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[Shiggy]

So it may be harder for Black peoppe to acrue wealth but it's irrelevant when you claim wealth is the primary factor? And you scoff that I claim you're full of shit?

And no, I'm not polite to people that defend white supremacy. I don't do so in real life either. Sorry. I am not your negro.

It really doesn't make sense to discuss with you if you just make bold accusations, personal attacks, and don't read properly.

If you think that everything is only about racial bias and that there cannot be anything else, that's pretty odd. The point of my specific example was that there can be other biases and factors, including gender and wealth. I never disputed that wealth may also be affected by race, but that is an entirely different discussion that was irrelevant to this specific example. The example, which was fictional, simply assumed a wealthy black person, which there also are in reality. This specific person would have much more resources and connections available than a poor white person with no education, and thus I raised the question whether it would still all only boil down to skin colour. I have my doubts there.

I tried to explain this very explicitly to you now as you seemingly failed to understand the point of the example. If you still see no need to discuss in a civilised way, then that's it I guess. So take a deep breath and calm down. No need for such aggressiveness and accusations of defending white supremacy. It's not always just all about black and white.

Gotta love that 'angry black man' jab at the end.

Not that you'll admit it, I fully expect you to act insulted and use the 'now you're calling me a racist' card...

Coward.

Feel free to engage in a discussion and make an argument. I'm not going for personal attacks either.

I fail to see how this person only got the sentence due to being white and not for any other reasons. But if you don't want to discuss this and instead just insult others, that's simply not bringing forward the discussion.

 

[Nabbis]

So it may be harder for Black peoppe to acrue wealth but it's irrelevant when you claim wealth is the primary factor? And you scoff that I claim you're full of shit?

And no, I'm not polite to people that defend white supremacy. I don't do so in real life either. Sorry. I am not your negro.

Really, enough with the shitposting. Black people are not the only ones who have a problem acquiring wealth. Immigrants or any other ethnic minority in general lack that ability when compared to the natives, especially in my country. I would appreciate if you don't pigeonhole issues like these solely on color because i sure as hell experienced plenty of racism despite being what you would call "white" here. As much as you claim yourself to be against racism, you sure have no problem to seemingly fuck over everyone else.

 

[Rumblebones]

I mean...she is really hot. If I were the judge I'd have let her off too.

What are you trying to achieve with this shit post?

 

[Two Words]

I mean...she is really hot. If I were the judge I'd have let her off too.

Well that's stupid.

 

[Beefy]

I mean...she is really hot. If I were the judge I'd have let her off too.

Mods need to do something about the weird posts saying they would fuck a girl etx that stabbed some one.

 

[Greddleok]

What are you trying to achieve with this shit post?

That I think her getting off is less to do with her being white, and more to do with her being hot and the judge being a horny old man.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Really, enough with the shitposting. Black people are not the only ones who have a problem acquiring wealth. Immigrants or any other ethnic minority in general lack that ability when compared to the natives, especially in my country. I would appreciate if you don't pigeonhole issues like these solely on color because i sure as hell experienced plenty of racism despite being what you would call "white" here. As much as you claim yourself to be against racism, you sure have no problem to seemingly fuck over everyone else.

"blacks need to shut up others have it bad too!" Cant I get some more nuggets of honesty from you?

 

[i-Lo]

So the article doesn't state what consequences (aside from escaping jail time) she will face. Anyone know? Furthermore, is this another reinforcement of the idea that men don't have the same effective recourse as a woman when it comes to domestic abuse?

 

[AlexFlame116]

So will this thread get derailed too?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It really doesn't make sense to discuss with you if you just make bold accusations, personal attacks, and don't read properly.

If you think that everything is only about racial bias and that there cannot be anything else, that's pretty odd. The point of my specific example was that there can be other biases and factors, including gender and wealth. I never disputed that wealth may also be affected by race, but that is an entirely different discussion that was irrelevant to this specific example. The example, which was fictional, simply assumed a wealthy black person, which there also are in reality. This specific person would have much more resources and connections available than a poor white person with no education, and thus I raised the question whether it would still all only boil down to skin colour. I have my doubts there.

I tried to explain this very explicitly to you now as you seemingly failed to understand the point of the example. If you still see no need to discuss in a civilised way, then that's it I guess. So take a deep breath and calm down. No need for such aggressiveness and accusations of defending white supremacy. It's not always just all about black and white.





Feel free to engage in a discussion and make an argument. I'm not going for personal attacks either.

