_illmatic_
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C'mon man, there's always a boogey man in the closet that Floyd ducked lol
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Oscar De la Hoya's Letter to Floyd Mayweather
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C'mon man, there's always a boogey man in the closet that Floyd ducked lol
They build up these guys to beat Floyd...then loses and they become "insta-bums".
He's scared of shane
He's ducking cotto
He'll never step in the ring with Canelo
Scared of Pac
He beats them
Shane was old
Cotto was shot
Canelo too green
Pac not prime
Repeat ad nauseum
BadAss2961
Member
The Gatti dismantling was brutal. Funny thing about that fight is I think it was the one where Floyd cried like a baby after the win. Like dude, wtf, you were killing this guy. lol
Professor Beef
Banned
"His fights were boring"
he's fighting to fucking win the match, not win a popularity contest, you dumbasses
he's fighting to fucking win the match, not win a popularity contest, you dumbasses
Chocolate Thunder
Banned
"lol idc, Floyd won't be able to read that I don't know what I'm talking about hurdur."
Official scorecards gave Tim Bradley the first match over Manny - Shady shit happens.
Almost everyone in the sport called Castillo vs Mayweather (1) a Castillo win.
it was a close fight. let's not get carried with the whole Castillo got robbed BS
He was robbed.
However, I still don't subscribe to the idea that Floyd is a boring fighter. He's had some great fights, and as far as natural ability & talent go, shits over ODLH from a great height. A real artist of the sport, without doubt.
His work rate is subpar and he can't get a pop from the fans. Vince would have buried him!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Eh, Floyd was good defensive specialist. His record says it all for good or bad.
MWS Natural
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Oscar is so salty but this line definitely hit home.
Dougieflesh
Member
Queen Oscar needs to chill with all the sodium. Floyd beat him in a close fight and he's been a bitter drag ever since.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Teknopathetic
Member
While DLH's rigged ass decision over Sturm is the moment I checked out of boxing, he's right. Mayweather's lame fights haven't exactly rekindled my interest.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I agree with a lot of what he said. Floyd is one of the all time greats, hes the greatest defensive fighter, he will have a legacy ect. Also that the sport will be better without him. I swear most people just tuned into his fights to watch him lose but it never happened. It was making people lose faith in the sport. "Why wont this guy I hate lose?.. boxing sucks" Now we need another Tyson to restore the balance.
Locke Lamora
Member
He must've forgotten how he won the title in the first place.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
what a hater god damn!
theignoramus
Member
I dont think its fair to accuse Floyd of never taking risks. Marquez and prime Zab Judah for example, were fucking formidable opponents.
And I doubt any boxing fan will forget his fights with those men anytime soon.
And I doubt any boxing fan will forget his fights with those men anytime soon.
Really?
We've already forgotten how he won his first title by knockout against then No. 1 Hernandez? How he humiliated Corrales, who he vowed to beat for "all the battered women in America"? (lmao) I haven't forgotten his prophetic claim that he would punish Gatti because the thunder god only made noise whereas his lightning would strike. How about when he dismantled Judah before and after the nut shot (a fight during which Roger Mayweather stormed the canvas, which latter got him suspended)? The then record breaking super fight against De La Hoya? Who could possibly forget how knocked out an undefeated Ricky Hatton?
The boxing clinic he set up for Marquez after returning from a 2 year hiatus that generated so many gifs and proved he undeniably still had it? What about that time Mosley rocked him so hard his knees buckled and he could've gotten knocked out if Mosley had pressed the advantage successfully but instead composed himself and continued to pick him apart? Or what about the controversial knock out against Ortiz after the headbutt which many considered a dirty move? The Cotto fight was perhaps one of his most impressive fights considering Cotto was so obviously stronger yet he took him head on when felt comfortable and nearly knocked him out by the end of the fight. The way he utterly schooled Alvarez with impressive speed despite his age and the younger challenger's obvious benefits of youth, strength and stamina wasn't boring in the slightest to me either considering how hilariously disappointed so many were after the young Great Mexican Hope was propped up as The One to Take Down Mayweather after having received De La Hoya's coveted "blueprint." As for Maidana, he was a dirty fighter (biting, kneeing, etc.) so you can't tell me those fights weren't interesting, especially considering Maidana was the first in years to catch Floyd off guard and counter his right hand lead. I don't think we actually need to talk much about the Pacquiao fight because it just proved Mayweather was the better fighter, something most of us should've known already.
See, aside from the baffling lack of consideration for the full equation that goes into a boxing fight, I am always left wondering what the fuck it is supposed boxing fans expected from Mayweather? Every big name fight Mayweather fought had memorable moments that make them stand out.
Ain't no denying he had some fights that were boring (like his last fight with Berto), but if you take a good look at his career, it becomes so obvious that Mayweather - who may be considered a "boring fighter" - didn't actually have boring fights, and it stands to reason his PPV numbers back that assertion up considering he kept drawing bigger and bigger numbers each time.
perineumlick
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Floyd will definitely be remembered, and he won't be appreciated until well after he's done. I can appreciate a well skilled fighter, who's defensive and offensive skills are exemplary, and Floyd was one of the best in that category. I'm sure there are plenty who feel the same way I do; not every fighter has to have a take no prisoners style. I can enjoy a 12 round boxing clinic just as much as a 4 round slugfest; it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Ninja Scooter
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It hits even harder when you consider that for all his popularity, Oscars probably 4 or 5 most memorable fights are all losses.
nah
BadAss2961
Member
That was a bogus ass decision. I remember that fight being the tune up for Hopkins, who looked nervous as hell thinking Oscar just blew their fight.
