Opening Up America Again

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i got a bad feeling about this

this some shoot for a 3 pointer blindfolded situation

i don't think people wanna go out without a 100% guarantee that things are gonna be fine

it makes sense for them to keep preaching "stay at home" until we're absolutely certain there's close to 0% chance of infection

this bitch started in tiny wuhan and busted nuts over the whole globe

now we're pretending we're gonna handle it and send people out "chuck and pray" style and cross our fingers?

shiii
 
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I think the guidelines are good. They set the tone that the new default mode should be constantly monitoring the situation and working towards reopening where possible rather than this vague state of "shit, lock everything down!" while still leaving it up to individual governors to make decisions for their states and their own unique situations.
 
Just be careful and judge each state on its own situation.

The US is a few weeks behind the UK and we're getting battered by the virus. Daily fatalities are still extremely high, but new cases are starting to decline as the effects of the lockdown kick in. The problem is that even relaxing the lockdown for a couple of weeks could see another surge in new cases.

From my perspective I don't think the US are close to flattening the curve. Lockdown is the time to prepare the hospitals until things start to relax. Some suggestions here that social distancing will have to continue until a vaccine is found.

I don't envy any government around the world right now. There will be large fatalities whether it's from the virus, a lack of facilities to cope with non-virus issues such as heart attacks, or from an economic crisis.

Probably the most important thing right now is to be able to identify those who have had it and recovered. The majority won't get too ill (if at all), and can then carry on as normal.

Stay safe my American cousins.
 
Reopening? Pff hahahahah why? The infection rate hasnt even peaked yet. NYC is still a massive shitshow, in WestChester County 1 in 44 people are infected. As far as I know that's the highest concentration of infections in the world (correct me if I'm wrong). Today Illinois posted its highest amount of deaths in one day. Infection rates are rising in California.

In fact, instead of listing off every single state it is much easier to say "the vast majority of states have not seen a downward trend in infection rates yet". And yet....they want to start "opening up" America again? Whaf kind of boneheaded decision is this? I agree with triplestation triplestation here, this is playing with fire. I truly hope it works out for you guys down there but it's hard to see that happening.
 
yeah thats whats most eyebrow raising, is that infections are increasing and they're talking about let's reopen society

how about reopen your sanity

GOT EMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 
NY and NJ aren't opening. This is really on a state by state basis and Trump can swoop in and force closures if the states are screwing up.

Is it really fair that some city in Oregon that hasn't had cases for 3 weeks has to stay closed because of Brooklyn? The US is a huge country geographically. I am Canadian and if BC had 0 cases for a few weeks I wouldn't want to hold them hostage because we still have cases in Quebec.

The hitch here is that you could have shitty governors that will abuse this either way. Some might just try to go to early, give special treatment, or have a slow response time to a potential outbreak. You could also have those who will keep people locked up and violate more of their civil liberties. And due to politicization this is going to become a tough task to crack down on any states that are fucking up in either direction.

But this plan is worth it to see REEEEtards shitting their pants thinking their gobernmnt cheques are going to stop and they might have to actually leave their mothers basement.
 
Karma Jawa said:
Just be careful and judge each state on its own situation.

The US is a few weeks behind the UK and we're getting battered by the virus. Daily fatalities are still extremely high, but new cases are starting to decline as the effects of the lockdown kick in. The problem is that even relaxing the lockdown for a couple of weeks could see another surge in new cases.

From my perspective I don't think the US are close to flattening the curve. Lockdown is the time to prepare the hospitals until things start to relax. Some suggestions here that social distancing will have to continue until a vaccine is found.

I don't envy any government around the world right now. There will be large fatalities whether it's from the virus, a lack of facilities to cope with non-virus issues such as heart attacks, or from an economic crisis.

Probably the most important thing right now is to be able to identify those who have had it and recovered. The majority won't get too ill (if at all), and can then carry on as normal.

Stay safe my American cousins.
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This lockdown has given us ample time to get the necessary PPE and equipment and set up supply lines. Even under that initial chaos, we saw very little overwhelming of our healthcare system, and it's unlikely we'll see spikes as big as the initial one going forward. We'll just be better prepared to deal with infections as they come and people will be more aware and ready to practice social distancing and wear masks.

Flattening the curve can't be the goal forever.
 
Well, hopefully this placates the zombie hordes protesting the lockdowns.

