Opening Doors (spiritual)

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Personally I believe in opening doors/inviting bad things but that sounds more like sleep paralysis/night terror. Then again maybe that's a bit of a gray area.

I do remember hearing that people tend to have dreams based on the last three hours they're awake, so maybe try watching lighter/not murder-y shows before going to bed.
 
This was when I was still agnostic-ish. One time I was on acid, and I swear my friend turned into the devil. The UV light made her skin look orange-red, and the dark made her eyes look black. I couldn't understand any words either. I was fucking terrified lol. Kept yelling "get away!" and even swung a punch at her if she got too close. I prayed til I finally fell asleep. Woke up the next day realizing how crazy I was. Your mind is just playing tricks on you.
 
Can there ever be a thread on spirituality that isn't shit on for luls? If you don't buy it, don't click the thread?

You all don't flood Christianity ot with "hahaha it's not real luls luls!" It's interesting to take your mind off of trump for a second or two with age old concepts and experiences man believes they've had.

It doesn't make you less of a person to just let folks discuss things you're not into. And outside of temporary kudos from other posters declaring their non belief, what's really gained by you personally? You don't care, it's not real. But you must declare it!

Same way I treat animegaf, and popgaf, you should do the same. Just saying.
 
Nah, but opening space portals to alien worlds is totally legit. Totally.

They're both part of humans understanding rooms as separate spaces and doors as magical separators. And physically, they're both bullshit. Sorry Stargate fans.
But they are a mandatory part of esoterics nonetheless (natural vs supernatural, heaven vs real world, etc). In dreams, human consciousness is obviously not limited by real physics anyway, so the concept can be used directly rather than metaphorical. It's not something that's going to go away with knowledge. It's how our brains appear to work, imo.

What you experienced sounds like a bad combo with lucid dreaming though.
 
You had sleep paralysis and a nightmare.

I don't believe in opening doors, but I've noticed I could trigger SP most of the time by visualizing scary stuff when I'm half asleep, it's weird, it's like if I do that it shock myself into waking up but at the same time still leaving the body asleep.

If you believe in spiritual/ghosts your brain will give the hallucinations context, so you see ghosts if you believe you're being haunted by one, and you'll feel like someone is touching you as well, sometimes it's random because they're basically dreams.
 
commedieu said:
Can there ever be a thread on spirituality that isn't shit on for luls? If you don't buy it, don't click the thread?

You all don't flood Christianity ot with "hahaha it's not real luls luls!" It's interesting to take your mind off of trump for a second or two with age old concepts and experiences man believes they've had.

It doesn't make you less of a person to just let folks discuss things you're not into. And outside of temporary kudos from other posters declaring their non belief, what's really gained by you personally? You don't care, it's not real. But you must declare it!

Same way I treat animegaf, and popgaf, you should do the same. Just saying.
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I think we can have a very powerful thread on spirituality, but of course this depends upon the scope of it. GAF is sorely anti-spirituality in full, but that's likely because it often entails spooky ideas like what this thread is predicated upon. If we're talking seeing through the notion of "me" as a spiritual model, I think we could all benefit from that. But a thread on chakra rocks and Christ consciousness? Girl, bye.

I do not believe wooly thinking should be permitted, as that only fuels the gates of delusion, and we're already a dangerously deluded species. Consider how the OPs belief in X gave him the impression X was real and had a direct impact in his life. This is delusion 101; power of confirmation bias, law of attraction on thoughts and ideas, etc etc.
 
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No, just no. I was raised to believe it would though, same with my wife. It is absolute delusional bullshit.
 
Wait you were watching vids about real life murders and that's not "too macabre"

I feel like that's way worse than horror films or possession films which are all fake. :0

But i don't really believe in opening doors via watching media or listening to media.

Now if you playing with a ouigi board, maybe. Or goung to a "haunted" house, maybe.

But watching fake shit, defitnitely nah. You'll live.
 
What is with people associating ouija boards with evil spirits? Like if anything on earth would open a portal to hell it would be a game board manufactured by Hasbro.
 
Red said:
What is with people associating ouija boards with evil spirits? Like if anything on earth would open a portal to hell it would be a game board manufactured by Hasbro.
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well they don't used to be game boards, but I don't know how it got turned into one lol

edit: oh I guess I got my history wrong

Following its commercial introduction by businessman Elijah Bond on July 1, 1890,[1] the Ouija board was regarded as a parlor game unrelated to the occult until American Spiritualist Pearl Curran popularized its use as a divining tool during World War I.[2] Spiritualists believed that the dead were able to contact the living and reportedly used a talking board very similar to a modern Ouija board at their camps in Ohio in 1886 to ostensibly enable faster communication with spirits.[3]
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Red said:
What is with people associating ouija boards with evil spirits? Like if anything on earth would open a portal to hell it would be a game board manufactured by Hasbro.
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It has more to do with willingly invoking the presence of spirits. Since God doesn't communicate via Ouija board, the only spirits you would be communicating with are evil ones. I don't think it really matters what company makes the board :p

I didn't believe in any of that stuff until a year ago. I was messing with stuff nobody should touch with a 20 foot pole.
 
