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Pachter talks about AdBlock
- Thread starter DarkoMaledictus
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People with professional classier taste.
Indeed *sips single malt*
Seriously though, dark theme makes the gaf logo look ass
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Lol that's exactly what I was thinking. Lets face it, people care about #1 and ads will never be something anyone wants to sit down and view... in the end selecting that question and going on that rant probably caused a 50% increase in the use on ad blocker on gametrailers...
Felix Lighter
Member
I makes my avatar look horrible. I should do something about that.
Yep, they get paid and it is not some shit ad.
Yeah, subs make up most of the income for streamers (that and donations), even streaming for half a day and with 4000 viewers only gets you like $100 odd (info comes from Dan's Gaming).
Well, I do remove the crap it thinks I like (but I don't), but it keeps adding it back.
(As I side note, google is feeding me dodgy dating site ads on this site ATM).
Principate
Saint Titanfall
This pops up instead, yea it doesn't get around but it's something
The horror no ad loaded up... Get on customer support stat.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
"You are the worst kind of person in the world..."
hahaha that was awesome
hahaha that was awesome
He is making a Tragedy of the Commons argument. You can motivate that with a variety of moral frameworks:
1. Categorical Imperative: You can't universalize the act of using AdBlock, because it would cause all of these sites to go out of business.
2. Enlightened Self-Interest: Helping GameTrailers make money benefits both you and GT, since they will be able to continue to exist and produce more content.
3. Social Contract: By choosing to make use of the site, you are implicitly taking on a responsibility to obey its rules.
Omnii-chan
Member
I agree. Watched him for a few weeks for opinions before I couldn't handle it any more. Calling someone those things over a personal opinion on advertisement in an internet video is pathetic and really isn't part of the "professional" image he set for himself.
Actionhank
Banned
Funchameleon
Banned
Actionhank
Banned
LMAO , talk about intrusive. I tell you adblocker is a godsend.
Prototype Viktor
Member
It's a tarp!
I have a block off for GAF and still don't see ads because of host file so I randomly (and accidentally) click them when I'm on mobile which is 65% of the time
Also Google has an opt out yo their ad network for chrome
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
I have no problem seeing ads when I'm getting back something of value. Video game websites don't provide me with that type of value, however a service like crunchyroll that let's me stream anime on my tablet and feeds me ads every few minutes provides me value
Uno Venova
Banned
Does this happen automatically? If so I don't how I'm supposed to feel bad about blocking this.
Funchameleon
Banned
It did with this particular ad. To be fair Giant Bomb rushed to get it removed from their rotation, but it was still hilarious
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Lmao, my goodness. Where is the value to ad providers when crap like this happens? Don't people usually hit the little x button when stuff like this happens so that they can get to the content they came to see?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I adblock almost every site unless they are like GAF in which the ads don't bother me at all. There's a small ad on top and on the bottom, it's not annoying and I don't mind at all.
Any video site gets adblocked immediately, I can't stand video ads.
Any video site gets adblocked immediately, I can't stand video ads.
Actionhank
Banned
intrusive advertising is just that. its not like witnessing a commercial during a video to have pop ups and large annoying graphics everywhere shaking/making sound.
more sites should use messaging to communicate to ad block users of why they shouldn't block their ad's. its worked for many of the community sites i visit, even if you don't pay attention, its hard to avoid seeing ad spaces with messaging from the site itself asking you to disable.
more sites should use messaging to communicate to ad block users of why they shouldn't block their ad's. its worked for many of the community sites i visit, even if you don't pay attention, its hard to avoid seeing ad spaces with messaging from the site itself asking you to disable.
Adblock is a tool and an increasingly useful one given how Malware and Viri are spread these days and the increasingly obvious fact that websites have no intention of curating their ads. Frankly everyone should have adblock installed these days when we are bombarded by strange links from multiple sources. The key thing is if you stumble across a site you enjoy or you have enjoyed that content then you should whitelist the site to ensure that author/site gets paid.
