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Pacific Rim |OT| Apocalypse Never
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I saw the movie two nights in a row (loved it both times!), and I think there's another layer to this...
She's formed a pretty negative impression of Raleigh from the data files that she's been studying (which she blurts out when he asks her what she thinks of him). He tends to bend, and break, the orders that he's been given, and she's obviously been raised to live an ordered, 'by the book' life.
When she actually meets him in person, she's taken aback by the fact that he's good looking (She probably expected that since he's been on the wall that he'd kind of let himself go), has abilities she's not aware of (speaking Japanese), and is much nicer/more empathic than she would have expected (he's genuinely impressed by her scores on the simulator andencourages her to be a candidate).
As a result, she's instantly more intrigued by him than she would have been, especially since she still hopes to pilot Gipsy with him.
When she actually meets him in person, she's taken aback by the fact that he's good looking (She probably expected that since he's been on the wall that he'd kind of let himself go), has abilities she's not aware of (speaking Japanese), and is much nicer/more empathic than she would have expected (he's genuinely impressed by her scores on the simulator andencourages her to be a candidate).
As a result, she's instantly more intrigued by him than she would have been, especially since she still hopes to pilot Gipsy with him.
Just don't like how common that pairing is in comparison to other interracial pairings, reflected and propagated by films. I do believe there is an unpleasant racial aspect to this. This isn't the thread for this discussion, though and perhaps I shouldn't have brought it up first.
Starsunder
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Saw it about an hour ago, thought it was awesome. Wish it would do better than it has so far at the BO.
I liked it because it gave me more background on the cast, but I hated the discrepancy with the artwork.
I bought the Shinkawa poster off ebay late last night haha. Getting the feeling I'll be buying a bunch of PR crap at Comic Con.
Agreed about your first point. I hate under water sequences and I also hate when arms (or whatever) get ripped off and they have to "overcome". I'd rather just see a kick ass fair fight like we saw I Hong Kong. That's what made that so great. It was toe to toe and brutal as hell. Once the arm got ripped off I was pulled right out of it. I also loved watching the monsters jump around. The swimming really fast thing did nothing for me.
And, lol, I had the same reaction to the sword. They definitely should've pulled that out waaaaayyyyyy earlier. But it was still a cool moment. I saw it as a last resort type of thing but it should've broken or something to show that it was flawed.
And, lol, I had the same reaction to the sword. They definitely should've pulled that out waaaaayyyyyy earlier. But it was still a cool moment. I saw it as a last resort type of thing but it should've broken or something to show that it was flawed.
ColonelColon
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No, I'm with you. I even thought the action scenes were really disappointing. I couldn't see shit.
To the people who didn't like this - It's okay, some people are just incapable of having fun and enjoying a movie.
You can go on twitter and be in good company with Scott C Jones from electronic playground who I think... maybe hated this movie ? I don't know.
There are certainly flaws here , if you dislike giant robots, power rangers, godzilla and mecha anime then chances are pretty high you won't find something to enjoy here.
It's a personal reaction on my part to say you "hate fun" obviously but to each his own. I know these forums went apeshit years ago for the movie WANTED with Angelina Jolie and I found that was a steaming turd of a film. So really, it's perfectly ok to not like a movie most of your peers enjoy, just be aware that you will always be on the defensive should you hold an unpopular opinion.
Another one of mine ? I think every superman movie is crap , man of steel is the best one ever made but it's still just the least offensive turd among a heaping pile.
You can go on twitter and be in good company with Scott C Jones from electronic playground who I think... maybe hated this movie ? I don't know.
There are certainly flaws here , if you dislike giant robots, power rangers, godzilla and mecha anime then chances are pretty high you won't find something to enjoy here.
It's a personal reaction on my part to say you "hate fun" obviously but to each his own. I know these forums went apeshit years ago for the movie WANTED with Angelina Jolie and I found that was a steaming turd of a film. So really, it's perfectly ok to not like a movie most of your peers enjoy, just be aware that you will always be on the defensive should you hold an unpopular opinion.
Another one of mine ? I think every superman movie is crap , man of steel is the best one ever made but it's still just the least offensive turd among a heaping pile.
Cameron122
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Maybe I'm just comparing him to anime protagonists, but I really liked Raleigh! He was written as a nice person who knew what hebwas capable of. Not overly brooding or insecure like Shinji or some Gundam pilots.
Just saw the movie last night, so I decided to sleep on it before I posted what I thought.