Dai Kaiju said:
It has more to do with willingly invoking the presence of spirits. Since God doesn't communicate via Ouija bored, the only spirits you would be communicating with are evil ones. I don't think it really matters what company makes the bored :p

I didn't believe in any of that stuff until a year ago. I was messing with stuff nobody should touch with a 20 foot pole.
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How do you know God doesn't or wouldn't communicate via Ouija boards?
 
Dai Kaiju said:
It has more to do with willingly invoking the presence of spirits. Since God doesn't communicate via Ouija board, the only spirits you would be communicating with are evil ones. I don't think it really matters what company makes the board :p

I didn't believe in any of that stuff until a year ago. I was messing with stuff nobody should touch with a 20 foot pole.
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What God is canon, and why is she black?
 
Dai Kaiju said:
It has more to do with willingly invoking the presence of spirits. Since God doesn't communicate via Ouija board, the only spirits you would be communicating with are evil ones. I don't think it really matters what company makes the board :p

I didn't believe in any of that stuff until a year ago. I was messing with stuff nobody should touch with a 20 foot pole.
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If it was that easy to contact otherworldly entities you'd think there'd be some kind of evidence of any kind in any way somewhere in some scientifically verifiable form.

Dai Kaiju said:
I'm not an expert on what He does or doesn't do but most believers would agree anything occult is highly frowned upon by God.
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Ouija boards are not any more occult than Monopoly boards. And Monopoly boards are far more harmful.
 
When someone told me that I shouldn't watch certain movies or whatever, cause of The "opening doors" thing, I thought he meant spirits and ghosts because the person that said that is really spiritual, but he actually meant opening doors to being uncomfortable, for example, when I watch a gore movie I get disgusted to the point that if I think too much about it I will link that thought to something I felt or saw at that time, becoming a "trigger".

Later on that stuff will remind me of the gore and make me uncomfortable, so yes, the "opening doors" is true, but not for what you said op.
 
No, that's not a real thing. At least, not in the sense that you're thinking of it.

I do think that some people (more so when drugs are involved) have the kind of mind that can essentially scare itself. You find yourself focusing on awful images, or scary thoughts, either of real situations or totally fantastical ones (like things involving demons or ghosts or whatever).

But in the end, none of it is real. If horror movies freak you out, that's fine, don't watch them. Plenty of people make that choice, and it need not have anything to do with a spiritual feeling.
 
Dai Kaiju said:
It has more to do with willingly invoking the presence of spirits. Since God doesn't communicate via Ouija board, the only spirits you would be communicating with are evil ones. I don't think it really matters what company makes the board :p

I didn't believe in any of that stuff until a year ago. I was messing with stuff nobody should touch with a 20 foot pole.
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Sex, drugs and rock n roll huh?
 
Not really the same thing but it reminds me of a friend's experience so I'll share it. My friend Jon watched The Ring late at night with the lights out on my recommendation. He didn't find it particularly scary. We're both a bit of horror movie junkies when we were younger.

So, after the movie he goes to bed. The room is dark and is laying there. He opens his mouth and mimics the odd sound the kid makes from The Ring. Within seconds he freaks himself out. He slept with the lights on and didn't get a good sleep at all. I still poke fun about it.
 
What the hell?!
My flavor of choice when it comes to media is "fucked up". I watch/read/listen to macabre stuff on the daily. I haven't been visited by a demon or bad spirit or whatever NOT EVEN ONCE.
I'm angry. Am I not good enough? It's cause I'm black isn't it, demons?
 
pixelation said:
Well yesterday was a bit different, i was watching videos on YT late at night about unsolved murders, and recordings before people died and just that type of thing. Nothing to macabre or nothing. I went to bed and it was 3 am, i fell asleep and woke up unable to move or speak... i mumbled something and fell asleep again... then i woke up again and the same thing happened fell back asleep, then the third time i was asleep laying on my side and i start feeling somebody grabbing my legs... i feel their hands squeeze my legs and knees as they're bent, i move my legs and try to shoo them away but they just kept trying to grab me. I raise from my waist up to try and make them go away and i see a black figure standing there trying to grab me, so i fell back on my bed and started praying to God. I was finally able to go to sleep, now i will think twice before looking up anything remotely sinister.
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How the hell do you wake up to the sensation of someone grabbing you and the image of a dark figure standing over you, and manage to fall back to sleep? To me that just make it sound like you had a vivid dream, no normal person is getting back to sleep if they thought that was actually happening to them.
 
pixelation said:
Thanks for the replies so far, it also doesn't help that my father and aunts used to play with Ouija boards and do seances and what not. My dad used to see ghosts and my aunt used to be attacked by spiritual forces and even once saw a floating goat face with its skin hanging from its face on the corner of her room laughing at her because she was praying to make him go away.
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Is it wrong to want this imagery in a horror movie someday?