I fail to see how this person only got the sentence due to being white and not for any other reasons. But if you don't want to discuss this and instead just insult others, that's simply not bringing forward the discussion.

White women have privilege that other minorities especially a Black male would not have. If you try to refute that you're a bigot and defending the status quo (aka white supremacy).

Sorry if being called out for what it is bothers you as "uncivilized discourse". But I find the worst bigots are the most polite. Until you suggest systemic bias exists. Then they fight like rabid dogs to defend it. Sound familiar?

 

[Slayven]

I see the "gaf is a bubble" have started, how long until we get to the real problem? gaf being racist toward white people

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I see the "gaf is a bubble" have started, how long until we get to the real problem? gaf being racist toward white people

Always. If only we didn't systemically oppress white people then we'd have peace.

 

[Shiggy]

White women have privilege that minorities especially a Black male would have. If you try to refute that you're a bigot and defending the status quo (aka white supremacy).

I honestly don't see your point to what I'm saying though.

Sorry if being called out for what it is bothers you as "uncivilized discourse". But I find the worst bigots are the most polite. Until you suggest systemic bias exists. Then they fight like rabid dogs to defend it. Sound familiar?

I honestly don't understand your problem. Where did I dispute that systematic racial bias exists in the legal system?

I think the main issue with your replies is that they never actually discuss the content of my posts, and then just end up sounding "angry" and with baseless accusations.

 

[Nabbis]

"blacks need to shut up others have it bad too!" Cant I get some more nuggets of honesty from you?

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I honestly don't see your point to what I'm saying though.



I honestly don't understand your problem. Where did I dispute that systematic racial bias exists in the legal system?

I think the main issue with your replies is that they never actually discuss the content of my posts, and then just end up sounding "angry" and with baseless accusations.

Oh? OK I'll keep it simple:

If she were Black she'd be in jail.

 

[Yoda]

Instead of viewing this through the frame of "What would this decision do to this girls life" how about we "Examine the long-term implications of selectively applying justice to "equal" individuals". These type of decisions create a long-term, festering resentment of a country's institutions. A set of rules of the privileged, and a set of rules for the common folk... created by the privileged. This is a black-mark on the credibility of the UK's justice system (here in America this happens quite a bit too) and in extreme cases the result is an apathetic populace, that doesn't care about the community at large.

Sure, it'd sucked to have your future ruined/hamstrung, ask anyone who's been charged with a felony what it's like to find employment AFTER you've "paid your debt to society". They find out the debt was a joke, and society has condemned them to an underclass. That isn't the point, a justice system is designed to keep order within a society and incentivize behavior the society has deemed beneficial and vice-versa for behavior which isn't congruent with that. Putting her in jail for assault and/or attempted murder was the correct thing to do.

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

The "she only got away with it because she's a woman" angle isn't always applicable... but there's literally a 0% chance that a man with prior charges could've walked away from this unscathed.

Sure, it'd sucked to have your future ruined/hamstrung, ask anyone who's been charged with a felony what it's like to find employment AFTER you've "paid your debt to society". They find out the debt was a joke, and society has condemned them to an underclass. That isn't the point, a justice system is designed to keep order within a society and incentivize behavior the society has deemed beneficial and vice-versa for behavior which isn't congruent with that. Putting her in jail for assault and/or attempted murder was the correct thing to do.

I'm all for leniency and forgiveness, but you're correct, this wasn't a gray-area case where the harm caused was debatable. She stabbed someone, that's not something society should "turn the other cheek" to.

 

[Shiggy]

Oh? OK I'll keep it simple:

If she were Black she'd be in jail.

I give up now as it really doesn't make sense to discuss with you. Read my posts from the start and you will see that I don't disagree with that point, and while there's no way to say it with certainty, I would also say this is likely.

Still, as I repeatedly said, that doesn't mean that racial bias is the only factor in this case. But your whole way of thinking only seems to move around race and nothing else.

Anyway, hope you learn how to engage in a civilised and constructive manner in discussions in future. Not a good way to just make baseless claims and attacks if you are trying to convey an argument.

 

[PtM]

I mean...she is really hot. If I were the judge I'd have let her off too.

That's why you're not one.

 

[Beefy]

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

Read the OP. POC still get locked up far far more then white people do in the UK.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It really doesn't make sense to discuss with you if you just make bold accusations, personal attacks, and don't read properly.