Until all scripts are vetted and 100% clean then everyone should be using adblock and people like Pachter who tell us to uninstall it are are being extremely selfish. If we read that site or adsite has been hacked we can protect our PC's with adblock, without it that Malware is coming down the pipe along with your video of Pachter. Websites want the money from advertising but none of the grief that it can cause, you can't have it both ways.
Until all scripts are vetted and 100% clean then everyone should be using adblock and people like Pachter who tell us to uninstall it are are being extremely selfish. If we read that site or adsite has been hacked we can protect our PC's with adblock, without it that Malware is coming down the pipe along with your video of Pachter. Websites want the money from advertising but none of the grief that it can cause, you can't have it both ways.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I know you're joking but I don't give a shit, there's absolutely no benefit for me and at times you can even get malware.
Trying new ways to advertise does not mean the old ways ir advertising as a whole is ineffective
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
I wonder if those people are against blocking pop ups too,lol
Funchameleon
Banned
Popups are how free filesharing sites survive, you monster
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Lmao +1
Honestly this is a really good ad.
Jeffrey Tambor licking the bottom of a icecream sandwich appeals to me and what I want.
Excellent post and I am 100% behind you. Self-entitlement is beyond reasonable levels. It is unreal.
Now let us look at the following,
The poster asks two legitimate and serious questions about the future of game journalism (gaming sites, news, opinions, ect) with such fierce competition from Youtube and Twitch. His third point is that there is no point in allowing ad revenue to work as intended on various gaming sites because their content can be easily found on myriads gaming sites, blogs, and youtube videos as well as from the official sites and forums. That is perfectly fine reasoning. He is a hard-line-capitalist; I would say a traditional one, in which for him there is no demand content from any gaming website that cannot be found or satiated or replaced from other online environments. Ergo, there is nothing unique for him reading any gaming-related piece of the net because it is easily producible, replaceable and replicable from the public or from a self-independent source.
You cannot force anyone to do something out of blind faith - that he should do it for the greater good, for the greater mankind, let alone a client who has every right to have this view and act as he will.
You shouldn't demand from your viewers to jump when you say jump and to sit when you say sit and grab them from their neck using this-is-some-world-poverty/urgency type of bull. It is not the client's business how me or anyone else gets paid and what type of contract me or anyone else has signed and what type of business model me or anyone else is part of. Ethics matters to this extend are self-righteous and hypocritical at least. No one is entitled to anything as long as he or she is not trespassing any law premise and since he is not doing that again he has all the rights in the world to use adblock. Principles are good for discussions and ethically-material-consumption but they are that; good discussion points and nothing else; no obligations and no must-dos.
I can't believe that this person is a good professional role model because "he is telling him like it is". I honestly can't believe that we have reached a point, in the gaming community where a professional acting unprofessionally is an act of praise and recommendation and calls for celebration.
This is beyond disgusting. It is appalling. And at the end of the day, if Gametrailers content is superb, premium, out-of-this-world they should either put it behind a monthly pay-wall or a yearly subscription-model.
God.
RealDeadOne
Member
Honestly the ONLY reason I turn off adblock on GAF and other forums are because of the social pressure. If these sites would give me an option to purchase adfree viewing at a fair price, I'd take it in a heart beat.
I want to support places I like but ads are full of viruses and Spyware that the site hosters usually aren't even aware of. There have even been virus scares here on GAF.
When it comes down to it it's the same issue as piracy, you can sit there all day and show people how harmful it is and how much of assholes they're being but at the end of the day adblock and pirating exist and there's nothing you can do take them go away, so it's the responsibility of the content providers to come up with new ways to monetize and provide a service that's worth paying for. Free riders are gonna free ride.
I want to support places I like but ads are full of viruses and Spyware that the site hosters usually aren't even aware of. There have even been virus scares here on GAF.