Closest to goat creepiness was in Altered States.
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commedieu said:
Can there ever be a thread on spirituality that isn't shit on for luls? If you don't buy it, don't click the thread?

You all don't flood Christianity ot with "hahaha it's not real luls luls!" It's interesting to take your mind off of trump for a second or two with age old concepts and experiences man believes they've had.

It doesn't make you less of a person to just let folks discuss things you're not into. And outside of temporary kudos from other posters declaring their non belief, what's really gained by you personally? You don't care, it's not real. But you must declare it!

Same way I treat animegaf, and popgaf, you should do the same. Just saying.
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I'm not sure what we gain as a community by dropping our filters for bullshit when someone brings up brazen woo as though it's plausible. Magical thinking is profoundly damaging on a personal and societal level. Each and every one of us stands to benefit from keeping our critical faculties sharp enough to apply skepticism when it's called for.

Nice appeal to tradition, by the way, but as you must realize, "age old" concepts and experiences deserve no less scrutiny than modern ones. Veracity doesn't accrue over time.
 
commedieu said:
Can there ever be a thread on spirituality that isn't shit on for luls? If you don't buy it, don't click the thread?

You all don't flood Christianity ot with "hahaha it's not real luls luls!" It's interesting to take your mind off of trump for a second or two with age old concepts and experiences man believes they've had.

It doesn't make you less of a person to just let folks discuss things you're not into. And outside of temporary kudos from other posters declaring their non belief, what's really gained by you personally? You don't care, it's not real. But you must declare it!

Same way I treat animegaf, and popgaf, you should do the same. Just saying.
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Thank you. I know some people like to make jokes which is fine but imagine me walking into a thread about transgender issues and saying "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter", I would probably get perma banned and it would probably be right. If you are just gonna troll and make jokes, why enter the thread at all. OP didn't ask for a debate on such supernatural phenomenon, he asked if some people here have experienced it or not.

It is important that we don't make neogaf like a completely hostile place for people with ideas that are not mainstream liberal, god knows we already live in a bubble. I am saying all this as a bit of skeptic myself.
 
ginger ninja said:
Thank you. I know some people like to make jokes which is fine but imagine me walking into a thread about transgender issues and saying "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter", I would probably get perma banned and it would probably be right. If you are just gonna troll and make jokes, why enter the thread at all. OP didn't ask for a debate on such supernatural phenomenon, he asked if some people here have experienced it or not.

It is important that we don't make neogaf like a completely hostile place for people with ideas that are not mainstream liberal, god knows we already live in a bubble. I am saying all this as a bit of skeptic myself.
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Obviously the key difference is that there are good reasons to view supernaturalism as bunk, while trivializing trans people's identities is a jerk move, and there's no credible scientific basis to be skeptical there.

Making fun of nonsense that some people don't realize is nonsense is actually not the same thing as making fun of valid gender identities that are poorly understood by many.
 
No, OP.

Not to dump on anyones beliefs or anything, but that's just some good old-fashioned christian scaremongering you're buying into.

There's also no such thing as 'being attacked by spiritual forces'. I hope your aunt saw a doctor or psychiatrist for the problems and got the help she needed.
 
commedieu said:
Can there ever be a thread on spirituality that isn't shit on for luls? If you don't buy it, don't click the thread?

You all don't flood Christianity ot with "hahaha it's not real luls luls!" It's interesting to take your mind off of trump for a second or two with age old concepts and experiences man believes they've had.

It doesn't make you less of a person to just let folks discuss things you're not into. And outside of temporary kudos from other posters declaring their non belief, what's really gained by you personally? You don't care, it's not real. But you must declare it!

Same way I treat animegaf, and popgaf, you should do the same. Just saying.
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You're comparing believing in fairytales to anime and pop music. While I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere, it's a ridiculous comparison.

I agree that the internet in general is a mean place, and it sucks. But that's the way things are. On the other hand, I'm glad dumb shit like this is called out.
 
pixelation said:
i was raised a Christian (Baptist) and i do believe in "opening doors" hence why i try and not watch too many horror movies or possession related stuff. I have had sleep paralysis episodes before but...
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What's more likely...

That demon spirits and malevolent forces are real but are patiently and politely waiting by for you to first to watch a scary movie before they begin haunting and giving you nightmares?

