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Ha! I have a chihuahua too, definitely won't let that little fucker around kids. He's like a super grumpy tiny old man, grawls and barks at dogs and kids playing and having fun. He even barks whenever he hears babies on TV.

Small dogs are the snappiest fucks about. I have a Lhasa Apso. He barks at everything, he tries to attack everything. Little crazy shit.

I have to keep him away from other dogs in the park. Was never like this with my Labrador. He just refuses to learn.

Little cunt.

Wouldn't change him for the world.

 

[Rur0ni]

Mumei making great contributions.

 

[suzu]

Leash laws? Eh, sure, as long as there's dog parks out there where they don't apply. Some dogs NEED to run. Heavy fines for people that leave their shit is definitely something I'm in favour of, though.

Mandatory neutering though? Fucking hell. Why don't we just castrate men as we're more likely to murder than females?

Obviously dog parks would stay off leash.

I'm not going to bother arguing the benefits of neutering and spaying (google it!). lol

 

[The Beard]

Leash laws? Eh, sure, as long as there's dog parks out there where they don't apply. Some dogs NEED to run. Heavy fines for people that leave their shit is definitely something I'm in favour of, though.

Mandatory neutering though? Fucking hell. Why don't we just castrate men as we're more likely to murder than females?

Oh god. Really?

 

[888]

Oh god. Really?

I think he may have said that sarcastically.. Maybe?

I don't think this thread needs any more comparisons

 

[Tenebrous]

I think he may have said that sarcastically.. Maybe?

I don't think this thread needs any more comparisons

Of course it was said sarcastically. I would very much like to keep my testicles, and so would my dog, haha.

 

[The Beard]

Of course it was said sarcastically. I would very much like to keep my testicles, and so would my dog, haha.

It wasn't necessarily just the ridiculous comparison, it's the fact that you think your dog needs his balls. Neutered dogs are much less aggressive. There's no legitimate reason not to neuter your personal pets.

Not to mention all the shelters that are constantly jam packed with unwanted animals, not spaying/neutering your pets is very irresponsible.

 

[entremet]

Surprised the thread title hasn't been updated to reflect the assault.

 

[888]

It wasn't necessarily just the ridiculous comparison, it's the fact that you think your dog needs his balls. Neutered dogs are much less aggressive. There's no legitimate reason not to neuter your personal pets.

Not to mention all the shelters that are constantly jam packed with unwanted animals, not spaying/neutering your pets is very irresponsible.

I adopted my cousins boxer mix after he suddenly passed away a few years ago. First male dog I owned in over a decade. He was a 7 year old male that was not neutered. He was always a bit hyper but never aggressive. We had him neutered a little while back just in case. Plus he was I think having wet dreams or something cause we kept finding his stuff all around the house. It was nasty.

He is still hyper and can be a bit pushy for attention but it was worth it to just have it done.

 

[Tenebrous]

It wasn't necessarily just the ridiculous comparison, it's the fact that you think your dog needs his balls. Neutered dogs are much less aggressive. There's no legitimate reason not to neuter your personal pets.

Not to mention all the shelters that are constantly jam packed with unwanted animals, not spaying/neutering your pets is very irresponsible.

My dog doesn't need his balls. He doesn't probably need his tail. Hell, maybe he can get by with just one ear.

Neutering doesn't always cause a drop in aggression, but I accept that it does in most cases. I'm just not willing to put my dog through an unnecessary operation for a dog that isn't aggressive, and isn't going to mate. I know of all the health benefits, but again, I'd rather chance it than neuter the dog like I did with the last puppy we had.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

You run into most problems with intact males when you go to a dog park. Lots of parks here forbid intact males for that reason. Too much dominance going on sets other dogs off.

 

[888]

You run into most problems with intact males when you go to a dog park. Lots of parks here forbid intact males for that reason. Too much dominance going on sets other dogs off.