In short, I thought it was exactly what it needed to be: a badass, giant robots vs. giant monsters film with no funny business. Leave it to Del Toro to provide something so deliciously enjoyable to watch. Before every Kaiju fight I just knew I was in for a treat, and I was not disappointed in the slightest.
I think a lot of people took the acting too seriously, when it was meant to be this wacky movie with all of these living caricatures. I thought Ron Perlman and Charlie Day especially did a great job. I'd gladly see it again.
In short, I thought it was exactly what it needed to be: a badass, giant robots vs. giant monsters film with no funny business. Leave it to Del Toro to provide something so deliciously enjoyable to watch. Before every Kaiju fight I just knew I was in for a treat, and I was not disappointed in the slightest.
I think a lot of people took the acting too seriously, when it was meant to be this wacky movie with all of these living caricatures. I thought Ron Perlman and Charlie Day especially did a great job. I'd gladly see it again.
If Kaiju came in from the pacific humanity is fucked. Completely fucked, we won't even get the chance to make robots. We'll either nuke the planet into a nuclear holocaust or get completely steamrolled lol.
Considering his love for Godzilla I think he would definitely appreciate the film.
Yup. I've found out about many a great monster movie due to his usual October Monster Madness feature.
Unless governments are holding secret alien tech, yeah we would be pretty much fucked.
Terrible Majesty
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Fellowship Canadian gaffers I was able to buy a yoji Shinkawa poster. Just search pacific rim regal on that popular auction site. I got it for a total of 22$ which Imo is not too shabby
Does it help that said pairing
isn't overtly romantic? At most, Mako is physically attracted to Raleigh, but we never see their bond go in that direction. It just seems like they have some mutual respect for each other.
I agree that it's a tiresome trope.
I had actually read on GAF before seeing the film myself that the soundtrack was horrible. I was dumbfounded after the film that someone could even think that.
freenudemacusers
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yeah, I actually appreciated the spoilered. I was afraid it was going down that road.
My cousin was able to secure one for me in he U.S. Little small but still a great poster.
The one criticism I can sympathize with is that a couple of tracks are very reminiscent of his Iron Man work, but I think the soundtrack worked very well in context. It's not something I would listen to regularly, but the main theme is OK; far from horrible overall.
Machine
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I know at least a dozen white males with Asian female wives. I guess I am desensitized to it because I encounter it so much in real life.
The Technomancer
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Its fine that it sounds like Iron Man, they both have similar mechanical aesthetics that the soundtrack works in harmony with. Its actually really impressive.
Honestly, the conventional weaponry we saw in the movie is little to what we actually have. ALSO, why do movies always depict f-22s as dogfighters? They are long range fighters, jesus christ. Only thing I hated about the movie, everything else was great
Yea it didn't bother me, as long as both are recognizable on their own. I know composers do that not because they lack ideas, but because they like adding a signature to the scores. But some people don't enjoy those similarities I guess.
Cow Mengde
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Awesome movie. I saw it in 3D. Looks very nice.
Yeah, I know I've met about that many over my lifetime too. It is safe and an easy sell.
It has been said before in other ways, but Bay destroyed my childhood, while del Toro rebuilt it.
Anyway, if you're even a little interested go see this.
Until then enjoy this Ramin Djawadi's fantastic theme!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpuhWD4mjUY#t=1m38s
Should have gotten Will Smith and made him a hot blooded male lead like you see in some mecha anime. Have Will Smith have he's own finishing move, something akin to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZjSxRCiqg
Boom 600 mil at the box office worldwide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZjSxRCiqg
Boom 600 mil at the box office worldwide.
Just watched it and found it very enjoyable!
Without going into details, the plot/characters really are so very textbook, with it never ever deviating from that consistent 6/10 category. While not great, this also means it never becomes nearly as cringy-worthy as it could have been, short of the whole apocalypse speech.
If you have any inkling of emotional connection to playing with robot figurines and going "boom-boom-bang-bang" with them as a little kid, you should probably go watch this movie; it's literally your childhood nostalgia cranked up with about $200 million of kick-ass action
Without going into details, the plot/characters really are so very textbook, with it never ever deviating from that consistent 6/10 category. While not great, this also means it never becomes nearly as cringy-worthy as it could have been, short of the whole apocalypse speech.
