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hosannainexcelsis

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The funny thing about gender representation in anime is that, if an anime's main cast is mostly guys its main target audience is usually female, while if an anime's main cast is mostly girls its main target audience is usually male.
 
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Poodlestrike

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hosannainexcelsis said:
The funny thing about gender representation in anime is that, if an anime's main cast is mostly guys its main target audience is usually female, while if an anime's main cast is mostly girls its main target audience is usually male.
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That's only really true for specific subgenres tho. For instance, any non-harem Shonen is definitely aimed at a male audience, and it's almost certainly going to have a cast that's >>50% male.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
You say that like elements of ephebophilia or worse are some kind of irreplaceable component of Japanese culture. OPM isn't having VHS bootlegs imported into the States with dubs superimposed in seedy dark labs; it's clearly being distributed wherever Daisuki and whatnot are available, and acting like "Japan shouldn't have to stoop to America's level by dumbing down things their barbarian sensibilities wouldn't be able to pick up, such as loli" is downright ridiculous. I mean, in terms of making something universally "marketable," creating a well-rounded woman character without having her play into either intentional sexualization or intentionally sexualizing a childlike character doesn't somehow strip the character or work of its Japanese identity. Besides, I don't see how you can seriously say Japan has "different values" when you're explicitly laying out that all of the weird pandery loli shit is specifically aimed at a niche audience. Your average Japanese citizen isn't going to sign off on something like that.
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Daisuki, Hulu, Crunchyroll and Funimation really aren't in the position to change any of the stuff they are getting. The real people that would change stuff is a board of old Japanese dudes on a production committee who either don't know that an audience outside of Japan exists or don't care/underestimate how big it is and they have been working with a mostly niche audience outside of a few shows like Sazae-san or One Piece for decades. There may come a time when that shifts because of the popularity of CR, Funi and other digital services but that's starting to go outside my knowledge. Even if you look at a show made for a Western audience (Space Dandy) the first episode of that was about the MC looking for a restaurant called Boobies and talking about how ass is life.
 
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Russ T

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sn00zer said:
Laughed out loud at the
"I'll come with you....because I have nothing else to do"
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Delivery was fuckin' spot on, haha.

MetroidPrimeRib said:
Daisuki, Hulu, Crunchyroll and Funimation really aren't in the position to change any of the stuff they are getting.
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They could just say no to certain things, or choose not to seek them out (and who knows, maybe they do). Although I don't think that has any practical effect, either.

MetroidPrimeRib said:
Even if you look at a show made for a Western audience (Space Dandy) the first episode of that was about the MC looking for a restaurant called Boobies and talking about how ass is life.
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Well, let's be honest, it's not like that sort of stuff doesn't fly over here. People eat that shit up. Only reason people might think it's weird in Space Dandy is because it's a cartoon for kids or whatever.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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Russ T said:
They could just say no to certain things, or choose not to seek them out (and who knows, maybe they do). Although I don't think that has any practical effect, either.
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People would just pirate it then. Hell people STILL pirate a lot, even with these services. That's understandable though, the Western market has gotten most of the shit for free for a long time so the idea that you can pay for it legally probably doesn't cross a lot of minds.

Going with what I said before, it also has to do with the market. Popular LN series and manga are going to get adaptations, although the manga market is WAY bigger then the LN market. People often joke that LNs are way trashier then manga but that's what sells.
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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Poodlestrike said:
That's only really true for specific subgenres tho. For instance, any non-harem Shonen is definitely aimed at a male audience, and it's almost certainly going to have a cast that's >>50% male.
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I should clarify here that I am speaking of anime as opposed to manga. When you are dealing with anime adaptations of shounen manga where the cast is primarily male, such as Haikyuu or Kuroko, the people who will be financially supporting the anime - buying the discs, buying the merchandise, creating the fanart and fanfiction, etc. - are primarily female, and the anime production team keep that fact in mind. Even shounen adaptations with a more balanced gender ratio, such as Gintama, often have female otaku as a core target demographic.
 
