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Pachter talks about AdBlock
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Felix Lighter
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Those type of ads are going to solve some of the issues on both sides but introduce others. One potential sticky point with content creators handling the promotion personally, there has to be a much tighter relationship between the sales department and the content creators themselves. Which isn't a big deal in some cases but in others it's a real problem.
From my point of view, the whole issue is such a tough one to truly solve and I guess that's why not much has really changed, though better more secure browsers and the birth of ad block has definitely had a major impact on the absolute worst types of ads. 10 - 12 years ago, I feel like everyone of my less tech savvy family and friends had their computers completely riddled with malware. It's not nearly as bad today.
Uh? You don't pay for Neogaf Gold?
I work in advertising/marketing and hate what has happened to the Internet. I have no problem with banners(preferably static), but anytime that you cover up a page, I cringe. That being said I can't fully support the use of ad blockers without white list. They do need to advertise, I just wish sites would realize that fewer people would use ad block if their ads weren't so obnoxious.
Because browsers have pop-up blockers built in right now.
Go into your browser settings and turn that off and things will be awesome. Trust me.
I don't understand the logic behind the thinking here. If I don't like the way you choose to make money, I will bypass it yet continue to consume your content. If you don't like it, simply don't support it by not visiting the site. The simple fact that many have said that they disable content on sites that annoy them, yet continue to use them, suggests that most people expect free shit for no investment. They want a good service with almost no inconvenience or barrier to the content, yet don't expect to pay a fee for said service. ridiculous
Ah, just checked my preferences in Safari.
I'll take your word for it and pass on that one.
Storm Chamber
Banned
I'll keep on saying it: when ads stop ruining people's computers, I'll turn it off. Nothing personal.
Gaming sites running off ads isn't a successful business model, trying to pay staff/hosting with fluctuating ad cash isn't going to cut it. It is for this reason a lot of sites have started running premium services or begging users to remove their blocks. The twitch model is the way forward.
Ian Somerhalder at 57 seconds. So good.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
So you are suggesting what exactly?
I'm either going to block your intrusive ads and keep consuming your content or I'm going somewhere else. Neither of those solutions helps you. The best solution? Stop using intrusive ads and I'll stop running ABP. Or gate your super awesome content behind a pay wall, personally I don't think your content is that super awesome.
Uh oh, you might offend people by calling it like it is! Capitalism is the best economic tool we have for progress and all~
Neogaf is one of the only sites I don't block because A) there's no stupid video ads and annoying sound B) they're completely out of the way and give me no pop ups so I don't accidentally click all the time
I tried to unblock gt and escapist to support them but there's constant video ads on the side that interrupt my video and 30 second ads that even when you hit mute don't mute
same goes for twitch
I tried to unblock gt and escapist to support them but there's constant video ads on the side that interrupt my video and 30 second ads that even when you hit mute don't mute
same goes for twitch
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I don't really mind stuff like google adwords, or some small animated banners (like here on GAF), but to the extent of what happens in GT or many other websites, where videos sometimes don't even work without you unblocking a specific ad or tracker, where websites want to do nothing else but open popups and other annoying stuff?
I happily subscribe to GB for premium content and to support the website. I would happily subscribe to some kind of GAF membership instead of just having to see some banners at the top of the page.
I just don't want to go around online, visiting websites where ads sometimes cover all the text, have sound, sometimes are inappropriate, can be used to compromise your computer...In my opinion, if ad companies kept things simpler, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Actionhank
Banned
You're gonna watch that tampon ad, and like it !!!!
ChiliManiac
Banned
Pachter is not wrong on this...people should be allowed to monetize their videos, 30 seconds is not much when it's a well informed 5 minute video. If I want a product without ads I'll buy it on Amazon to support the content creators directly or pay for netflix. The only time I dislike ads is if they're not informative and the big problem is half the crap on the internet is hijacked by adware/malware and similar bullshit.
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Secondly, that guy is an entitled asshole the way he wrote it. I'll bet you he's gona be watching the superbowl for the ads.
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Secondly, that guy is an entitled asshole the way he wrote it. I'll bet you he's gona be watching the superbowl for the ads.
Fuz
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RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I actually liked that he responded like that. The person who wrote that was a complete douche and is what people picture when the word 'entitled' gets thrown around.
Fuck that guy.
Click everything
Watched this while listening to Robocop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekk6hkVt07U
Seemed appropriate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekk6hkVt07U
Seemed appropriate.