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Zefah said:
This lockdown has given us ample time to get the necessary PPE and equipment and set up supply lines. Even under that initial chaos, we saw very little overwhelming of our healthcare system, and it's unlikely we'll see spikes as big as the initial one going forward. We'll just be better prepared to deal with infections as they come and people will be more aware and ready to practice social distancing and wear masks.

Flattening the curve can't be the goal forever.
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That's the big difference between the US and the UK. We didn't pay attention to the early warnings from Italy, then Spain, then France. Most of the public could see it coming. I was self-isolating a week before lockdown (though largely because I had a persistent bad cough).

A lot of people will die regardless of the actions taken. All we can do is test for those who have already had it, and try to ensure that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. If the latter happens there will be a rapid rise in non-virus related deaths.
 
What I hope we are able to avoid is going back and forth between opening up and locking down. It's almost certain that opening up will increase the spread and if they decide to turn around and lock back down over and over its only going to be more of a shitshow than it already is.
 
Careful with headline reading - it's specifically set up for it to be on a state-by-state basis based on how that state is doing with the virus, they aren't just opening the floodgates in one fell swoop. Even further, it's a step-up approach to reopening, slowly but surely. I think it's a good approach and realistic.
 
Re-opening your country will take a longer time than you think, no matter how things starts to get good again, do not get hasty.
 
Phunkydiabetic said:
Reopening? Pff hahahahah why? The infection rate hasnt even peaked yet. NYC is still a massive shitshow, in WestChester County 1 in 44 people are infected. As far as I know that's the highest concentration of infections in the world (correct me if I'm wrong). Today Illinois posted its highest amount of deaths in one day. Infection rates are rising in California.

In fact, instead of listing off every single state it is much easier to say "the vast majority of states have not seen a downward trend in infection rates yet". And yet....they want to start "opening up" America again? Whaf kind of boneheaded decision is this? I agree with triplestation triplestation here, this is playing with fire. I truly hope it works out for you guys down there but it's hard to see that happening.
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You should spend some time watching the White House briefing, specifically Dr. Birx and Faici's explanation. It addressed your concerns, about 15 mins in length and timestamped at about the 25 min mark:




I flipped to CNN and MSNBC right after it ended and, as usual, they were trying to find creative ways to put a negative spin on it ("no firm timeline" :pie_eyeroll:), so I'm sure every other liberal outlet is doing the same. CTV, CBC and even French networks in Quebec usually parrot the talking points from liberal US media so I'm sure they're doing the same with this story.

Quebec's in a similar situation as NY, relatively speaking, and we already had the target date pushed back a few days to May 4th which I suspect may get pushed back again to a date more in line with our southern neighbor (May 15), but our premier has already floated the idea of re-opening schools before that date. Trudeau's going to have to bite the bullet and figure out how he's going to present his plan to the country soon. He's been following in Trump's footsteps throughout this process, sometimes flip flopping to do it (travel restrictions), and he'll likely do the same here.
 
If you guys open to soon lmao good luck with that. This is why I hope Justin keeps the boarder locked down as long as he can honestly.
 
People need to get to work to produce the things that people are waiting in long lines to get.

We know where the heaviest-hit areas are located. Let's get back to work so that we can share the burden of the cities and states whose economies can't open back up as easily. We can proceed cautiously, testing more and more citizens as we go, keeping our distance in social situations as we head into summer. They're already fearmongering about the "second wave".
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
They're already fearmongering about the "second wave".
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I noticed that, too. North of the border the national CTV News broadcast at 11pm and local Montreal broadcast 30 mins later both seemed to clumsily shoehorn "second wave" into stories like it was forced onto them at gunpoint a minute before the shows were to air.
 
It should open up once they are ready to do what South Korea did. Mass test and put in quarantine while the rest of society carries on as usual.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
People need to get to work to produce the things that people are waiting in long lines to get.

We know where the heaviest-hit areas are located. Let's get back to work so that we can share the burden of the cities and states whose economies can't open back up as easily. We can proceed cautiously, testing more and more citizens as we go, keeping our distance in social situations as we head into summer. They're already fearmongering about the "second wave".
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Pfffff Ninja plz.. I'm already on that 3rd wave lyfe. Just like the feminines.
 