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Russ T

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MetroidPrimeRib said:
People would just pirate it then. Hell people STILL pirate a lot, even with these services. That's understandable though, the Western market has gotten most of the shit for free for a long time so the idea that you can pay for it legally probably doesn't cross a lot of minds.

Going with what I said before, it also has to do with the market. Popular LN series and manga are going to get adaptations, although the manga market is WAY bigger then the LN market. People often joke that LNs are way trashier then manga but that's what sells.
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Oh, I totally completely agree. Just wanted to say that it's not like the official distributors are powerless. Pirating is easy, but I think pirates are typically a smaller audience than non-pirates.

EDIT: Well, that's actually probably not true at all for anime, is it, haha. FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID.

hosannainexcelsis said:
I should clarify here that I am speaking of anime as opposed to manga. When you are dealing with anime adaptations of shounen manga where the cast is primarily male, such as Haikyuu or Kuroko, the people who will be financially supporting the anime - buying the discs, buying the merchandise, creating the fanart and fanfiction, etc. - are primarily female, and the anime production team keep that fact in mind. Even shounen adaptations with a more balanced gender ratio, such as Gintama, often have female otaku as a core target demographic.
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I've seen you say this a lot, and it's not like I don't believe you (the anime you typically point out have a lot of hot dudes... oh yes), but where are you getting your information from? Presumably some Japanese websites I can't understand.
 
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Black-Wind

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Watching the anime and ... can anyone tell me if anyone ever becomes strong by following his work out advice or is he just special?
 
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Zolo

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Russ T said:
Oh, I totally completely agree. Just wanted to say that it's not like the official distributors are powerless. Pirating is easy, but I think pirates are typically a smaller audience than non-pirates.

EDIT: Well, that's actually probably not true at all for anime, is it, haha. FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID.
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Yep. Go to any manga board and figure how many people read it legally and the others go to online manga reading sites.
 
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Crocodile

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Russ T said:
They could just say no to certain things, or choose not to seek them out (and who knows, maybe they do). Although I don't think that has any practical effect, either.
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Not only is that probably not financially advisable nor would I be surprised if Crunchyroll/Hulu/Diasuki has to buy licenses in packages but I don't feel Crunchyroll et al. should get to choose based on their own subjective, arbitrary morals what should or shouldn't be legally distributed. Or at least stuff has to be WAY more objectionable than anything we see in non-Hentai animation. Plus how would you jive that with any non-anime material those sites might carry? Cruncyroll et al. knows which shows gets the most hits. I can choose to watch the stuff I like and refuse/skip the stuff that doesn't interest me. Give me (and other consumers/subscribers) the option.
 
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Russ T

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I mean yes I was never suggesting they actually should.

Although they definitely should for loli porn or even borderline porn fuck that shit. (They have yet to supply anything of this nature, at least that I've seen.)
 
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Crash Station

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Poodlestrike said:
That's only really true for specific subgenres tho. For instance, any non-harem Shonen is definitely aimed at a male audience, and it's almost certainly going to have a cast that's >>50% male.
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To be fair, there's more than a few shounen series with a large female periphery demographic that outnumbers the males. Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Black Butler, Blue Exorcist, possibly Seraph of the End, etc. Having a bunch of bishounens will usually do that.

But of course shounen/seinen in general has audiences of all genders and ages in spite of the targeted demographic, and character designs will play a big part in that. Genos for example has a MASSIVE female following. Same with people like Levy in Attack on Titan and any number of characters in other stuff.
 
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Aaronology

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Sealed said:
they look the same IMO
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Nah, in the first dozen or so chapters of the manga and in a lot of the initial artwork Murata definitely drew Saitama (and Genos) a bit younger than they appear now. I've chalked that up to him still getting a feel for the direction the redraw would take.

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hosannainexcelsis

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Russ T said:
Oh, I totally completely agree. Just wanted to say that it's not like the official distributors are powerless. Pirating is easy, but I think pirates are typically a smaller audience than non-pirates.