If you have any inkling of emotional connection to playing with robot figurines and going "boom-boom-bang-bang" with them as a little kid, you should probably go watch this movie; it's literally your childhood nostalgia cranked up with about $200 million of kick-ass action
Sending a nuke
to the portal to go to the other side
Any physical, fire, or energy/electrical damage that was inflicted in the movie by Jaegers can be inflicted much more effectively by aircraft and bombs, so in real life, we'd just bomb the fuck out of them. And LOL at F-22's using their 30mm Air to Air cannon to damage Kaiju, all you need is B52's and hundreds of bombs and that fucker is dead. So in a real life Kaiju attack, the world's militaries would do just fine.
I also noticed some low-res textures on the Kaiju in the San Francisco attack scene that we've all seen in the trailers, not apparent in the Youtube trailer, but I noticed it on the big screen.
Edit: Oh God, wrong thread:
But as I said, the special effects and set pieces were top notch, and scenes heavy in those departments were appropriately entertaining. I basically found the film to be a soulless, mindless blockbuster action film, albeit with a middle portion that unfortunately strays away from that label. I did enjoy the film despite having many issues with it, but my feelings towards it stop short of considering it a quality film. It's simply not IMO, and if I were to rate it, it'd be something like 2 out of 4 stars.
- I wasn't a fan of the cinematography outside of the action set pieces. It's sort of hard to explain but everything not involving the Jaegers looked really cheap and cheesy from a purely cinematographic point of view. It almost had the look of a mishmash of a Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Yoshihiro Nishimura film, which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but that type of visual fidelity didn't jive with the tone and scope of the film. Most of the indoor and city scenes reminded me of the Troll Market scene in Hellboy 2, or basically a set that looks and feels like a set. I've used this comparison in the past, but the sets almost came off as those movie themed sets found at a theme park, or basically a noticeably cheaper looking version of the real thing. As a result, I really couldn't engage or throw myself into the world as much as I liked.
- I know there was a huge anime influence within the film, and for many people it's a drawing point, but I felt Del Toro stayed too faithful in that regard. Both from a visual and narrative standpoint. In a lot of ways, he made a 1:1 literal translation of an anime to live action, and like all films sharing that methodology before it, it just looks ridiculous and unnatural. And if you're going to go in that direction, you've got to make it a blanket decision and ensure that you maintain that quality through out. Pacific Rim did not. The Jaeger headquarters and Hong Kong were heavily stylized and cartoonish in their execution, while other cities and the Jaeger/Kaiju's themselves were very much realistic in their depiction. Some characters like the Russian Jaeger pilots and Gottlieb (the dude with the cane) were extremely cartoonish/anime like in their appearance, delivery and mannerisms, while everyone else in the movie were completely normal and straight faced in their performances. The film couldn't decide if it wanted to be hammy, dramatic/straight faced or comedic, and it often drifted in between those different states with little success at times IMO. The performances ranged from mediocre to phoned in, which is quite the feat considering the level of acting talent within the film. Basically, Del Toro tried to squeeze to many inspirations into one movie, and he really needed to select one cohesive tone and visual look, and ensure that his film embodied them through out.
- The film was pretty confused tonally as well. It seemed one part Starship Troopers, one part anime and one part action blockbuster, and the film never quite managed to combine the three into a single cohesive experience. Not only did the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes and everything else seem like they were from completely different films in a visual sense, but that phenomenon was heightened with the tonal differences. The transitions between the two states were much too jarring, and as I said, I think that's a consequence of Del Toro drawing from so many inspirations in crafting the film.
- It's becoming a common theme at this point, but I thought the movie as a whole was mediocre or worst outside of the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes. That's perfectly fine, except for the fact that the entire middle portion of the film is basically absent of them. I enjoyed the first and final acts of them, mostly due to the quality set pieces, but the middle act was a boring mess. This is mostly due to a screenplay that was thoroughly mediocre. The characters lacked depth, and I struggled to really give a shit about any of them. They were generic and undeveloped at the beginning, and remained so for the duration of the film. Their interactions with each other are rudimentary at best, and insultingly basic at worst, and like the characters themselves, remain static for the long haul. I thought it was telling that I as a viewer was completely fine with the idea of all of them potentially dying off at the very end. There was little to no emotional attachment on my end. The narrative itself was just as pedestrian, and honestly, it's about as complex and competent as the Shounens it was inspired by. It's basically "Here's an excuse for Giant Robots and Godzilla like creatures to fight, now shut the fuck up and watch it happen." That's about as deep as it gets. There's not really any themes to be found, no interesting subplots, no inner transformations within a character, no elevations to the character's relationships with each other, etc. Nothing. Just giant fucking robots versus Godzilla like creatures, and a half-bakednarrative excuse under which to do so. And the dialog... there's not much to say outside of the fact that it was terrible. I've always believed that a film's script should be judged by whether it would remain entertaining if stripped of its visual component, and can anyone here say with a straight face that the script would do just that if stripped of its $200 million coat?