Yup. It ain't no wonder Oscar's that salty. He took risks, sure, but hardly any paid off. Mayweather took risks and got paid big for each of them.
Dudley trashes your list and you disrespect him by putting balrog up there.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Sounds like an informed opinion to me.
You mean that when I watch boxing I am bored? Yes, very informed.
Hands of Stone
Member
I just wished he had kept up his offense as he stepped up in weights. I can understand why he didn't (didn't want to give any chances to opponents) but I feel he was already so far ahead in class that it wouldn't have mattered much.
Whitaker is still the king of defense for me for that reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSxUeLyLMo
Here's the first fight of the (imo) most action packed trilogy in all of boxing history (The 4th fight was a farce and a bit sad.)
Whitaker is still the king of defense for me for that reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSxUeLyLMo
Here's the first fight of the (imo) most action packed trilogy in all of boxing history (The 4th fight was a farce and a bit sad.)
Hands of Stone
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EDIT-double
Ninja Scooter
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You mean when you watch boxing even though you "do not even watch boxing"?
lmao
Chocolate Thunder
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Haha, you sound pretty dumb. Similar to ODH and the rest of the mindless people in this thread spouting nonsense. Good show.
theignoramus
Member
I was never bored by Floyd's technique. Theres been a few times where I wish he would try to go for the KO rather than a win by decision when its clear he has the upper hand, but his defensive technique is incredible to watch.
That Cotto finish was so disappointing. Like, you obviously don't want these fighters to get too badly injured, but Mayweather had him on jelly legs in those final minutes. If he had finished off the much stronger Cotto with a knockout, I think that would've significantly impacted the perception of him as fighter in his later years.
perineumlick
Member
Lol, what kind of brain dead opinion was that? Yet another trying to be witty yet doesn't have a clue as to what they are talking about. Stick to wrasslin'.
He is the best defensive fighter of his generation but that's it. I like his boxing skills but all this parading around 49-0 stuff don't mean jack. Marciano did it with an offensive style, and he knocked people out. I think that means more. Ricardo Lopez went 51-0, and retired. I like Floyd as a boxer, I don't find him boring either like most because I can enjoy both offensive and defensive technical styles but him being top 5 or even 10 atg is hyperbole.
He did duck a lot of top opposition. Waited for mosley to get old, pacquiao, cotto etc. Made marquez jump up 2 weight classes. A lot of his fights he had the advantage. Fighting in vegas only, making maidana change gloves to negate his power. Picking refs and judges. Don't know man, his skill is top notch but if he had tested them he could have been top 5 for me but for now in my opinion no, maybe top 20, gotta research his fights again and see in a few years.
He did duck a lot of top opposition. Waited for mosley to get old, pacquiao, cotto etc. Made marquez jump up 2 weight classes. A lot of his fights he had the advantage. Fighting in vegas only, making maidana change gloves to negate his power. Picking refs and judges. Don't know man, his skill is top notch but if he had tested them he could have been top 5 for me but for now in my opinion no, maybe top 20, gotta research his fights again and see in a few years.
Chocolate Thunder
Banned
/sigh, another clown to add to the "Don't know wtf they are talking about." list.
Good arguement, I have now changed my stance. =/
Namecalling doesn't really add to the debate unless you're delusional. Show me how "I don't know what I'm talking about" before I can take you seriously bruh.
And who are you keeping this list wierd list for, Mayweather?
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Their idea of entertainment is Mayweather getting knocked out trying ot be a puncher when he's not a puncher and his hands get injured. 80 percent of it is just personal investment in a boxers success or in Mayweathers case failure. Many don't want to admit it but if Mayweather was in a slugfest and won that would hurt their soulburns even more because they really just want him to lose. We all know this is just as big a part of entertainment as appreciating the entertainment. For example the movie (comic books), politics, tv and game threads, theres a fanboy for everything.
DLH isn't slick his promotions next fight is coming up Cotto and ...whoever , if he wanted any of that trash talk to hold water he would've beat Mayweather up when they fought. However in this case we already know all his talk cannot be backed up.
Anyone who is just looking at the fighters in the ring can quickly tell mayweather is a level above everyone he's been in the ring with, he got older just like the people he was supposedly "dodging" and then we see they have no plan besides "shut his face" when the actual fight happens. Most of them end up punch drunk from that straight right after a few rounds of getting picked apart.
Jest Chillin
Member
At this point, you're just claiming that anyone who has a different opinion of Mayweather than yours doesn't know what they're talking about. That's a pretty awful approach to any discussion.
I still say DLH more mentally quit than being really hurt. 5-6 rounds and he'd seen enough to know he wasn't gonna get the W and saw his chance to stay down.
*Puts on tin foil hat*
I've long suspected that fight was fixed.
Chocolate Thunder
Banned
I have posted reasoning above, its just no matter what people say there will still be people like you who say stuff without knowing what they are talking about. Several people myself included have posted info as to why ODH and your kind are delusional. Go read the topic instead of posting idiocy.
I am keeping the list for myself so I know whose posts I can write off since they are showing they dont know what they're talking about.
Not true, go through the thread. I am only claiming such to those who are posting the same regurgitated crap that isn't true. The same people talking about ducking and boring forever etc. It's silly.
I said show me how I don't know what I'm talking and your response is "You don't know what you're talking about". And repeating that ad nauseum to convince your deluded mind that I don't know what I'm talking about. Laughable.
Nothing in your previous passive aggressive posts had any substance.
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Chocolate Thunder
Banned
Today, 08:00 PM
Welp =/
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