EDIT: Well, that's actually probably not true at all for anime, is it, haha. FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID.
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Yeah, Crunchyroll certainly could take a moral stand by refusing to license anime containing content it found objectionable, but that would be likely to torpedo their entire business by both souring relationships with Japanese companies, who would find dealing with a Crunchyroll with this policy more trouble than it's worth, and souring their relationship with their paying audience, who often trend towards watching what I find to be trash (e.g., Asterisk War has consistently been at the top of CR's popularity charts since it started airing).

I've seen you say this a lot, and it's not like I don't believe you (the anime you typically point out have a lot of hot dudes... oh yes), but where are you getting your information from? Presumably some Japanese websites I can't understand.
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Not that so much as people on Twitter who have studied the anime market much deeper and for much longer than I have, and people with one foot in the Western anime fanbase and one foot in the Japanese anime fanbase, as well as my observations of marketing, fan events, fan reactions, and the like.

Aaronology said:
Nah, in the first dozen or so chapters of the manga and in a lot of the initial artwork Murata definitely drew Saitama (and Genos) a bit younger than they appear now. I've chalked that up to him still getting a feel for the direction the redraw would take.

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Saitama looks like Aang from Avatar there.
 
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Aaronology said:
Nah, in the first dozen or so chapters of the manga and in a lot of the initial artwork Murata definitely drew Saitama (and Genos) a bit younger than they appear now. I've chalked that up to him still getting a feel for the direction the redraw would take.

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ah I guess the early chapters are like that, haven't seen those in a while

after that though it becomes like you see it in the anime

what's up with saitama's coloring though?
 
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Russ T

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hosannainexcelsis said:
Yeah, Crunchyroll certainly could take a moral stand by refusing to license anime containing content it found objectionable, but that would be likely to torpedo their entire business by both souring relationships with Japanese companies, who would find dealing with a Crunchyroll with this policy more trouble than it's worth, and souring their relationship with their paying audience, who often trend towards watching what I find to be trash (e.g., Asterisk War has consistently been at the top of CR's popularity charts since it started airing).
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CR's popularity charts are consistently super depressing...

Not that so much as people on Twitter who have studied the anime market much deeper and for much longer than I have, and people with one foot in the Western anime fanbase and one foot in the Japanese anime fanbase, as well as my observations of marketing, fan events, fan reactions, and the like.
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Ah fair enough. I'm super interested in what the anime market is actually like (in both markets) so I always appreciate your posts on the topic.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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Aaronology said:
Nah, in the first dozen or so chapters of the manga and in a lot of the initial artwork Murata definitely drew Saitama (and Genos) a bit younger than they appear now. I've chalked that up to him still getting a feel for the direction the redraw would take.
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Damn I completely forgot about this.

Russ T said:
CR's popularity charts are consistently super depressing...
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Still not sure if those featured shows are chosen by a popularity metric (where they show up there because they are the most watched currently) or picked by a staff person
 
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ElFly

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Black-Wind said:
Watching the anime and ... can anyone tell me if anyone ever becomes strong by following his work out advice or is he just special?
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Real but super vague spoilers

Nobody so far has taken him on his word. I assume Licenceless Rider may eventually follow on his steps, but this is only based on him being similar to hair Saitama, not any plot development.

Eventually an explanation for what happened is raised by a character from the beginning of the story. It doesn't really explain anything. It is probably just that Saitama is really determined.
 
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Jintor

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Crocodile said:
It could certainly be better but I wasn't having a problem with it until this thread (I'm only up to date through the Murata version) where people are saying he isn't even Black? Cause if so then that design kind of moves from a bit derpy but otherwise fine to WTF?!-City via the "Really?" Highway with a house on "LOL Japan" Avenue and your personal car parked on "C'mon Son" Boulevard.
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you're the best croc
 
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ElFly

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Tornado is interesting because she is the only one who has the Saitama style face switching from really serious to really silly. Wonder if she is a parallel to Saitama or if they will end up as a couple or what the hell.

This didn't happen in the original manga IIRC, where she was drawn as the silly version all the time, and only started in the Murata redraw.

