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[BassForever]

I'm actualy kind of worried for Wii-U because of similar reasons, assuming of course it gets the legendary support some are speculating. Holiday season or not, I don't see how a console that has been out for a few months can sustain the number of big titles claimed to be heading its way this fall.

Maybe not from 3rd party titles (cause this is a Nintendo platform) but from first party software as long as Nintendo gets out NSMBWU or another one of their big franchises during the launch window it'll least have one game that will stay in all 3 regions sales charts for months.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

The problem for Vita is that sales for the vast majority of games will be pitiful, exaggerated by the size of the line-up and by Uncharted/Fifa monopolising sales amongst new people buying the system.

The launch was obviously meant for Christmas, which would boosted sales amongst the lesser titles. Missing Christmas in the West has meant the size of the line-up has worked against it in the eyes of publishers. I doubt they are too happy.

I would be more worried about the 3DS. So many third party games have done utter shite-all in the first year of release, meaning a lot of publishers will probably be questioning the platform.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's by no accounts a huge success. Or even really a success at all.

But consider that Street Fighter X Tekken seems to have sold less than 25K to a potential userbase of over 6M.

It's all a bit worrying really.

You have just a few franchises at blockbuster level, and then there's everything else way below.

 

[SmokyDave]

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's by no accounts a huge success. Or even really a success at all.

But consider that Street Fighter X Tekken seems to have sold less than 25K to a potential userbase of over 6M.

Sales just seem poor in general. The one ray of light this week is ME3.

Is it a ray of light, or is it further indication that the console market is streamlining down to a handful of viable blockbuster franchises and a whole lot of bomba's?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Is it a ray of light, or is it further indication that the console market is streamlining down to a handful of viable blockbuster franchises and a whole lot of bomba's?

Fair point and I agree - it's not looking healthy. I was really just referring to it as the one silver lining in a chart full of bombas - in a series of charts full of bombas in fact.

I can't really fathom the cause of such a precipitous sofware collapse - is it really just end of gen fatigue? If so is the Wii-U the solution?

 

[BassForever]

Is it a ray of light, or is it further indication that the console market is streamlining down to a handful of viable blockbuster franchises and a whole lot of bomba's?

Only if we decide that all games need to sell blockbuster numbers to not be bombas. If every game is compared to CoD/Fifa/Mario sales then 90% of all games released are bombas because they don't sell millions of units worldwide.

 

[Hammer24]

Is it a ray of light, or is it further indication that the console market is streamlining down to a handful of viable blockbuster franchises and a whole lot of bomba's?

I´d say thats more to the point.
It makes no sense to discuss what entry is the bigger/biggest bomba, while the whole market goes to shreds. Combined with the numbers its simply pityfull all around.

 

[liger05]

I would be more worried about the 3DS. So many third party games have done utter shite-all in the first year of release, meaning a lot of publishers will probably be questioning the platform.

I think 3rd party publishers need to start taking responsibility. It was the same with the DS where they seem to think games will just sell just because they are on a nintendo handheld. So many are released with no real promotion and then complain when they dont sell.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Only if we decide that all games need to sell blockbuster numbers to not be bombas. If every game is compared to CoD/Fifa/Mario sales then 90% of all games released are bombas because they don't sell millions of units worldwide.

Games development is more expensive than ever, and this blockbuster approach has also meant a game's worth is decided by production values. The more you pour into development, the more you have to sell, and you have to pour it in or the worry is it won't sell.

The side-effect of this is the franchises that are getting the sales get an increased focus and mindshare, pushed by the publishers more because of their importance to recoup not only the cost of their development but also every other game that lost money. It's a vicious circle.

The film industry works on a blockbuster model of a few big films a year that everyone wants to see but that market is big enough to support lesser films all year round. And the barrier to entry a lot lower for people to see them as well.

The approach of the games industry is about as unhealthy as the economy, it's not a good mix.

 

[The Emperor]

People need to seriously stop using the word "bomba" so loosely.

Almost every other game is being called BOMBA BOMA BOMBA in all the sales age threads.

 

[Roxas]

People need to seriously stop using the word "bomba" so loosely.

Almost every other game is being called BOMBA BOMA BOMBA in all the sales age threads.

I think in the case of MGS3D, it is acceptable. Not even in the top 40...i'd be surprised if it sold more than 1000-1500 copies.