If you think that everything is only about racial bias and that there cannot be anything else, that's pretty odd. The point of my specific example was that there can be other biases and factors, including gender and wealth. I never disputed that wealth may also be affected by race, but that is an entirely different discussion that was irrelevant to this specific example. The example, which was fictional, simply assumed a wealthy black person, which there also are in reality. This specific person would have much more resources and connections available than a poor white person with no education, and thus I raised the question whether it would still all only boil down to skin colour. I have my doubts there.

I tried to explain this very explicitly to you now as you seemingly failed to understand the point of the example. If you still see no need to discuss in a civilised way, then that's it I guess. So take a deep breath and calm down. No need for such aggressiveness and accusations of defending white supremacy. It's not always just all about black and white.





Feel free to engage in a discussion and make an argument. I'm not going for personal attacks either.

I fail to see how this person only got the sentence due to being white and not for any other reasons. But if you don't want to discuss this and instead just insult others, that's simply not bringing forward the discussion.

Circles everywhere.

She got off because she's a woman. Okay, that's fair enough, but if she had been a black woman, data shows she'd very likely be in jail and wouldn't be afforded the same privilege a white woman would be.

No, it's actually about class. Okay, let's talk about why black people and PoC struggle to achieve that position in society and why that means they wouldn't be afforded the same privilege a white person would be. No, no, no..that's an entirely different discussion, you can't bring up the systematic attempts to keep black and PoC from achieving the same social status/class because that's not relevant to the discussion about her class and social status.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Not to anywhere near the extent it does in America at least.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. The facts and figures say otherwise.

 

[wildfire]

I give up now as it really doesn't make sense to discuss with you. Read my posts from the start and you will see that I don't disagree with that point, and while there's no way to say it with certainty, I would also say this is likely.

Still, as I repeatedly said, that doesn't mean that racial bias is the only factor in this case. But your whole way of thinking only seems to move around race and nothing else.

Anyway, hope you learn how to engage in a civilised and constructive manner in discussions in future. Not a good way to just make baseless claims and attacks if you are trying to convey an argument.

Hope is worthless. You basically need to find a new approach but it will be difficult. I've never seen Mammoth explicitly entertain other factors mattering in unfair biases. For him race seems to be the only thing that matters.

Read the OP. POC still get locked up far far more then white people do in the UK.

To go one step beyond that. In India really dark people are heavily more discriminated against than Indians that are more tan.

 

[Shiggy]

Circles everywhere.

She got off because she's a woman. Okay, that's fair enough, but if she had been a black woman, data shows she'd very likely be in jail and wouldn't be afforded the same privilege a white woman would be.

No, it's actually about class. Okay, let's talk about why black people and PoC struggle to achieve that position in society and why that means they wouldn't be afforded the same privilege a white person would be. No, no, no..that's an entirely different discussion, you can't bring up the systematic attempts to keep black and PoC from achieving the same social status/class because that's not relevant to the discussion about her class and social status.

Oh you again, thanks for your "contribution". Still angry that I'm not here to discuss the broad topic of 'racial bias in all parts of society' in this topic?

I don't even understand why you continue replying to my posts when you always fail to make a constructive argument and just resume to shitposting.

Hope is worthless. You basically need to find a new approach but it will be difficult. I've never seen Mammoth explicitly entertain other factors mattering in unfair biases. For him race seems to be the only thing that matters.

Is Miles Quaritch the same user with a second account? Both are replying to me and just make baseless accusations and don't try to actually participate constructively in the discussion.

 

[Moze]

Oh? OK I'll keep it simple:

If she were Black she'd be in jail.

You can't say this though. You are opening yourself up for somebody to post an example of a black woman being let off.

 

[Nabbis]

Read the OP. POC still get locked up far far more then white people do in the UK.

How much historical context is enough to count for your oppression club? Internment camps? A war? Those two certainly check out for me. How about getting forced to transfer to another school solely based on my ethnicity while still in primary? Im not talking about UK here anymore. Though i don't think some posters give a shit as long as their own agenda gets through, fuck everyone else. Whatever. Enough of derailing from me.

 

[Beefy]

How much historical context is enough to count for your oppression club? Internment camps? A war? Those two certainly check out for me. How about getting forced to transfer to another school solely based on my ethnicity while still in primary? Im not talking about UK here anymore. Though i don't think some posters give a shit as long as their own agenda gets through, fuck everyone else. Whatever. Enough of derailing from me.