We're a few steps away from trample the weak and hurdle the dead. Breakdown of civilization is next. With all these people out of work? Descent to madness.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
We know where the heaviest-hit areas are located. Let's get back to work so that we can share the burden of the cities and states whose economies can't open back up as easily. We can proceed cautiously, testing more and more citizens as we go, keeping our distance in social situations as we head into summer. They're already fearmongering about the "second wave".
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I think that's basically the plan White House presented at the briefing today
 
The highest infection count and the highest death count, and one of the steepest curves, on Earth. Compare America's curve to my country, Australia's. And we're not planning to even review our lockdown for another four weeks at a minimum. Opening "low impacted areas" will just turn them into "high impacted areas" until a vaccine can prevent the spread. Opening the US will literally kill tens of thousands, and infect millions. The health care system is going to collapse, and civil services are going to start to crumble. America is going to be feeling the effects for generations.
 
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ZehDon said:
The highest infection count and the highest death count, and one of the steepest curves, on Earth. Compare America's curve to my country, Australia's. And we're not planning to even review our lockdown for another four weeks at a minimum. Opening "low impacted areas" will just turn them into "high impacted areas" until a vaccine can prevent the spread. Opening the US will literally kill tens of thousands, and infect millions. The health care system is going to collapse, and civil services are going to start to crumble. America is going to be feeling the effects for generations.
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You should submit that to CNN for publication
 
ZehDon said:
The highest infection count and the highest death count, and one of the steepest curves, on Earth. Compare America's curve to my country, Australia's. And we're not planning to even review our lockdown for another four weeks at a minimum. Opening "low impacted areas" will just turn them into "high impacted areas" until a vaccine can prevent the spread. Opening the US will literally kill tens of thousands, and infect millions. The health care system is going to collapse, and civil services are going to start to crumble. America is going to be feeling the effects for generations.
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There's a lot more at stake if the American economy collapses than if Australia's.
 
ZehDon said:
The highest infection count and the highest death count, and one of the steepest curves, on Earth. Compare America's curve to my country, Australia's. And we're not planning to even review our lockdown for another four weeks at a minimum. Opening "low impacted areas" will just turn them into "high impacted areas" until a vaccine can prevent the spread. Opening the US will literally kill tens of thousands, and infect millions. The health care system is going to collapse, and civil services are going to start to crumble. America is going to be feeling the effects for generations.
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No one's going to cry if Foster's Beer isn't available in stores for another 4-8 weeks.
 
pramod said:
There's a lot more at stake if the American economy collapses than if Australia's.
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Cool. They just handed a trillion dollars out to corporations, no questions asked. Was that not the purpose of that money? To bail them out while they keep people at home to save lives?
If that's not the purpose of that bailout, ok how many lives should they spend? They're at just shy of 35,000 deaths and counting. How many Americans is it worth to make sure Disney Cruiselines can continue to operate, while not paying any US Taxes? How many Americans is it worth to make sure Apple can continue to offshore its profits, robbing the US economy of billions in additional revenue.

What a fucking terrible opinion.
 
TheStruggler said:
If you guys open to soon lmao good luck with that. This is why I hope Justin keeps the boarder locked down as long as he can honestly.
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It's just a BS Trump plan. The governors decide when and how they open, nobody else. NY and California have already said they will wait many more weeks before starting to open again.
 
mcz117chief said:
Lol, we have started opening up a week ago and by the end of the month almost everything will be back to normal here.
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Where do you live?

I think America will be an interesting case study for the rest of the world because they are doing this while they don't have the virus under control.

I genuinely hope it goes well and doesn't result in a massive uptick in infections and deaths, that way the rest of the world can start coming out of this shit since the numbers will be what they are regardless. Unlikely though.
 
Stay safe US. You are truly in between a rock and a hard place. The virus must be contained and lives must be saved, but if the economy tanks then it will most likely destroy the entire country, creating an even bigger shit sandwich. Godspeed.
 
cryptoadam said:
NY and NJ aren't opening. This is really on a state by state basis and Trump can swoop in and force closures if the states are screwing up.

Is it really fair that some city in Oregon that hasn't had cases for 3 weeks has to stay closed because of Brooklyn? The US is a huge country geographically. I am Canadian and if BC had 0 cases for a few weeks I wouldn't want to hold them hostage because we still have cases in Quebec.

The hitch here is that you could have shitty governors that will abuse this either way. Some might just try to go to early, give special treatment, or have a slow response time to a potential outbreak. You could also have those who will keep people locked up and violate more of their civil liberties. And due to politicization this is going to become a tough task to crack down on any states that are fucking up in either direction.

But this plan is worth it to see REEEEtards shitting their pants thinking their gobernmnt cheques are going to stop and they might have to actually leave their mothers basement.
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Don't you know the high horses in NYC know what is best for the rest of the country?
 