- I know there was a huge anime influence within the film, and for many people it's a drawing point, but I felt Del Toro stayed too faithful in that regard. Both from a visual and narrative standpoint. In a lot of ways, he made a 1:1 literal translation of an anime to live action, and like all films sharing that methodology before it, it just looks ridiculous and unnatural. And if you're going to go in that direction, you've got to make it a blanket decision and ensure that you maintain that quality through out. Pacific Rim did not. The Jaeger headquarters and Hong Kong were heavily stylized and cartoonish in their execution, while other cities and the Jaeger/Kaiju's themselves were very much realistic in their depiction. Some characters like the Russian Jaeger pilots and Gottlieb (the dude with the cane) were extremely cartoonish/anime like in their appearance, delivery and mannerisms, while everyone else in the movie were completely normal and straight faced in their performances. The film couldn't decide if it wanted to be hammy, dramatic/straight faced or comedic, and it often drifted in between those different states with little success at times IMO. The performances ranged from mediocre to phoned in, which is quite the feat considering the level of acting talent within the film. Basically, Del Toro tried to squeeze to many inspirations into one movie, and he really needed to select one cohesive tone and visual look, and ensure that his film embodied them through out.
- The film was pretty confused tonally as well. It seemed one part Starship Troopers, one part anime and one part action blockbuster, and the film never quite managed to combine the three into a single cohesive experience. Not only did the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes and everything else seem like they were from completely different films in a visual sense, but that phenomenon was heightened with the tonal differences. The transitions between the two states were much too jarring, and as I said, I think that's a consequence of Del Toro drawing from so many inspirations in crafting the film.
- It's becoming a common theme at this point, but I thought the movie as a whole was mediocre or worst outside of the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes. That's perfectly fine, except for the fact that the entire middle portion of the film is basically absent of them. I enjoyed the first and final acts of them, mostly due to the quality set pieces, but the middle act was a boring mess. This is mostly due to a screenplay that was thoroughly mediocre. The characters lacked depth, and I struggled to really give a shit about any of them. They were generic and undeveloped at the beginning, and remained so for the duration of the film. Their interactions with each other are rudimentary at best, and insultingly basic at worst, and like the characters themselves, remain static for the long haul. I thought it was telling that I as a viewer was completely fine with the idea of all of them potentially dying off at the very end. There was little to no emotional attachment on my end. The narrative itself was just as pedestrian, and honestly, it's about as complex and competent as the Shounens it was inspired by. It's basically "Here's an excuse for Giant Robots and Godzilla like creatures to fight, now shut the fuck up and watch it happen." That's about as deep as it gets. There's not really any themes to be found, no interesting subplots, no inner transformations within a character, no elevations to the character's relationships with each other, etc. Nothing. Just giant fucking robots versus Godzilla like creatures, and a half-baked
But as I said, the special effects and set pieces were top notch, and scenes heavy in those departments were appropriately entertaining. I basically found the film to be a soulless, mindless blockbuster action film, albeit with a middle portion that unfortunately strays away from that label. I did enjoy the film despite having many issues with it, but my feelings towards it stop short of considering it a quality film. It's simply not IMO, and if I were to rate it, it'd be something like 2 out of 4 stars.
I expected the ID4 "Weclome to Earth" clip.
Left disappointed (because it would been fitting, redoing that scene with Smith in a Jaeger and a Kaiju coming out of the water the same way the alien came out of the mist).
Speaking of anime inspirations, I was pleased to see this image on /r/evangelion. Granted, we don't see this comparison as much nowadays but it's nice to know that not everyone is saying, "movie wuz great, basically live action eva yay"
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Thank God. The last thing we need is a live action Evangelion.
SJRB
Gold Member
No shame in that. I ordered one off of ebay as well.
Also - this thread has turned into a minefield. The movie premieres this Thursday, I'm not coming back until I've seen it.
I'M STILL HYPED
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Hell yeah I bought the main gipsy danger theme, it's going on my workout playlist. So badass.
killertofu
Member
Watched it again today at 4. Theatre was packed 
Johnlenham
Member
Was glad I skipped everything but the first trailer and all the gifs, hong kong was siiiiiick
GuitarAtomik
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Thanks. I literally have it open to buy in another tab right now.
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