What are you angry at exactly? It is fact this girl got off because, she's white,she's well off,she's decent looking, she's bright and deemed to have a good future. We have people coming saying her race doesn't matter even after I posted up stats. It's no wonder some POC get pissed off, I am one of them, I am just too chilled to get in a argument.

As for your past I have no idea where you live? but it seemed a shit situation to be in. Hope you got out of it.

 

[Enzom21]

Man Mammoth, why are so uncivilized? Such a mannerless, angry negro. (high-pitched whistle)

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Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

Which part of the post was bigoted?

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

In general, I think the best argument is more leniency for POC instead of harsher punishments for privileged whites. In cases with a clear cut, potentially fatal crime like this though, she definitely should have spent a few months behind bars at least.

Still, our country definitely has issues with the ways we handle ex-cons and the concept of one's debt to society. Look at the number of people whose lives are ruined over a simple pot possession charge, or people being labeled sex offenders for life because they mooned someone.

We condemn far too quickly and rarely ever forgive in earnest.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

You guys still humoring people about this lol

I see the "gaf is a bubble" have started, how long until we get to the real problem? gaf being racist toward white people

A YouTube comment told me a dying website holds the answers

 

[Messofanego]

Really, enough with the shitposting. Black people are not the only ones who have a problem acquiring wealth. Immigrants or any other ethnic minority in general lack that ability when compared to the natives, especially in my country. I would appreciate if you don't pigeonhole issues like these solely on color because i sure as hell experienced plenty of racism despite being what you would call "white" here. As much as you claim yourself to be against racism, you sure have no problem to seemingly fuck over everyone else.

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

Someone needs a chill pill. No one even said that black people have the hardest compared to other minorities.

 

[Nabbis]

Someone needs a chill pill. No one even said that black people have the hardest compared to other minorities.

Im not angry, though i am disappointed. Just seems that this forum likes to ignore things unless delivered under angry tones. Calling this white privilege takes away from the plight of other minorities that still belong to that color. You may feel other don't have it as bad, but that's pretty much a "fuck you, got mine" attitude.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Oh you again, thanks for your "contribution". Still angry that I'm not here to discuss the broad topic of 'racial bias in all parts of society' in this topic?

I don't even understand why you continue replying to my posts when you always fail to make a constructive argument and just resume to shitposting.




Is Miles Quaritch the same user with a second account? Both are replying to me and just make baseless accusations and don't try to actually participate constructively in the discussion.

You claim everyone who doesn't agree with your tries to answer your 'questions' is either shitposting or being aggressive yet all you do is post utter trash about how every single example of a PoC who would be treated differently isn't relevant because it's about class and the perpetrator being a woman.

When both of those are addressed you start to claim those responses aren't valid because they don't stay within the narrow view of what you consider to be relevant to the discussion.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve through your 'questions'? Perhaps you should lay out exactly what is and isn't acceptable for you when discussing this story so we can move forward.

 

[Messofanego]

I give up now as it really doesn't make sense to discuss with you. Read my posts from the start and you will see that I don't disagree with that point, and while there's no way to say it with certainty, I would also say this is likely.

Still, as I repeatedly said, that doesn't mean that racial bias is the only factor in this case. But your whole way of thinking only seems to move around race and nothing else.

Anyway, hope you learn how to engage in a civilised and constructive manner in discussions in future. Not a good way to just make baseless claims and attacks if you are trying to convey an argument.

So you pretty much are agreed with Mammoth Jones' points that there is white privilege at work here (btw no one said only race is a factor here, class is also working here along with race) but feel to jab in a little pointless tone policing at the very end.

 

[Shiggy]

You claim everyone who doesn't agree with your tries to answer your 'questions' is either shitposting or being aggressive

No, only you and that other user who called me a racist (perhaps the same person, who knows).

yet all you do is post utter trash about how every single example of a PoC who would be treated differently isn't relevant because it's about class and the perpetrator being a woman.

I didn't say that. Your reading comprehension seems to be at fault here.

When both of those are addressed you start to claim those responses aren't valid because they don't stay within the narrow view of what you consider to be relevant to the discussion.

No, I said that the discussion about systematic racial bias in all parts of society, its effects on black people in general, etc. is not relevant to the very specific example I made, as that discussion would be far wider-reaching. It's relevant to discuss, but I do not see the point to engage in that discussion related to my specific example. Check that post again, read more carefully maybe.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve through your 'questions'? Perhaps you should lay out exactly what is and isn't acceptable for you when discussing this story so we can move forward.