I was walking my male at a dog park on a leash and this young male dog came up and started being an ass. He has a shock collar on so who knows. Started trying to mess with me and my male wasn't having it. Only had two bad experiences at parks and both intact males. One was a mix and the other was a Shepard.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

What's wrong with lions? Look, I got my lion from a reliable breeder whose family has been handling these things for a very long time. There hasn't been any violence in her line for 3 generations and I have raised her from a cub. She's a total sweetheart and very loyal and would never attack anyone unless I told her to do so. The only thing even close to an issue I've seen is one time when she was still pretty young and made a little swipe at some kid, but they were being really obnoxious and getting in her face and stuff, and she didn't even use her claws. She's really intelligent and knows better, and now she's mature and more loyal as well.

Jesus fucking Christ look up false equivalence in the dictionary and there's a screencap of this post.

 

[Fusebox]

I guess you missed all the posts about how vicious chihuahuas are.

I wouldn't let that happen either, pretty easily. Now, if your pit wanted to eat the baby, that'd be different.

Haha, so true.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I guess you missed all the posts about how vicious chihuahuas are.



Haha, so true.

Don't underestimate the Chihuahua.

 

[flyinpiranha]

Nevermind.

 

[Leithkorias]

Couldn't disagree more. Muzzles do not make dogs comfortable or happy. And it gives all the wrong messages to people who see your animal. It would appear that your dog is already been proven to be some blood thirsty killer. I wouldn't look at someone and say "What a responsible dog owner!"

Education and caution is the best first step.

Exactly. Sending messages about your animal is more important than protecting innocent bystanders on the off chance your dog snaps. Couldn't agree more.

 

[99hertz]

How much do pit bulls cost?

 

[ManUnkindH]

what the fuck??

"hard to watch" is kind of an understatement...

very very disturbing, I don't recommend clicking the link

 

[17 Seconds]

pit bull people are the wooooorrrrrsssst. oh, you have a picture of your pit bull looking cute? he's been nothing but sweet since you've had him? your anecdotes are worthless.

people need to get their priorities in order. i find it mind boggling that someone would let their small child play with a pit bull. jesus christ.

what are you people trying to prove?

 

[Business]

Horrible video. I hope the owner pays dearly.

 

[Who]

pit bull people are the wooooorrrrrsssst. oh, you have a picture of your pit bull looking cute? he's been nothing but sweet since you've had him? your anecdotes are worthless.

people need to get their priorities in order. i find it mind boggling that someone would let their small child play with a pit bull. jesus christ.

what are you people trying to prove?

What's better to base your opinion off of, anecdotes or stuff you see reported in the news/media?

 

[Triggerhappytel]

The dogs should be destroyed immediately and the woman should be charged with attempted murder and banned from owning pets for life. What a fucking cunt.

 

[Nephtis]

What's better to base your opinion off of, anecdotes or stuff you see reported in the news/media?

Yeah I wouldn't go that far but people who say their dog would never hurt someone is a damn fool. especially when you're dealing with, as someone else said here, a "gun that you can pet".

 

[backflip10019]

My two good friends (who are married) have two pitbulls that can get rather riled up and aggressive. One of them bit my other friend on the arm and drew blood during a weekend BBQ simply because the other one barked. She's pregnant and due in November. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little concerned for the baby's safety (or the safety of my friends -- who knows how they can react).

 

[User 100115]

It just seems weird to me that most of the discussion in this thread is breaking down to if we have big, strong dogs or not.

This is my dog, Ghost. He's an aussie/border collie mix, and somehow bigger than both breeds. He weighs 150 lbs. He's incredibly protective of the family, which, as we live in the middle of nowhere on a farm, is a good thing. He sees it as his job to escort me if I need to leave the house at night. He's a great dog.

I wouldn't trust him around strangers however. Because he is protective as all hell.

But should I get rid of him just because he's doing his job?

Dogs were domesticated to do jobs. Farm dogs do farm dog jobs. Bullies were bred for roughly the same thing. People have just recently warped them into something they aren't.

 

[superseohyun]

He made no reference to thousands of years of domestication in the posts I read; he referred to an individual mountain lion that been trained / domesticated. If he had been making the point you are making, I might have responded slightly differently, but it wouldn't have made his point more valid.



It depends on how domesticated they are. For instance, it is widely debated exactly how domesticated cats are - and certainly everyone agrees that cats, which are thought to be essentially self-domesticated animals at most, are far less domesticated than are dogs. I think we've all heard jokes about how we're lucky that cats aren't as big as wild ones, right?