Also I don't know if ONE cannot draw attractive women or what the hell, but I don't know if Tatsumaki and Fubuki are actually supposed to look pretty or even hot in the case of Fubuki.
 
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ElFly said:
Tornado is interesting because she is the only one who has the Saitama style face switching from really serious to really silly. Wonder if she is a parallel to Saitama or if they will end up as a couple or what the hell.

This didn't happen in the original manga IIRC, where she was drawn as the silly version all the time, and only started in the Murata redraw.

Also I don't know if ONE cannot draw attractive women or what the hell, but I don't know if Tatsumaki and Fubuki are actually supposed to look pretty or even hot in the case of Fubuki.
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i ship Saitama and Tats

or Saitama and Genos
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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ElFly said:
Tornado is interesting because she is the only one who has the Saitama style face switching from really serious to really silly. Wonder if she is a parallel to Saitama or if they will end up as a couple or what the hell.

This didn't happen in the original manga IIRC, where she was drawn as the silly version all the time, and only started in the Murata redraw.

Also I don't know if ONE cannot draw attractive women or what the hell, but I don't know if Tatsumaki and Fubuki are actually supposed to look pretty or even hot in the case of Fubuki.
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The "silly version" is just how ONE draws Tatsumaki all the time, with the hair thats just swirls.

Fubuki is def supposed to be attractive, I just think that may be beyond ONE's abilities lol
 
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Whoa this thread is moving fast. Haven't seen the ep yet, but I'm guessing Tornado and Blizzard must feature heavily
 
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Aaronology

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Zolo said:
Unfortunately, it will never be canon due to Saitama already mentions not being into dudes.
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As if that's going to stop anyone.


Edit: I mean seriously, look at this:

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We even have a jealous Genos in the background. It's like Saitama is slowly forming his own weird sort of harem.

(and I totally approve)
 
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Crocodile

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I will say that while we've been kind of off topic (but still kind of on topic) that even though I don't agree with everyone here on every position, this general conversation has been way more intellectually stimulating than:

"How awesome was this episode"?
"So awesome!"

or if this was a worse show:

"How shitty was this episode"?
"So shitty!"
 
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Emperor_EL

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Came across the music video for "The Hero" while looking for the OVA. Standard JAM Project video, would've been cool if they had some Cosplayers in it. Doesn't seem to be on Youtube yet.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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Crocodile said:
I will say that while we've been kind of off topic (but still kind of on topic) that even though I don't agree with everyone here on every position, this general conversation has been way more intellectually stimulating than:

"How awesome was this episode"?
"So awesome!"

or if this was a worse show:

"How shitty was this episode"?
"So shitty!"
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It was a pretty light episode and even on the massive action heavy ones the discussion hardly revolves around "wow this cut by x animator was amazing!"

Not like thats a huge issue.
 
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ElFly

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MetroidPrimeRib said:
The "silly version" is just how ONE draws Tatsumaki all the time, with the hair thats just swirls.

Fubuki is def supposed to be attractive, I just think that may be beyond ONE's abilities lol
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There is a chance that this was intended in the ONE version but it really wasn't conveyed well. I think the most that Tatsumaki changes is that her eyes become serious, but the dumb hair remains. It also may be that ONE started doing it after the Murata redraw.

I have my doubts about Fubuki. Fubuki doesn't seem to even have eyelashes, or has some really short ones, while other girls in the series and in Mob have them. I think that she may have been intended to have a girly figure, but her face must have been more androgynous, or at least more serious and less super hot girl. Tatsumaki seems to have even less eyelashes than Fubuki in ONE too. Originally Fubuki didn't show up in a fur coat either I think, she is only ever shown on her black coat. Tatsumaki seems to be dressed in the exact same way in Murata, and taken to the logical end in the anime. Although it is possible that in the ONE version, both sisters wear the same clothes that Tatsumaki wears in the Anime, just that they both are less sexy there.

The thing is, Tatsumaki may be supposed to be the prettier one of them both; of course it may be the other way around, and Tatsumaki will end up jealous of Fubuki's figure. Although after catching up on Mob Psycho 100, I doubt this would ever come up.
 
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