 

[liger05]

I think in the case of MGS3D, it is acceptable. Not even in the top 40...i'd be surprised if it sold more than 1000-1500 copies.

Did Game stock it? I was in there on friday and am certain I never saw it.

 

[Mpl90]

I think 3rd party publishers need to start taking responsibility. It was the same with the DS where they seem to think games will just sell just because they are on a nintendo handheld. So many are released with no real promotion and then complain when they dont sell.

Agreed. And things such as Revelations and Mario & Sonic ( third party games ) appeared in charts / are still appearing. Ubisoft also said they've been really satisfied by Rayman and Rabbids sales after their price has been slashed. I mean, if we really expect things such as Tales of the Abyss, which had a very low shipment as reported and belonging to a brand which had as best result in the last years an appearance in the last places with Vesperia...

But, in any cases, it seems to me that UK isn't so open to handled games right now, especially compared to other European countries, or compared to USA, with all the right proportions. I mean, in January the second best SKU in sales for Skylanders has been the 3DS one.

 

[DECK'ARD]

People need to seriously stop using the word "bomba" so loosely.

Almost every other game is being called BOMBA BOMA BOMBA in all the sales age threads.

Trouble is with the money it's taken to make them, they probably are in a lot of cases.

Syndicate being the notable one at the moment.

 

[John Dunbar]

edit: wrong thread

 

[BKK]

SFIV did around 98k first week, so <25k for SFXT should be considered a "bomba" IMO. Don't have Tekken 6 first week, but PS3 version achieved ELSPA Silver (100k) after 2 months.

 

[liger05]

SFIV did around 98k first week, so <25k for SFXT should be considered a "bomba" IMO. Don't have Tekken 6 first week, but PS3 version achieved ELSPA Silver (100k) after 2 months.

That is a huge difference but beat em ups generally dont sell.

 

[Mpl90]

BKK, we can finally have a good estimate for Uncharted highest debut possible, since ME3 did more than some games, GA included, combined, and since ME2 did apparently 90k, doubling the debut of the first.

EDIT: Mmmmh

Sales of &#8216;Mass Effect 2&#8217; on Xbox 360 are almost double that achieved first time round and three times higher on PC

We don't know how much the first sold, right?

 

[thehypocrite]

I think that's being used loosely cause we don't even have digital sales reports for PC, PSN, XBLA, etc.

 

[DECK'ARD]

That is a huge difference but beat em ups generally dont sell.

Capcom are in the process of killing the genre again by over-saturation.

If you have a niche audience you have to give them titles at the correct interval, you don't give them something they've eagerly awaited and then try and move them onto the next one, and then the next one.

They are making all the same mistakes as last time.

 

[AranhaHunter]

1 (–) Mass Effect 3 (15+)
Xbox 360 (73) PS3 (14) PC (8)

Well.....that's embarrassing. No point releasing it on PS3 really, at least not in the UK.

I don't know if we can consider so good the software sales of Vita after the launch. Except for Uncharted and FIFA, all the other games fell sharply outside or near the bottom of the chart ( Rayman ). Certainly, FIFA and Unchy can be considered as the go-to-games for a platform which had a bad debut, but an high tie ratio for these two games.

LOL WTF? Who uses Unchy to describe Uncharted?

I think 3rd party publishers need to start taking responsibility. It was the same with the DS where they seem to think games will just sell just because they are on a nintendo handheld. So many are released with no real promotion and then complain when they dont sell.

This is the problem here when 3rd party games bomb on Nintendo systems. It's always the same thing. Either the effort or market wasn't there, or the previous games weren't there so the current iteration didn't sell because of that and so on. It can't possibly be that the audience is not interested in those type of games in that system, no way.

 

[BKK]

Mass Effect 2 360 launched last week in Jan 2010, with 90k in Jan 2010 chart (upweighted from 90% to 100% makes 100k first week).

