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Paramount Says Ghost In The Shell Flopped Because Of Whitewashing Controversy
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You may have a little bit more naivete to grow out of
Nothing saying it can't be done now
CosmicGroinPull
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Xisiqomelir
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"The Fanboys". Really.
Enjoy your flop Kyle Davies. I hope the studio heads look very closely at your bullshit performance.
Enjoy your flop Kyle Davies. I hope the studio heads look very closely at your bullshit performance.
What Besson has to with GITS ? Did you copy and paste from a previous Lucy thread ?
Yeah, not much more to add there.
He's a time traveller, posting from a Valerian thread in the near-future where that film has bombed as well.
Cameron is prescient. He knows that anime adaptation is the kiss of death.
Besson will blame the lack of ScarJo as the reason for Valerian bombing.
Not Spaceghost
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Lmfao no I was actually typing that post out when the valarian advert came on and I went into auto pilot, jeez how embarrassing. I guess the point I was trying to make was basically that there is no one behind this movie that would draw in an established fan base.
IbukiLordSA
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That's sad, very sad that people just jump on bandwagons. Movie was great and the casting was excellent, everyone played their roles well. You can't whitewash something that isn't human. A mass produced unit is now all of a sudden a whitewash, people are dumb in this day and age.
The 2 actual Japanese characters, Togusa and Aramaki were played by Asian characters. Aramaki only spoke Japanese in the movie as well.
Batou I never knew what he was so was perfectly fine with who portrayed him.
The Major was played superbly by Scarlett , doesn't matter who played the Major because the Major has never looked Asian in any of the movies.
People must really be bored.
Bring on the blu-ray release.
The 2 actual Japanese characters, Togusa and Aramaki were played by Asian characters. Aramaki only spoke Japanese in the movie as well.
Batou I never knew what he was so was perfectly fine with who portrayed him.
The Major was played superbly by Scarlett , doesn't matter who played the Major because the Major has never looked Asian in any of the movies.
People must really be bored.
Bring on the blu-ray release.
Currently rolling my eyes harder than a malfunctioning android. Or is this one of them parody posts? Hard to tell anymore.
Fried Food
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The mass audience couldn't handle an Asian lead actor. Only fanboys could deal with such exotic casting.
SuperStiltzkin
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Hollywood gonna write all their characters as emotional androids so they never gotta cast anyone of color ever again. And we can't complain cause they're robots, so it's not whitewashing.
Chaos2Frozen
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Someone please find that super racist edit of the Major.
ultratruman
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I saw it, it's better than I expected. Not very surprised it flopped, though.
bobawesome
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No, I imagine the majority of people couldn't care less about that. It was just an all around terrible movie that treated the viewer like an idiot. Ghost in the Shell: Innocence will no longer be the low point of the series.
Major, we really are the Ghost in the Shell.
Major, we really are the Ghost in the Shell.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Good thing this is only something that happend ins Ghost in the Shell, next week there will be an action movie out with a very diverse cast. If only I knew what is missing.
Oh dear, I guess this will create a huge outrage.
Yeah, Fast and Furious was a dope manga and anime series. Too bad they're not remaining true to it.
A manga in which identity is not defined through the shell and even the creator of the anime tried to explain that. After that people switched to general representation, but now we somehow switch back I guess. Well ok.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Do you even know what you're talking about right now lol
If you try to call everyone who clowned GitS for casting Johansson hypocrites if they don't call for Asian/Asian American representation in every movie from now on, you're going to look like a fucking moron.
Chaos2Frozen
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Wasn't the Asian guy one of the most popular character in Fast Furious? So much so that they wanted to do a spin off with him?
You are such a low quality poster.Good thing this is only something that happend ins Ghost in the Shell, next week there will be an action movie out with a very diverse cast. If only I knew what is missing.
Oh dear, I guess this will create a huge outrage.
Most people don't give a fuck about representation in movies. It's sad.
The whitewashing is just the tip of the iceberg. It's the "Hollywood-washing" that hurt the movie, of which whitewashing is one aspect.
Seriously, go read the synopsis and watch the trailer for this movie, and then do the same with the original. The former is full of clichés and is a very by-the-numbers revenge story, whereas the latter is mostly about philosophical issues, namely ontology. Something wasn't simply lost in translation, but completely changed and perverted to conform a tired blockbuster formula.
Granted, the movie could never become a huge success if it's true to the source material - Ghost in the Shell was never that big of a success by box office standard, after all -, but then, maybe some things were never meant to be turned into carefully calibrated money machines. Maybe GitS didn't need a live action movie adaptation with that kind of a budget. Or maybe it didn't need a live action movie adaptation at all. Crazy talk, I know.
Seriously, go read the synopsis and watch the trailer for this movie, and then do the same with the original. The former is full of clichés and is a very by-the-numbers revenge story, whereas the latter is mostly about philosophical issues, namely ontology. Something wasn't simply lost in translation, but completely changed and perverted to conform a tired blockbuster formula.