So, if you managed to domesticate a population of a large species of wild cat so that it was as domesticated as a dog is, then yes. I would feel comfortable with that. If you managed to domesticate it only to the point that our house cats are domesticated, well... no. I don't have a death wish.

And pibbles aren't "massive:. They're comparable to Australian Shepherds or Boxers or Collies or a GSP; all breeds typically in the 50 - 70 pound range

i just can not comprehend this. If lions are domesticated just as good as pitbulls, you would be comfortable with people walking down their street with lions?

 

[Deleted member 12837]

i just can not comprehend this. If lions are domesticated just as good as pitbulls, you would be comfortable with people walking down their street with lions?

There's no way of knowing because there's no such thing as a domestic lion, and it's pretty much impossible to try to imagine what one might look like after undergoing a process that takes hundreds if not thousands of years.

 

[IronRinn]

I realize that drive-by posting is frowned upon, but I just wanted to say this picture is fucking amazing.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Ugly dogs. I wish we could eradicate the breed. Even the nice ones are still ugly and every time I see one I can see the scars on my son's face from where by brother-in-law's pit bull bit him unprovoked and nearly took his eye.

My son has been attacked by a pit, my friend had his scalp ripped off by one (I was there to witness it and it was horrifying), and my friend's son was hospitalized and needed two surgeries when a "don't worry, he's nice" one grabbed him and shook him around. These threads come up all the time, and I'll never change my mind about the breed. They're needlessly dangerous and I don't care about the "it's bad owners, don't blame the dogs" argument. They're dangerous, bottom line.

 

[ashecitism]

Article has been updated again, has pics with the victim in the hospital bed

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

Police said the dogs’ owner, Cynthia Oliver, ordered the dogs to attack after an argument, but Bove, an Italian immigrant, said he never talked to the woman.

“Those dogs, they were trained to fight,” Bove said.

Bove, an artist who lives in Coney Island, and himself owns a “lovely” pit bull — Gina — was in the Bronx to explore ways to restore the church’s marble facade.

As the dogs approached, he thought they wanted to be petted, but the canines had something else in mind. “They came to me, and I thought they were friendly but they jumped on me and I felt the bite,” he said. “I started to kick them off. I lost a big chunk of my arm. I could see it. I could see the bone.”

The dogs also ripped off most of his right ear. All Bove saw was red. “My ear, I couldn’t see it, but there was blood everywhere,” the native of Isernia, Italy, said.

Graphic cellphone video shows the dogs relentlessly lunging at Bove as he writhed on the ground in the middle of the street. Good Samaritan Emilio Ortiz, 46, tried to help, but the dogs kept at it and dragged Bove to the curb, their teeth clamped on his arms.

The attack was apparently not the first by the dogs. A neighbor, Marguerite Gauthier, 55, said one of the dogs bit her on the leg early last year, requiring her to get a tetanus shot.

“The dogs are vicious,” she said, adding, “"When I go out, I always look to make sure they’re not around."

Meanwhile, Bove underwent five hours of surgery Friday night and is expected to stay in the hospital at least a week to undergo another surgery to move a nerve from his leg into his arm, his son said.

Bove has stayed positive and joked to his son that at least he hadn’t been attacked by a lion.

He even showed some compassion for Oliver, who has been arrested 37 times since 1987, mostly on drug offenses.

“She was a petite, weak lady. (The dogs) were dragging her wherever they go and she couldn’t hold onto (the leash),” he said. The two pit bulls were taken to a city Animal Care and Control facility, and may have to be euthanized, officials said.

 

[LiquidSword]

Missed this thread the first time around and wow reading through here there are some shit posts splattered all over.

 

[Lonely1]

“She was a petite, weak lady. (The dogs) were dragging her wherever they go and she couldn’t hold onto (the leash),” he said. The two pit bulls were taken to a city Animal Care and Control facility, and may have to be euthanized, officials said.

If she can (physically or otherwise) control her dogs, she shouldn't be allowed to own them imo.