I think it's pretty clear. You could read my posts to see that. In short, and as repeatedly said, I do not believe that this is only an issue of racial bias.


Please try to read more carefully. But hey, we are making progress, you are not just making personal attacks anymore. That's something.

So you pretty much are agreed with Mammoth Jones' points that there is white privilege at work here (btw no one said only race is a factor here, class is also working here along with race) but feel to jab in a little pointless tone policing at the very end.

Perhaps read the entire thread of posts leading to that reply? Including posts like this aimed at me:

So I'm saying you're full of shit. Sorry.

And no, I'm not polite to people that defend white supremacy. I don't do so in real life either. Sorry. I am not your negro.

 

[Messofanego]

No, only you and that other user who called me a racist (perhaps the same person, who knows).

Perhaps read the entire thread of posts leading to that reply? Including posts like this aimed at me:

I've read them, I'm not seeing where people are calling you a racist.

Again, if you have an issue with how someone is responding to you, take it up with the mods or just stick to actual arguments instead of ad hominems about others having bad reading comprehension or how no one understands you.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

No amount of your bullshit changes the fact that a Black person would get far different treatment. If that offends you tough shit. Have a nice day.

No, only you and that other user who called me a racist (perhaps the same person, who knows).




I didn't say that. Your reading comprehension seems to be at fault here.




No, I said that the discussion about systematic racial bias in all parts of society, its effects on black people in general, etc. is not relevant to the very specific example I made, as that discussion would be far wider-reaching. It's relevant to discuss, but I do not see the point to engage in that discussion related to my specific example. Check that post again, read more carefully maybe.




I think it's pretty clear. You could read my posts to see that. In short, and as repeatedly said, I do not believe that this is only an issue of racial bias.


Please try to read more carefully. But hey, we are making progress, you are not just making personal attacks anymore. That's something.





Perhaps read the entire thread of posts leading to that reply? Including posts like this aimed at me:

I stand by every statement I made to you in this thread. sorry if I hurt your feelings. I know they're valuable.

 

[akira28]

So will this thread get derailed too?

will? already.

 

[akira28]

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

where ya from kid?

 

[Shiggy]

I've read them, I'm not seeing where people are calling you a racist.

Again, if you have an issue with how someone is responding to you, take it up with the mods or just stick to actual arguments instead of ad hominems about others having bad reading comprehension or how no one understands you.

I was just talking to two specific users who were not responding in constructive ways and were not make any arguments, and instead were just making baseless claims, such as that I was defending white supremacy (which for me is being called a "racist", as defending that is racist). I don't see why I cannot respond to such posts. If people make such posts, they either willingly try to misconstrue a post, or they simply lack reading comprehension. Also, the aggressive tone can be called out as that's absolutely not constructive.

But it's funny that you ask me to stick to actual arguments, when neither of the other users were making any arguments and I still tried to engage with them in a discussion. Of course, in hindsight, it was pointless as these two users never wanted to engage in a constructive discussion in the first place.

I stand by every statement I made to you in this thread. sorry if I hurt your feelings. I know they're valuable.

Thanks for your "contribution" then. Sad to see that you are unable to discuss.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I was just talking to two specific users who were not responding in constructive ways and were not make any arguments, and instead were just making baseless claims, such as that I was defending white supremacy (which for me is being called a "racist", as defending that is racist). I don't see why I cannot respond to such posts. If people make such posts, they either willingly try to misconstrue a post, or they simply lack reading comprehension. Also, the aggressive tone can be called out as that's absolutely not constructive.

But it's funny that you ask me to stick to actual arguments, when neither of the other users were making any arguments and I still tried to engage with them in a discussion. Of course, in hindsight, it was pointless as these two users never wanted to engage in a constructive discussion in the first place.

Actual argument: If she were Black she would do jail time.

Thanks for your "contribution" then. Sad to see that you are unable to discuss.

I apologize for being direct and not engaging in this discussion in a manner which gains your approval. Shall I tap dance for you as well, boss? FOH.

 

[Shiggy]

Actual argument: If she were Black she would do jail time.

Check this post for a reply. Hint: I already replied to that argument in there.

I apologize for being direct and not engaging in this discussion in a manner which gains your approval. Shall I tap dance for you as well, boss? FOH.

Come on. How old are you?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Check this post for a reply. Hint: I already replied to that argument in there.

