeing what kind of theory videos are popular on youtube and what kind of reviewers are popular,I'm starting to think i'm the only one that thinks that XD

RomanceDawn said:
Sanji having access to a Devil Fruit Encylcopedia fits given that he is apart of an influential and powerful family. I'm certain it was Vegapunk who created the book in the first place, I hope we get at least a tiny bit of Vegapunk connections to Sanji's past.
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considering blackbeard had access to that,i doubt it's such a rare or esclusive book,although he might be the exception to the rule
 
What if at the end of the arc Sanji actually would get married!
It would be an unusual change for his character and archetype, Even through i can actually see him become a much more balanced person and using his love to fire his attacks. It is also long overdone in manga (at least the ones i read) to present marriage and love in a balancing way and giving you strength though emotional support.
I would also funny to see, how a married Sanji would act, if encounter other beautiful woman.

From all character in the series this change on him would have the most interesting effects.
 
Metal B said:
What if at the end of the arc Sanji actually would get married!
It would be an unusual change for his character and archetype, Even through i can actually see him become a much more balanced person and using his love to fire his attacks. It is also long overdone in manga (at least the ones i read) to present marriage and love in a balancing way and giving you strength though emotional support.
I would also funny to see, how a married Sanji would act, if encounter other beautiful woman.

From all character in the series this change on him would have the most interesting effects.
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the marriage has been presented as him ceasing to be a strawhat pirate..so it's difficult it would happen
 
Song of the Turtle said:
But didn't Luffy say that he wouldn't care at all and that Sanjis wife simply would become part of the crew?
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yes,and theat's when pekoms told him that sanji marriage would make him part of big mom's crew,and that at best all of them would have become part of big mom's subordinates,but the yonkou had no interest in that

basically oda gave us that possibility ans shoot it down immediately
 
Majukun said:
yes,and theat's when pekoms told him that sanji marriage would make him part of big mom's crew,and that at best all of them would have become part of big mom's subordinates,but the yonkou had no interest in that

basically oda gave us that possibility ans shoot it down immediately
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Pekoms just doesn't understand what Luffy is like if he thinks that he would give way to Big Mom.
 
More Fun To Compute said:
Pekoms just doesn't understand what Luffy is like if he thinks that he would give way to Big Mom.
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well,actually he said it doesn't matter because big mom is not interested in them anyway..he just said that being married with one of her daughters,it would mean that sanji is now part of her crew,with or without the strawhats
 
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