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=781&s=1111

Original ‘Mass Effect’ (highest chart position on this chart No12) was a staged release having debuted in week 47, 2007 on Xbox 360 (at No2 on the Xbox 360 Full Price Chart, held off by the 2nd week of Ubisoft’s ‘Assassin’s Creed’) and then in week 23, 2008 on PC (again No2, held off by a 3rd consecutive week for Eidos’ ‘Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures’). Sales of ‘Mass Effect 2’ on Xbox 360 are almost double that achieved first time round and three times higher on PC.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/feb/01/video-games-chart-top10

ME2 360 (88%) - 100k
ME2 ALL (100%) - 114k
ME2 PC (12%) - 14k

So, almost 150k for ME1+ME2 360, +14k for ME2 PC. ME3 = >160k

 

[Erethian]

Seems the UK market of late is an even more exaggerated case than the US, in that some big releases do really well while everything else is a wasteland.

Which isn't surprising, in a down market people are going to go for known quantities.

 

[Mpl90]

Mass Effect 2 360 launched last week in Jan 2010, with 90k in Jan 2010 chart (upweighted from 90% to 100% makes 100k first week).

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=781&s=1111



http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/feb/01/video-games-chart-top10

ME2 360 (88%) - 100k
ME2 ALL (100%) - 114k
ME2 PC (12%) - 14k

So, almost 150k for ME1+ME2 360, +14k for ME2 PC. ME3 = >160k

ME2 on PC charted 32nd in its debut week ( released on 6th June, 2008 ), so it will be something like 175-180k as highest number possible.

 

[jonno394]

I Just bought MGS3D online, i'm doing my part....

 

[BKK]

ME2 on PC charted 32nd in its debut week ( released on 6th June, 2008 ), so it will be something like 175-180k as highest number possible.

You mean ME1 right? ME1 PC did around 5k first week, but it isn't really relevant to Chart-Track's comment about ME3 first week beating ME1+ME2 first weeks combined. That comment is about the All Formats chart, and ME1 PC wasn't out for ME1 first All Formats week.

 

[Mpl90]

You mean ME1 right? ME1 PC did around 5k first week, but it isn't really relevant to Chart-Track's comment about ME3 first week beating ME1+ME2 first weeks combined. That comment is about the All Formats chart, and ME1 PC wasn't out for ME1 first All Formats week.

Yeah, I meant ME1 XD
Ah, so we have only something like 165k for ME3's estimate right now ( 150k + 14k ).
Sooo

ME3 > SSX + Uncharted: GA + UFC Undisputed 3 + Kingdom of Amalur: Reconing

WK7/P1 UFC UNDISPUTED 3 ~33k
WK6/P1 KINGDOMS OF AMALUR: RECKONING <30k

...Damn, we don't know how much SSX did XD

 

[Twister Flipper]

Italy:
1) COD: Modern Warfare 3 (PS3)
2) FIFA 12 (PS3)
3) Just Dance 3 (Wii)
4) Mario Party 9 (Wii)
5) Mario Kart 7 (3DS)
6) Uncharted 3: L'Inganno di Drake (PS3)
7) Uncharted: L'Abisso D'Oro (PSV)
8) GranTurismo 5 (PS3)
9) Mario & Sonic ai Giochi Olimpici di Londra 2012 (3DS)
10) Kirby's Adventure (Wii)

http://multiplayer.it/notizie/10039...iche-italiane-modern-warfare-torna-primo.html


Italy February 2012:
1) Just Dance 3 (Wii)
2) COD: Modern Warfare 3 (PS3)
3) Uncharted 3: L'Inganno di Drake (PS3)
4) FIFA 12 (PS3)
5) Kirby's Adventure (Wii)
6) Mario Kart 7 (3DS)
7) Uncharted: L'Abisso D'Oro (PSV)
8) Wii Play Motion + Wii Remote Plus (Wii)
9) GranTurismo 5 (PS3)
10) Super Mario 3D Land (3DS)

http://multiplayer.it/notizie/100396-le-classifiche-italiane-per-il-mese-di-febbraio.html

 

[Floex]

Trouble is with the money it's taken to make them, they probably are in a lot of cases.

Syndicate being the notable one at the moment.

In the case of Syndicate, it shouldn't have left the drawing board. If EA let Starbreeze create their game under a different banner, I'm sure it would have done better sales wise. When hardcore gamers arn't even excited about the product then what hope does it have on the market?

Plus, it shows not everything has to be an FPS for it to succeed. In this case I'm actually relieved to see this fail in the charts. Hopefully EA will look back on this and go 'let's do the Syndicate name justice and correct this mistake'

 

[Sheikh]

OK, does anyone know where's Dabra?!