You'r reply was the equivalent of "nuh-uh!". You can't claim it's not race it's only wealth then ignore why that is and who that tends to benefit the most in any society.

Come on. How old are you?

Old enough to know people like you are never genuine with your "colorblind" arguments and attempts to disengage from any discussion on racial bias.

 

[Mael]

Wait, people are arguing that race wasn't a factor in that girl getting away with murder?
Do we need to dig up the judge's logs to find that he post on Stormfront or something?
This case is even more clear cut than that party in an episode of Dear White People!

 

[Merc_]

Im not your white boy from the states, you don't know shit. You don't even know where i live. Not going to start oppression olympics with you because bigoted posts like the above are usually banned and for a good reason. Never mind projecting your own issues unto a country you don't even know, much less been to.

This is a strange thing to say considering you entered the thread doing exactly that.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Wait, people are arguing that race wasn't a factor in that girl getting away with murder?
Do we need to dig up the judge's logs to find that he post on Stormfront or something?
This case is even more clear cut than that party in an episode of Dear White People!

That's the argument. It's only class. Her being White has NOTHING to do with it. They super promise despite anyone with an 8th grade education and the willingness to read a history book could find example after example of that being bullshit.

This is a strange thing to say considering you entered the thread doing exactly that.

 

[Shiggy]

You'r reply was the equivalent of "nuh-uh!". You can't claim it's not race it's only wealth then ignore why that is and who that tends to benefit the most in any society.

I didn't say or imply that. Again, read more carefully. I said it does not solely come down to race.

Your reading comprehension really sucks:

That's the argument. It's only class. Her being White has NOTHING to do with it. They super promise despite anyone with an 8th grade education and the willingness to read a history book could find example after example of that being bullshit.

Nowhere did I say that.

Old enough to know people like you are never genuine with your "colorblind" arguments and attempts to disengage from any discussion on racial bias.

Alright, if you say so. If you think that's helpful for this discussion, keep going.

 

[uncelestial]

Look, of course this person has many favorable attributes that helped get her this pass from the justice system. She's young, pretty, wealthy, female, white, and attending an elite school -- all things that are counter to the profile of a "violent offender" that the justice system is apt to treat harshly.

But what point are you -- Shiggy, Yoshi -- trying to make to people of color by trying to discount the racial element? How could any person of color who is living under the "justice" system we have (and who has seen story after story of police violence, racist arrest/conviction rates, and racist sentencing) NOT feel the same injustice happening again here? Why is your message to these people to "look beyond race?" Everybody has a perspective to bring -- theirs is valuable. Do you want them to just not talk about it?

Besides, even with all those other factors, I completely agree she could have had them all -- except was black instead of white -- and probably would've caught jail time. It happens to black women all the time.

So seriously, what are you doing?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I didn't say or imply that. Again, read more carefully. I said it does not solely come down to race.

Your reading comprehension really sucks:


Nowhere did I say that.




Alright, if you say so. If you think that's helpful for this discussion, keep going.

You implied it heavily. More than once. Just be honest about how you feel. Don't dance around it.

I'm not here to be helpful to you.

 

[Shiggy]

Look, of course this person has many favorable attributes that helped get her this pass from the justice system. She's young, pretty, wealthy, female, white, and attending an elite school -- all things that are counter to the profile of a "violent offender" that the justice system is apt to treat harshly.

But what point are you -- Shiggy, Yoshi -- trying to make to people of color by trying to discount the racial element? How could any person of color who is living under the "justice" system we have (and who has seen story after story of police violence, racist arrest/conviction rates, and racist sentencing) NOT feel the same injustice happening again here? Why is your message to these people to "look beyond race?" Everybody has a perspective to bring -- theirs is valuable. Do you want them to just not talk about it?

I'm not discounting it. I'm simply saying that making a simplification of saying "it's just racial bias, nothing else" is wrong. There are further elements, further biases at play, for which Mammoth Jones and Miles Quaritch can only reply "you are defending white supremacy, I know ya kind FOH".

Why is it wrong to say that there's also a gender bias in the legal system when it comes to sexual assault? Why is it offensive to some when it's not all about them and their own issues they face due to racial bias?

It's ridiculous being attacked for pointing out that the judgement is multi-facetted and not simply a question of "black and white".

You implied it heavily. More than once. Just be honest about how you feel. Don't dance around it.

I'm not here to be helpful to you.

Care to point me to those parts? Please keep everything within the context of the respective post without misconstruing parts. We had that already.