OR

That after seeing a horror film or whatever, you have elements of it that you found disturbing or unsettling still circling through your mind as you fall asleep, which in turn naturally has an effect on your dreams.



The mind is really a crazy thing. I also use to have something similar to "sleep paralysis" episodes, but have been an atheist for a while and never attributed anything supernatural to them. If I fell asleep on the couch watching TV I could swear that I was waking up, not able to move, able to recognize I was in the same environment with the same thing playing on the TV that I had on, and struggle to wake myself up and move a limb. Eventually I would try to stop struggling and fall back to sleep and then wake myself up. I believed that I was really waking up and unable to move and it was a terrifying feeling and the more I thought and freaked myself out about it, the more it would happen. Eventually something dawned on me and it was how sometimes when trying to wake myself out of these and move a limb, I would kind of wildly flail my arm and knock over a drink I had next to me. It happened enough times that I started to remember it after I fully woke myself up only to realize my drink had no spilled or I had no drink at all sometimes. That's when it clicked that I was dreaming the entire thing. The whole sleep paralysis episode I described above was all just a weirdly specific nightmare that got repeated the more and more I stressed myself out and worried about them happening. I essentially did it to myself and once I figured out I wasn't really having a sleep paralysis episode, the nightmares I was having stopped almost entirely.

Your basically causing a pattern to perpetuate itself just by expecting a specific thing to happen if you watch something scary, and then thinking about and dreading "opening a door" as you put it. It's only natural that your mind takes what you are stressed or concerned about manifests them in all sorts of ways while you drift off to sleep.

I feel like it helps to try and debunk the supernatural in situations like this by trying to follow the internal logic of it all. I don't believe a supernatural realm exists personally, so when I hear a story like yours all I can picture is these malevolent spirits, checking their watches, having to follow a rulebook and wait around until you "open a door". Or what did the spirits do before there was video to show you disturbing images? Did stories count too? Would they not now since you wouldn't find reading or hearing a scary tale as viscerally unsettling as sound and video and movies? I feel like deconstructing something like that is a good way to strip it of its power.
 
I definitely think there's something to exposing yourself to things that don't agree with you but they're only as powerful as you make them. If you watch a horror movie and think 'I shouldn't be watching this, it's not good for me' then any time you're exposed to that content it'll get to you.

Reduce the value of things in your own mind and they'll roll right off you. They have no power against rationality.
 
Until science better understands consciousness and things that deal with spirituality, which is very much in touch with our consciousness, it will be impossible to explain in a physically factual, fact based manner.

You can point out certain sections of the brain that become active during certain spiritual experiences we have like near death experiences, but all that does is explain what happens on a physical level in the brain which allows us to replicate those experiences by mimicing those electrical signals in those same areas of the brain.

The natural secretion of DMT during then and all that is understood on a functional level. Its a evolutionary coping mechanism with death. We know how all this happens. We just dont fully understand why. The whole evolutionary coping mechanism is a cop out.

Point is. We dont know shit about consciousness on a quantum level. But we do know that having a healthy mind can manifest itself physically. The opposite is also true.

So even if demons and spirit shit only exists in the "mind", its our mind that creates our reality. So if these spirits can physically harm us then how can we deny their existence? Brushing it off as a mental illness seems like just another effort to ignore a serious issue and just label it as crazy since we are too affraid to face something we cant explain.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
Until science better understands consciousness and things that deal with spirituality, which is very much in touch with our consciousness, it will be impossible to explain in a physically factual, fact based manner.

You can point out certain sections of the brain that become active during certain spiritual experiences we have like near death experiences, but all that does is explain what happens on a physical level in the brain which allows us to replicate those experiences by mimicing those electrical signals in those same areas of the brain.

The natural secretion of DMT during then and all that is understood on a functional level. Its a evolutionary coping mechanism with death. We know how all this happens. We just dont fully understand why. The whole evolutionary coping mechanism is a cop out.

Point is. We dont know shit about consciousness on a quantum level. But we do know that having a healthy mind can manifest itself physically. The opposite is also true.

So even if demons and spirit shit only exists in the "mind", its our mind that creates our reality. So if these spirits can physically harm us then how can we deny their existence? Brushing it off as a mental illness seems like just another effort to ignore a serious issue and just label it as crazy since we are too affraid to face something we cant explain.
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"Our consciousness on a quantum level"
"DMT"

Please no. Also we know why having a healthy mind is tied with having a healthy body. It's because those two things are, well, tied to each other. Your brain controls your hormones and other bodily functions.
 
OP, I think you probably scared yourself is all.

Hilbert said:
I spend every moment of my life trying to find more fucked up horror entertainment then before. The novels I have read would shake you to your core.

I am still a good moral person, raising two great kids. If there were any truth to this, I would be crawling with demons.
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Th kids r th demoons.
 
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