MMMAAANNN!

again, thats just UK

ps3 version of ME3 will easily outsell x360 version when all the charts are up in the PAL region. It is just and perhaps only UK where the tables were turned

That must explain why the PS3 is in last place. Although tbf, the PS3 is still way too expensive in the UK.

PS3 is in the last place in NA . In Asia and PAL it has comfortably outsold x360 and the margin will get bigger when the ps3 drops below 200 quid

 

[Eternia]

UK being so top heavy is a shame. They're really being selective with their choices.

again, thats just UK

ps3 version of ME3 will easily outsell x360 version when all the charts are up . It is just and perhaps only UK where the tables were turned

So? It doesn't change what happened in UK. You don't have to beat the "PS3 is awesome" drum in every other thread as it really brings nothing...

 

[BKK]

Yeah, I meant ME1 XD
Ah, so we have only something like 165k for ME3's estimate right now ( 150k + 14k ).
Sooo

ME3 > SSX + Uncharted: GA + UFC Undisputed 3 + Kingdom of Amalur: Reconing

WK7/P1 UFC UNDISPUTED 3 ~33k
WK6/P1 KINGDOMS OF AMALUR: RECKONING <30k

...Damn, we don't know how much SSX did XD

SSX - <54k, UC:GA - <36k, but I don't think it really matters, pretty sure all those combined sold less than ME1+ME2.

 

[BKK]

again, thats just UK

ps3 version of ME3 will easily outsell x360 version when all the charts are up in the PAL region. It is just and perhaps only UK where the tables were turned

Doubt that, I wouldn't be surprised to see 360 version on top in rest of Europe too, we already saw that last week in Netherlands. First game never got released on PS3, and second was a late port, so it's hardly surprising.

 

[DECK'ARD]

In the case of Syndicate, it shouldn't have left the drawing board. If EA let Starbreeze create their game under a different banner, I'm sure it would have done better sales wise. When hardcore gamers arn't even excited about the product then what hope does it have on the market?

Plus, it shows not everything has to be an FPS for it to succeed. In this case I'm actually relieved to see this fail in the charts. Hopefully EA will look back on this and go 'let's do the Syndicate name justice and correct this mistake'

I think this is the last you'll see of Syndicate unfortunately.

Such an odd name to attach to it. It would need heavy marketing to most people who wouldn't have heard of it, which it didn't get. And those who do remember it would automatically be turned off by it being so different.

 

[Jokeropia]

This is the problem here when 3rd party games bomb on Nintendo systems. It's always the same thing. Either the effort or market wasn't there, or the previous games weren't there so the current iteration didn't sell because of that and so on. It can't possibly be that the audience is not interested in those type of games in that system, no way.

You can't make sweeping statements on this matter since every game is a unique case. Additionally, the audience of a system is built by the games released on it, and this is especially true in the first few years.

In either case, 3DS is doing a-ok in Japan which is by far the most important market for third party handheld support.

 

[Bruno MB]

08 (NE) [360] Street Fighter X Tekken (Capcom) - <13K
09 (NE) [PS3] Street Fighter X Tekken (Capcom) - <12K

Very low figures, Capcom is milking the cow as much as they possibly can.

Street Fighter IV, Super Street Fighter IV, Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition, Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and now Street Fighter X Tekken.

Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D sold what it deserved. Publishers cannot expect to sell their products without advertising campaigns and very low print runs. Last Saturday I went to the shopping center and there only was a single unit of this game. There wasn't a single copy of Resident Evil: Revelations (standard version) and I managed to find three hidden units of the game bundled with the Circle Pad Pro. They were behind a column, on the lower shelf, and it was almost impossible to find them. Of course, you could see tons of Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, Nintendogs + Cats and Sonic Generations games.

 

[AranhaHunter]

You can't make sweeping statements on this matter since every game is a unique case. Additionally, the audience of a system is built by the games released on it, and this is especially true in the first few years.

I'm talking about things that I've seen people say on forums when 3rd party games bomb on Nintendo systems.

In either case, 3DS is doing a-ok in Japan which is by far the most important market for third party handheld support.

Not the point I was trying to make and surely you mean Japanese third party handheld support.

 

[fernoca]

Interesting, seeing Mario Party 9 going doing in positioning but up in sales. Well deserved too, the game is a blast and different enough to the previous ones.