 

[888]

Ugly dogs. I wish we could eradicate the breed. Even the nice ones are still ugly and every time I see one I can see the scars on my son's face from where by brother-in-law's pit bull bit him unprovoked and nearly took his eye.

My son has been attacked by a pit, my friend had his scalp ripped off by one (I was there to witness it and it was horrifying), and my friend's son was hospitalized and needed two surgeries when a "don't worry, he's nice" one grabbed him and shook him around. These threads come up all the time, and I'll never change my mind about the breed. They're needlessly dangerous and I don't care about the "it's bad owners, don't blame the dogs" argument. They're dangerous, bottom line.

I am sorry for what happened to your Son. I can understand why you have the feelings you do on it.

 

[depths20XX]

So she didn't even tell the dogs to attack. That just shows how terrible the dogs are. They should definitely be euthanized.

 

[n64coder]

In the video in the OP, is that the dog owner trying to corral the dogs or is it some other bystander? The report says that the owner is a woman who is 5'4' and that person in the video looks like a guy to me.

 

[knkng]

In the video in the OP, is that the dog owner trying to corral the dogs or is it some other bystander? The report says that the owner is a woman who is 5'4' and that person in the video looks like a guy to me.

It's just some guy. From the article:

After the pets lunged at the man, a good Samaritan tried to wrangle them in on their leashes, according to video filmed from a nearby apartment.

 

[see5harp]

That owner had no business owning dogs she could not control. Dogs like that should be euthanized. Home dog breeders selling puppies from their run down ass homes should also be euthanized.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Ugly dogs. I wish we could eradicate the breed. Even the nice ones are still ugly and every time I see one I can see the scars on my son's face from where by brother-in-law's pit bull bit him unprovoked and nearly took his eye.

My son has been attacked by a pit, my friend had his scalp ripped off by one (I was there to witness it and it was horrifying), and my friend's son was hospitalized and needed two surgeries when a "don't worry, he's nice" one grabbed him and shook him around. These threads come up all the time, and I'll never change my mind about the breed. They're needlessly dangerous and I don't care about the "it's bad owners, don't blame the dogs" argument. They're dangerous, bottom line.

So sorry for what happened.

This is why I think leash and muzzle laws need to be enforced. And if your dog causes injury to someone, you should be treated by the law as if you caused that harm with a weapon yourself. It's extremely irresponsible to leave kids and big dogs alone, period.

 

[bigmit3737]

Funny how this thread still treats the good Samaritan who intervened as some kind of pet owner with out of control pit bulls.

That was just some random guy trying his best to intervene. As far as I can tell from the article and the video, the woman who owned the dogs literally commanded them to attack and walked away.



See? Another, right as I was writing this post. She controlled them just fine; she literally told them to do this! "Ok, this is a dog attack story, I will make my stock comment about owners who can't keep their dogs in check." This isn't that story. This is some psychotic person who set her dogs to attack someone.

There was update on the news a few posts up.
The victim states that he never even talked to the owner of the dogs and there was never an argument.

The dogs and the owner seem to be well known in the neighborhood as there was another victim a year back.

People are relacting to the updated news.

 

[n64coder]

Funny how this thread still treats the good Samaritan who intervened as some kind of pet owner with out of control pit bulls.

Yeah, I was confused myself reading this thread. Also, the NYD article has a photo with a caption that is wrong:

 

[SapientWolf]

It just seems weird to me that most of the discussion in this thread is breaking down to if we have big, strong dogs or not.



This is my dog, Ghost. He's an aussie/border collie mix, and somehow bigger than both breeds. He weighs 150 lbs. He's incredibly protective of the family, which, as we live in the middle of nowhere on a farm, is a good thing. He sees it as his job to escort me if I need to leave the house at night. He's a great dog.

I wouldn't trust him around strangers however. Because he is protective as all hell.

But should I get rid of him just because he's doing his job?

Dogs were domesticated to do jobs. Farm dogs do farm dog jobs. Bullies were bred for roughly the same thing. People have just recently warped them into something they aren't.

Pit bulls were bred to fight (and kill) other animals.

 

[hesido]

I'm sorry for any Pit-Bull owners or dog lovers here defending the breed, but that breed is a fucking problematic one, and a majority of Pit-Bull owners are straight up assholes, which doesn't help the situation. I'm trying to soften the generalization as much as I can.