When it comes down to it it's the same issue as piracy, you can sit there all day and show people how harmful it is and how much of assholes they're being but at the end of the day adblock and pirating exist and there's nothing you can do take them go away, so it's the responsibility of the content providers to come up with new ways to monetize and provide a service that's worth paying for. Free riders are gonna free ride.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Well as was said before, Jim Sterling said it much much better :
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8854-The-Adblock-Episode
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8854-The-Adblock-Episode
I don't have a fundamental problem with ads. They can be entertaining and informative, and become a part of popular culture. But somewhere along the way (and I'm sure some would say it happened before I was even born), the lesser advertisers realized that they could get noticed by being more annoying than the next guy. Then the VCR came along, and it empowered people to skip ads, and I remember how threatened the advertising industry felt about that. But it wouldn't have been a threat if people didn't fucking hate you. And then the DVR came along with it's 30-second skip-forward, and it was time for round two. Oh noes, empowered sheep means the death of our industry!
Ads on the internet pushed so far that advertisers were literally killing our computers by deliberately infecting them with AIDS. Adblock comes along, and pushes back. Oh no, won't somebody please think of the poor advertisers?
I use a PVR. I don't bother to skip ads, until an annoying one comes on. Then I start skipping, and I don't stop until I reach the show. I'm not going to deliberately stop to watch ads I don't care about. But a few bad apples are ruining things for everyone else.
I used to use Adblock. Then I saw Evilore saying that he works hard to ensure that Neogaf's ads aren't bad, so I whitelisted Neogaf. Then I saw Jim Sterling's bit on Adblock, so I gave turning the program off a try. Then my computer died (hopefully unrelated but maybe not?), so I built a new one and I haven't installed Adblock yet. I've mostly been avoiding any site that would make me want it. Maybe I'm playing with fire and just begging to get burned again, but I'm willing to give people a chance.
Software developers working for the ad industry might be working on ways to defeat Adblock, but I'm sure not rooting for them. In fact, fuck anyone who's working on a way around Adblock. Internet ads are the worst ads, and they should be working on trying to improve their image and convincing people to turn Adblock off, not trying to find new and unstoppable ways to give me fucking AIDS.
Ads on the internet pushed so far that advertisers were literally killing our computers by deliberately infecting them with AIDS. Adblock comes along, and pushes back. Oh no, won't somebody please think of the poor advertisers?
I use a PVR. I don't bother to skip ads, until an annoying one comes on. Then I start skipping, and I don't stop until I reach the show. I'm not going to deliberately stop to watch ads I don't care about. But a few bad apples are ruining things for everyone else.
I used to use Adblock. Then I saw Evilore saying that he works hard to ensure that Neogaf's ads aren't bad, so I whitelisted Neogaf. Then I saw Jim Sterling's bit on Adblock, so I gave turning the program off a try. Then my computer died (hopefully unrelated but maybe not?), so I built a new one and I haven't installed Adblock yet. I've mostly been avoiding any site that would make me want it. Maybe I'm playing with fire and just begging to get burned again, but I'm willing to give people a chance.
Software developers working for the ad industry might be working on ways to defeat Adblock, but I'm sure not rooting for them. In fact, fuck anyone who's working on a way around Adblock. Internet ads are the worst ads, and they should be working on trying to improve their image and convincing people to turn Adblock off, not trying to find new and unstoppable ways to give me fucking AIDS.
Ad block on 100% of the time. Unless it's some anime sites that I care about because they stream things I can't get any where else. But they provide product that is harder to get. Gaming I have hundreds of options and forums like gaf are usually the best sources so ad block on for gaming sites. Really ad block saved the internet in my mind because it's so clean and enjoyable.
Well I would say that it did not work (based off the ads I am seeing on the site right now).
Nealand Liquor
Member
Neogaf is the only site I have it unblocked on. However other than random surfing, neogaf is the only site I go to daily. I don't need anything but gaf for muh gaminz needz!
Look... You've got to meet people halfway here. This... This sort of crap right here is the exact reason Adblock exists. Until advertisers can get their shit together and stop with annoying, intrusive, virus-laden ads, more and more people are going to get on the Adblock train.