Granted, the movie could never become a huge success if it's true to the source material - Ghost in the Shell was never that big of a success by box office standard, after all -, but then, maybe some things were never meant to be turned into carefully calibrated money machines. Maybe GitS didn't need a live action movie adaptation with that kind of a budget. Or maybe it didn't need a live action movie adaptation at all. Crazy talk, I know.
You mean Han? He died already in Fast 3, then they did this strange time shift thing and somehow the other movies were prequels, but then he died again to make Jason Statham a thing.
Pretty much.
The whitewashing subplot was the cherry on top of what is already an incredibly by-the-books mediocre movie, that is not helped as it directly compares to a source material that did way more in terms of themes rather than just "Robocop" (and Robocop is good, but i'd rather go see Robocop again which is a better movie than a watered down modern version)
Chaos2Frozen
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Yeah but he's still popular right? That's the impression I got
AnathemicOne
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Hey you, yeah you. Fill out a bingo card, on me, just a friendly neighborhood asian american.
old manatee
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Good thing this is only something that happend ins Ghost in the Shell, next week there will be an action movie out with a very diverse cast. If only I knew what is missing.
Oh dear, I guess this will create a huge outrage.
Your ideas are not intriguing to me, and I would like to wipe my ass with your newsletter.
Not popular enough to not getting him killed to make room for Jason Statham. Something somehow never anybody seemed to care about.
No, I don't expect that, because it will always be very selective in their outrage, people don't even mind to contradict themselves. It was never about the movie, because when people explained in the context of the movie, it is no problem, they ignored it. Everything will be forgotten within the next few weeks and people will jump on the next train, because it is not even about the cause.
Look at the Oscar debate, how asian actors tried to mention that they are not represented as well and how that was no issue this year. People are hypocrites.
Seductivpancakes
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Does everything go over your head or do you choose to be obtuse?Good thing this is only something that happend ins Ghost in the Shell, next week there will be an action movie out with a very diverse cast. If only I knew what is missing.
Oh dear, I guess this will create a huge outrage.
Scientist Supreme!
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It's a waste of time either way. Best to just ignore him.
Really weird to bring up the new Fast & Furious film as equally problematic as GITS, since I'm pretty sure the only outright white person in the main cast is Jason Statham. Vin Diesel has alluded to having a father that was a POC numerous times in the past and identifies as one himself, while Jordana Brewster is half Brazilian. Yeah, it sucks that Han isn't a part of the cast anymore, but it's not like he got bumped off out of malice.
What did he mean by this?
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Good thing this is only something that happend ins Ghost in the Shell, next week there will be an action movie out with a very diverse cast. If only I knew what is missing.
Oh dear, I guess this will create a huge outrage.
We all miss Han bro
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Hey you, yeah you. Fill out a bingo card, on me, just a friendly neighborhood asian american.
Haha, nice!
What are the "Matt Damon", "Rinko Kikuchi" and "Lore" arguments supposed to be though?
ronaldthump
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why? Would the general populace that don't know what it is; probably not even know its a manga/anime - they'll see it for what it is; I posted in the OP that I watched the trailer2 after movie and it was actually a good trailer. Movie misfired for bad reviews + yes the controversy is real
The Broken Ska Record
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Matt Damon probably because of that Great Wall movie.
They could have made an awesome animated movie for like 40 millions bucks. Or even less. The original cost like 2 million to make.
Only in Japan.
Oh crap you're right. I had blocked that one from my memory. Out of curiosity: was it any good, despite the shameless whitewashing?
What about "Rinko Kikuchi" and "Lore" though?
I want an awesome animated movie as much as the next guy, but that's the definition of a very unsafe bet, especially if the subject is GitS. You might have an argument with Ghibli - if that -, but GitS could never live up to those financial expectations. Traditional 2D movies usually have a much harder time cracking the box office than live action/3D stuff.
GuitarAtomik
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Whitewashing isn't the correct term, but it's part of the same problem (ie gotta have a white lead no matter what).
So wait, they wanted to make an international blockbuster, asked a big Hollywood star to be in the movie, what they do since forever and that is now something negative as well?
Without Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man would have probably not worked and the whole MCU would never be, what it is today. If you want to push something you usually use a big name. Even commercials use that, for example from Michael Jackson to Tiger Woods or Tommy Lee Jones in Japanese commercials. Lost in Translation is based on this, to make this topic full circle.
xKilltheMx
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Iron Man wasn't a success because RDJ was a seat filler, he was a risk and it was said as much back then. Him as Iron Man worked because he just played himself and he played himself well. Nobody went to go see "that new RDJ" joint, they went to see Iron man.
Rinko: She's not considered a super good actress but she's always namedropped in these discussions because people know her from PacRim. This is ironic because it just highlights the invisibility of Asian American actors that people can only name one Japanese American actress off hand.
Lore: "You can't whitewash robots" or "it's explained in the story why she has to be a Japanese women inside ScarJo". The latter is basically the "1000 year old Dragon loli" of casting arguments. The former is a case of "you're missing the point"
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