The fucking dog is unpredictable as it gets, gets a kick out of biting things, that's their fucking nature. So if you are breeding one, get a leash and put a face mask on that fucker, and stay the hell away from my daughter and son.

Unfortunately, where I live, I've even seen ones that were not on a leash, let alone wearing a mask.

 

[see5harp]

Funny how this thread still treats the good Samaritan who intervened as some kind of pet owner with out of control pit bulls.

That was just some random guy trying his best to intervene. As far as I can tell from the article and the video, the woman who owned the dogs literally commanded them to attack and walked away.



See? Another, right as I was writing this post. She controlled them just fine; she literally told them to do this! "Ok, this is a dog attack story, I will make my stock comment about owners who can't keep their dogs in check." This isn't that story. This is some psychotic person who set her dogs to attack someone.

Dude I read all of the news story. There was nothing in the newest reports to indicate she commanded them to attack.

 

[User 100115]

Pit bulls were bred to fight (and kill) other animals.

My dog was bred to herd cattle and fight off predators like wolves and coyotes and cougars. So you could say he was bred to fight and kill other animals too.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

The fucking dog is unpredictable as it gets, gets a kick out of biting things, that's their fucking nature.

This is just not true of the breed. I mean, they do like to bite things but it is not natually aggressive towards people. They like to play tug of war and chew on things but they are not unpredictable at all. The likelyhood of being bit by a pitbull that isnt raised to be attack dog is actually pretty low. Much lower than many other breeds. This is a fact and while I understand why people dont like them. Most peoples information they spew about the breed simply is not true.

My dog was bred to herd cattle and fight off predators like wolves and coyotes and cougars. So you could say he was bred to fight and kill other animals too.

The vast majority of dogs that are not tiny lap dogs were bred to aid humans in hunting or protection of some form.

Man, Rhodesian Ridgebacks were bred to hunt lions and they are unpredictable as hell. Luckily they are not as popular as pitbulls.

I should add that they didnt actually take down the lion but tracked them and kept them at bay bu circling and attacking them. They are still extremely powerful and fearles. Awesome dogs.

 

[LiquidSword]

At least none of these posters are pulling out the "lockjaw" myth.

 

[Fusebox]

Ugly dogs. I wish we could eradicate the breed. Even the nice ones are still ugly and every time I see one I can see the scars on my son's face from where by brother-in-law's pit bull bit him unprovoked and nearly took his eye.

My son has been attacked by a pit, my friend had his scalp ripped off by one (I was there to witness it and it was horrifying), and my friend's son was hospitalized and needed two surgeries when a "don't worry, he's nice" one grabbed him and shook him around. These threads come up all the time, and I'll never change my mind about the breed. They're needlessly dangerous and I don't care about the "it's bad owners, don't blame the dogs" argument. They're dangerous, bottom line.

Horrible story man, hope the kids all recovered fully.

That's why I never listen to people at the park who say "Don't worry he's nice" and "He's never bitten anyone" as they walk their dog toward my kid. Everyone says that shit before their dog eats someones face off.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Ugly dogs. I wish we could eradicate the breed. Even the nice ones are still ugly and every time I see one I can see the scars on my son's face from where by brother-in-law's pit bull bit him unprovoked and nearly took his eye.

My son has been attacked by a pit, my friend had his scalp ripped off by one (I was there to witness it and it was horrifying), and my friend's son was hospitalized and needed two surgeries when a "don't worry, he's nice" one grabbed him and shook him around. These threads come up all the time, and I'll never change my mind about the breed. They're needlessly dangerous and I don't care about the "it's bad owners, don't blame the dogs" argument. They're dangerous, bottom line.

Someone is holding a grudge

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Horrible story man, hope the kids all recovered fully.

That's why I never listen to people at the park who say "Don't worry he's nice" and "He's never bitten anyone" as they walk their dog toward my kid. Everyone says that shit before their dog eats someones face off.

Well yeah, its good to have a healthy fear of dogs and be protective of your children. I dont let anyone near my little dog.
I wouldnt take it to the point my kid was terrified of dogs or anything though.