No, but the justification surprises me. I understand why people do it, especially after looking at the giantbomb video, but the mere fact that people see nothing morally wrong with blocking ads out of annoyance and still consuming content boggles me. It reminds me of the time when I tried to convince my cousin that downloading songs off kazaa was illegal. There is literally nothing you can say to a person to convince them that what they are doing is wrong if they have already justified the action in there heads.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I understand the need for adblock and don't use it on GAF, but I'll be damned if I'm going to watch a 30 second YouTube add for a 20 second video, or sit through a 3 minute ad every time I try to watch a Let's Play. At a certain point my level of caring for the person creating the content goes out the window in favor of me not having time for that shit.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Something can be amoral and still deliver major progress to overall well-being, I don't see the contradiction. But it is strange that Pachter is so against people doing stuff (using adblock) that is just rational self-interest. If Adblock is crippling sites, the government should change the rules to make it illegal. Demonizing the users is stupidity.
I'll admit, I'm a hypocrite. I know that content creators deserve to get money from ads but I still block them (except on certain sites like GAF).
Some people think "There exist websites with terrible ads, therefore I'm gonna block all ads" and that's not fair. Instead of keeping a whitelist of certain sites, people should be using a blacklist and only block ads on websites that they know have really obtrusive ads. Or better yet, people should remove their ad blocker completely and just avoid websites with intrusive ads. But again, I'm a hypocrite so I can't judge people for not doing that.
Also, there's the irony of people using an ad blocker to speed up their web browsing when ad blockers actually consume a ton of memory.
Some people think "There exist websites with terrible ads, therefore I'm gonna block all ads" and that's not fair. Instead of keeping a whitelist of certain sites, people should be using a blacklist and only block ads on websites that they know have really obtrusive ads. Or better yet, people should remove their ad blocker completely and just avoid websites with intrusive ads. But again, I'm a hypocrite so I can't judge people for not doing that.
Also, there's the irony of people using an ad blocker to speed up their web browsing when ad blockers actually consume a ton of memory.
legacyzero
Banned
You don't think they deserved that bashing?
This is a problem the ad industry still hasn't found a solid solution to. Traditional advertising just doesn't work well online. Very few have figured out how to advertising well online, which is why we have these issues. Until online advertising improves, people will use adblock and there's nothing anyone can do about.
So you are agreeing with my premise that most people want free stuff with little investment. You are basically saying stop running ads and I stop blocking them, but if you charge, I leave cuz it wasn't that good to begin with.
I think a better way to advertise is to do it they way Twit does for their videos. The host of the show plugs a product or service briefly and talks about it a bit before continuing the show. I find this method more acceptable and effective because it means that the host can actually offer me a compelling argument as to why I should buy something.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Could be completely wrong, but speeding up browsing has more to do with how long it takes for the flash shit to load than the effect on system memory.
No I'm saying stop running intrusive ads and I'll stop blocking them. I have zero issue with simple banner ads so long as they are aren't nefarious. You can charge, if the content is solid enough. The problem is most content isn't solid or unique.
Haunted
Member
It's pretty crazy that we're at a point where companies are painting Adblock as this attack on their business, stealing etc etc.
Adblock isn't an offensive action. It's a defensive reaction.
nephilimdj
Member
Surely gametrailers could counter this by bring back there point system but instead of based on videos viewed, could be ads viewed.
I think I made it like 1/3 of the way to getting a free ds lite
I think I made it like 1/3 of the way to getting a free ds lite
There really needs to be some strong laws about internet advertising, the amount of ads that have malware in them is obscene.
Any ad provider that feeds an ad with malware embedded in it should be charged as accomplice and suffer the full force of the law!
Feeding ads in searches that lead to malware should also be a crime!
Just try searching for skype with bing.com (both MS products), note the huge amount ads for malware infected downloads bing puts at the top of the page?!
Any ad provider that feeds an ad with malware embedded in it should be charged as accomplice and suffer the full force of the law!
Feeding ads in searches that lead to malware should also be a crime!
Just try searching for skype with bing.com (both MS products), note the huge amount ads for malware infected downloads bing puts at the top of the page?!
Mt Heart Attack
Member
What affects the speed of browsing is how fast you can download all the required content from the web server. Blocking ads, especially flas ones, means you need to download a lot less, which reduces the time it takes for a page to load.