An internet without adblock is an internet I want no part in. It would require some kind of DRM that would subvert the open sharing of information.
I should be able to choose what I want to download from a public website freely. If content-providers want to paywall or have me sign a ToS in order to use their website, so be it. Otherwise, I will accept ads, scripts, and redirects on a block-by-default whitelist basis.
I should be able to choose what I want to download from a public website freely. If content-providers want to paywall or have me sign a ToS in order to use their website, so be it. Otherwise, I will accept ads, scripts, and redirects on a block-by-default whitelist basis.
disastermouse
Banned
Wait, what? Not wanting to see ads makes you a scumbag? That's not drinking the Kool-Aid, that's taking the Kool-Aid rectally.
Garrus Vakarian
Member
The thing I have never understood about ads is how people make any decent kind of money off them. They are annoying, typically mis-targetted and are actively ignored. They make the site money because the advertisers pay the site to host them, but how do they make any money for the advertisers?
The number of people who actually click that stuff must be very slim.
The number of people who actually click that stuff must be very slim.
retrogamer84
Member
Yeah no, I will continue to block all ads on every site not named GAF. Even ads in videos can be blocked easily, so forget the Hulu type ads as well. Too many annoying ads that cover the screen and play annoying sounds, not to mention the malware.
It's offensive to say you don't care if someone lost their show? Sorry, but that's someone speaking their opinion. He needs to grow some skin instead of saying AdBlock is going to lead to a world full of anarchy and calling people with DVR's scumbags.
With his attitude, put my name up there with people who couldn't care less if this guy lost his show from lack of ad revenue. There are a handful of sites I visit without AdBlock and if I ever find myself on GameTrailers, I'll make sure they aren't one of them.
GavinUK86
Member
pachter is so out of order for the names he called that guy. he even shitted on people who dvr programs and skip through the adverts. way out of line. he needs apologise on the next show in my opinion. he's free to stand by his opinion but not start throwing insults at people.
just out of curiosity i double checked my adblock and ghostery stats for the gametrailers.com site and it's ridiculous how much shit they try to spam you with. 6 intrusive ads and 12 trackers trying to scan what i'm doing EVERYTIME i load the gametrailers main page. you think i'm using your shit without blocking? yeah right.
just out of curiosity i double checked my adblock and ghostery stats for the gametrailers.com site and it's ridiculous how much shit they try to spam you with. 6 intrusive ads and 12 trackers trying to scan what i'm doing EVERYTIME i load the gametrailers main page. you think i'm using your shit without blocking? yeah right.
This is the kind of approach that changes minds. He states why people do something, empathizes with them and then asks them to please not do that thing which inhibits his business. He actually touches on the reason why people use Adblock, ads have made the internet fucking miserable, instead of just insulting them them and begging them to pay his bills for him.
It's not that not wanting to see ads makes you a scumbag, its that he publicly says that he does it so the hard work that they put in is worthless. That is completely dickish for that guy to say, so I do agree a bit with Pachter saying some of that but not all. Is there a better way to phrase it? Yes but he is right in a sense. I can't blame people for using adblock as there are some sites that are disgusting to see how much ads there are and the malware they could possibly contain, but I don't think you should enable it and brag about it to content creators. I'll gladly watch 30 seconds to a minute of ads if it helps support websites and people I like to watch regularly.
Fox Mulder
Member
I quit going to sites that do that, fuck them.
I dont comprehend how you accept Hulu ads. You are paying additional money to view streamed tv shows. And they ad spam you. This is the reason Netflix is 1000x better. If Netflix adopts ads I'd want them to come out with an ad-free version for $3 more. Seriously Fuck ads. Any streaming service you PAY to use shouldn't have them.
Should PS+ have ads before every game you play? Would you "understand it" if they did? This is one of the reasons people are reluctant to jump fully into disc-less entertainment, because companies will try and shove ads down our throat.
DOWN WITH ADS! YES TO THE CONTENT I AM PAYING FOR!!