 

[jman2050]

Not the point I was trying to make and surely you mean Japanese third party handheld support.

"Japanese third party handheld support" might as well be equivalent to handheld support at large.

 

[Four_Chamber]

Absolutely MASSIVE discrepancy between 360 and PS3 with Mass Effect, more than FF XIII I venture. The WRPG and JRPG bases are divided between the two consoles and its clear the WRPG crowd is mainly situated on the 360 and JRPG on the triple.

Love seeing ME3 succeed, can't wait to play it myself

 

[AranhaHunter]

"Japanese third party handheld support" might as well be equivalent to handheld support at large.

Not if you have an iOS device....but that's OT.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Wow, here in Italy Resi:R (and also Tekken 3D, especially on MTV) got a pretty big push with the tv ads kicking in full force circa 10 days ago, if it fails to show up next week again then my last bastion of hope is gone. I feel bad the game also NEVER (?) charted in the UK and pulled very low numbers on NPD, despite YOY software numbers going downhill.
Didn't expect to see MGS3D either, sent out to die, but I'm still disappointed since I like that the 3DS is offering a much bigger genre of games catered to both gaming on the go and console-like experiences, especially when compared to the DS but damn I fear we will not see many of the latter if this is how's going to be.

I'd at least expected Resi to pull semi-decent numbers. :/

 

[Mpl90]

Wow, here in Italy Resi:R (and also Tekken 3D, especially on MTV) got a pretty big push with the tv ads kicking in full force circa 10 days ago, if it fails to show up next week again then my last bastion of hope is gone. I feel bad the game also NEVER (?) charted in the UK and pulled very low numbers on NPD, despite YOY software numbers going downhill.
Didn't expect to see MGS3D either, sent out to die, but I'm still disappointed since I like that the 3DS is offering a much bigger genre of games catered to both gaming on the go and console-like experiences, especially when compared to the DS but damn I fear we will not see many of the latter if this is how's going to be.

I'd at least expected Resi to pull semi-decent numbers. :/

Wait. Revelations charted 1st in its debut week in UK, and 1st or still at the highest positions of almost every European chart. Then, it saw a sharp drop, from 1st to 23rd in UK...and then out of top 40 the week after. It appeared, even at the top.

 

[test_account]

Well.....that's embarrassing. No point releasing it on PS3 really, at least not in the UK.

Hard to say if the total amount of copies sold would be the same without the PS3 version.

 

[pieatorium]

Wait. Revelations charted 1st in its debut week in UK, and 1st or still at the highest positions of almost every European chart. Then, it saw a sharp drop, from 1st to 23rd in UK...and then out of top 40 the week after. It appeared, even at the top.

It was 6th in the all formats chart

 

[DECK'ARD]

RE:R will do ok in the long-run I think, it deserved to do better though.

It did have an advertising push in the UK, but I think they could have played up more how significant it was as an entry in the series.

Liked it much more than 5.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I Just bought MGS3D online, i'm doing my part....

What part? Supporting a shit ass port?

Ain't nobody here for that mess.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Were the sales of RE:R considered good?

Absolutely MASSIVE discrepancy between 360 and PS3 with Mass Effect, more than FF XIII I venture. The WRPG and JRPG bases are divided between the two consoles and its clear the WRPG crowd is mainly situated on the 360 and JRPG on the triple.

Love seeing ME3 succeed, can't wait to play it myself

I don't really think that's the case.

Final Fantasy has a brand association with Playstation.

While Mass Effect, as already noted, was originally a 360 exclusive that got a late port to the PS3.

All this over a backdrop where the 360 is favoured in general in the UK.

 

[Ashes]

Read PSV as PS5. Think that's deliberate.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Wait. Revelations charted 1st in its debut week in UK, and 1st or still at the highest positions of almost every European chart. Then, it saw a sharp drop, from 1st to 23rd in UK...and then out of top 40 the week after. It appeared, even at the top.

I actually missed that chart since it was during Dabra's "downtime" period before BKK took over, all I remember (now that you mention it) was #19 (iirc) on the individual formats.
Actually went to look for it and I'm glad the game did fairly decent in UK, Spain and Germany. Dunno about France, terrible performance in Italy where it seems to me that the audience for this kind of games just isn't on handhelds at all.
I'm positive the game would have done much bigger numbers if it'd have been released during the 3DS' launch window.