Memory usage doesn't slow down your browsing (unless you don't have enough, in which case it will probably affect the speed of switching tabs/windows), it just uses more memory.
Aquamarine
Member
Zabant
Member
I wonder which way pachter votes? he's a corporatist through and through so you'd think republican.
But then again dude seems like a nice guy and I doubt he'd be cool with things like stopping gay marrage, women's rights (abortion issue) and letting poor folks have access to affordable health care.
But then again dude seems like a nice guy and I doubt he'd be cool with things like stopping gay marrage, women's rights (abortion issue) and letting poor folks have access to affordable health care.
I get Patcher's frustration, to a degree but calling the person a scumbag and idiot isn't the right way to make his point.
I use Adblock because I don't want to waste time having to sit through an ad to watch a video that could be 2 minutes long, plus I also use it as another layer of protection.
I use Adblock because I don't want to waste time having to sit through an ad to watch a video that could be 2 minutes long, plus I also use it as another layer of protection.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
It was at one point, but I don't think it is anymore. I think due to adblock that a lot of advertisers have changed, but it's too late. People opt for the nuclear solution. I know that adblock had attempted to whitelist ads, but it's not working or their rules are still too strict. There's a happy medium here but the fact that adblock still blocks neogaf ads and I have to whitelist this site tells me that there's some work to be done.
You could say the same about piracy, which is indisputeably anti-market and stealing.
"You wanna force me to pay for HBO Go to watch Game of Thrones!? Take this!!"
Some consumers act like they are some sort of virtuous defenders of humanity when it comes to stealing digital content.
that part had me lmao "you idiot!" lol it was such an immediate change in tone
This.
He's full of shit and self righteousness.
I have no obligation to watch ads.
I whitelist GAF from adblock because GAF has provided me with years of entertainment and content. If GAF had a subscription fee I'm pretty sure I would even pay that. However the majority of other Internet sites I could care less about.
Hale-XF11
Member
Exactly this. If your ads are more important to you than protecting and respecting your visitors, then you're doing it wrong. Show your visitors some respect instead of treating them like they owe you something first. Just like if you owned a physical store somewhere. When a customer walks in, you don't chastise them for browsing and tell them they better buy something as soon as they walk in. That would be a bad business decision. You'd be pushing all your potential customers away and before you know it, you have no customers and your business goes bankrupt.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm a conservative and I use adblock on 99% of the websites I visit.
Woo-Fu
Banned
AdBlock isn't actually the problem. Business models that don't factor in its presence are the problem.
If the companies paying to advertise are saying, "we're not paying for any visitors who uses adblock." then it seems to me that the websites should be saying, "Then you're going to pay more for the people who aren't using adblock." Instead the websites that are desperate for any sort of revenue are "taking what they can get." and getting walked all over by the advertisers. The answer isn't to let them walk all over the websites and the consumers.
Do newspapers get paid less from advertisers because of people who don't even look at the ad sections? Nope.
Do the billboard companies get paid less because some motorists don't ever look directly at their billboards? Nope.
Do the tv networks get paid less for viewers who channel surf during commercial breaks? Nope.
The difference is that in those mediums the rates aren't set by the advertising companies, they're set by the hosting companies who adjust their rates based upon their marketshare, regardless of who does and does not look at the ads they display. Network X has 2x the viewers of Network Y in a given time slot, they can charge more for advertising time.
As long as websites are willing to be the electronic equivalent of junk mail that is how the advertisers are going to treat them.
If the companies paying to advertise are saying, "we're not paying for any visitors who uses adblock." then it seems to me that the websites should be saying, "Then you're going to pay more for the people who aren't using adblock." Instead the websites that are desperate for any sort of revenue are "taking what they can get." and getting walked all over by the advertisers. The answer isn't to let them walk all over the websites and the consumers.
Do newspapers get paid less from advertisers because of people who don't even look at the ad sections? Nope.
Do the billboard companies get paid less because some motorists don't ever look directly at their billboards? Nope.
Do the tv networks get paid less for viewers who channel surf during commercial breaks? Nope.
The difference is that in those mediums the rates aren't set by the advertising companies, they're set by the hosting companies who adjust their rates based upon their marketshare, regardless of who does and does not look at the ads they display. Network X has 2x the viewers of Network Y in a given time slot, they can charge more for advertising time.
As long as websites are willing to be the electronic equivalent of junk mail that is how the advertisers are going to treat them.