Harry Tung said:
Stay safe US. You are truly in between a rock and a hard place. The virus must be contained and lives must be saved, but if the economy tanks then it will most likely destroy the entire country, creating an even bigger shit sandwich. Godspeed.
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Problem is that there is also the chance people will die, and the economy will suffer as a consequence. Sick workforce isn't productive.
 
A look at the numbers. Italy had its peak of new daily infections on the 21st of March, over 6k. Since then, their daily infections have gone down to 3.500 to 4.000 a day (a 50 % decrease in a month). The deaths have almost quintupled from 4.800 to 22.200. While staying under harsh restrictions. And they are still reporting 500+ deaths per day, by the end of it they will probably be at over 35.000 deaths. More than seven times than at the peak.

The US may have had their peak of new infections on the 10th of April at 35k. They reported 18.544 deaths on that day. If the country was kept shut down one would assume a similar trend as in Italy, this would lead to 85.000 deaths by the 10th of May. And around 130.000 by the end of it if everything was kept shut down. Now add the effect of opening up prematurely. It's a nightmare.

Realistically, Italy will end the pandemic in late June going by the rate of infections. And that's a best case scenario. Things can always turn around. Look at Spain. Just yesterday they had the most new cases since two weeks ago. For the last three days the numbers of new cases were 2.400/5.100/7.300. Back to exponential growth it would seem. They started opening up just this week for some workers - and now they are facing uncertainty (not because of opening, it's too early to see that effect). It's much worse for the economy to constantly shut down and recover, than it is to have one sustained shutdown after which you can go back to relatively normal. Some countries realize that, others don't. Sadly, they will learn the reality.
 
Shit man, I'm from London UK but the best thing I think anybody could do, no matter when things open back up is to just be sensible yourself. And convince those you personally know to do the same. Lead by example. Continue to use social distancing, wash your hands, wear a mask when you think it is worth it. People are going to continue to catch this and there will be those who are ignorant and therefore dangerous, spreading this around. Most of the time you won't know who these people are and who they could have infected. So that is why I think it is best to have a rigid plan for things you are and are not willing to do for at least the rest of this year. We mostly all have close ones that we want to protect so I think this is essential.

Gotta be honest and say it's those who have social leaning jobs that I feel for. And those who also need to use public transport. I'm fairly lucky that I am self employed and work on my own, drive and never use public transport etc.
 
The concern is that a lot of people will die, but we have enough evidence to suggest that many people have already caught it and gotten over it (~80% asymptomatic). If the USA opens, gets back to work cautiously, and then everything is fine, it's gonna make a lot of people wonder why the shutdown lasted so long.

I'm not claiming the lockdown was or wasn't necessary. I'm just pointing out that'll be the response if things reopen successfully without a surge of deaths. Hospitals seem to be well supplied and prepared other than a few of the dense megacities.

The stuff I'm seeing reported now pertains to bread lines 100s of cars long, more delays and more furloughs, and people running out of food because the stores aren't even open anymore.
 
mcz117chief said:
You know you can just hover your mouse over other people's profiles to see where they are from, don't you?
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I'm on mobile and profiles don't always have a location on them nor are they always up to date.

It would have been less effort for you to simply say where you're from than to say that...

Jeeze...
 
GHG said:
I'm on mobile and profiles don't always have a location on them nor are they always up to date.

It would have been less effort for you to simply say where you're from than to say that...

Jeeze...
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It would have taken you less time to look as well, it goes both ways you know.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
People need to get to work to produce the things that people are waiting in long lines to get.

We know where the heaviest-hit areas are located. Let's get back to work so that we can share the burden of the cities and states whose economies can't open back up as easily. We can proceed cautiously, testing more and more citizens as we go, keeping our distance in social situations as we head into summer. They're already fearmongering about the "second wave".
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No! We must all stay home and the food as well as all essential goods will magically produce, distribute, ship, and sell themselves to my home! /s

Bunch of shortsighted selfish retards, I swear.
 
The aim should be to open the country back up that goal should always be kept in the foreground. Anytime it's mentioned or even hinted at though the media engages in fear mongering which is troubling to me.

Too many people now are getting comfortable sitting on their ass collecting unemployment, looking forward to the next stimulus check, living in fear, waiting for the next directive from the government...it's a poisonous mentality that if left unchecked will have disastrous consequences on the collective psyche of the country.

I don't know about others but I'm much more afraid of becoming a slave to the government than I am of catching a virus and dying. I myself am collecting unemployment but it's not a good feeling claiming every week, I feel like a bum. I want to work and do for self. I honestly don't know how people do this for years and feel comfortable.
 
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