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Parents question school district’s purchase of semi-automatic rifles

Dalek

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Shawnee Mission parents question school district's purchase of semi-automatic rifles

From his office at the Shawnee Mission school district administrative center, John Douglass, the district's director of safety and security, points to a sitting area in the hallway about 25 feet away.

It's the distance a trained police officer can typically shoot an assailant with accuracy, he says. Next, he points to a door farther down the hallway — a distance still much shorter than the typical hallway at a Shawnee Mission school.

”To expect that I could stop somebody with a pistol from here to there...." He doesn't finish his sentence.

Douglass cites the rising threat of active shooter situations as the reason why the district's police department has issued eight semi-automatic rifles to its district resource officers, who have operated separately from municipal police forces since 1972.

District resource officers, responsible for security across the entire district, help school resource officers, based in schools, keep students safe.

”This weapon is a very serious weapon for some very limited circumstances," said Douglass, the former chief of the Overland Park Police Department. ”You are never going to see it unless something really, really bad is happening."

Still, after a recent local report about the 2015 purchase of semi-automatic firearms, a year after Douglass took over his post, many parents learned for the first time that the district keeps these weapons at all.

The news angered some parents who were unnerved by the presence of assault weapons on school campuses. Some parents questioned their effectiveness as a safety measure.

”I don't fully believe one person with a bigger, badder gun is really going to make a huge difference in an active shooter situation in a school," parent Lisa Veglahn said. ”Why did they feel it was necessary over other types of weapons?"

Some viewed the investment as excessive at a time when teachers have classroom needs and administrative salaries have swelled. Many couldn't remember being informed or aware of the purchase in 2015.

”It's pretty offensive to me as a taxpayer to feel like you don't have any voice and you are being excluded from decisions that could harm your child or kill them," said Melissa Patt, the parent of three students in the Shawnee Mission School District. ”What else could we be spending our tax dollars on and getting the same safety results? Or is there evidence that it's worth it?"

Others saw the purchase as necessary at a time when mass killings, especially those on school campuses, have captured national attention.

”While we will continue to hope and pray that these weapons are never needed and can continue to be locked in a safe, what if they are?" Shawnee Mission parent Matt Trusty wrote in a Facebook post discussion with other parents, which he gave The Star permission to share. ”I would hope that in the event a real threat arose the person(s) deemed with keeping my children safe would have the tools and training to be able to do their job."

A semi-automatic rifle can be considered an assault-style weapon — a broad term used often to describe semi-automatics and automatic weapons used by both police and military officers. Semi-automatic rifles fire one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, while automatic weapons or machine guns continuously fire if the trigger is held down.

According to district records, in September 2015 the district ordered eight Smith & Wesson semi-automatic rifles for the seven district resource officers and one supervisor, whom Douglass oversees, on the district police force.

The purchase cost the district $5,671.04. Douglass said the most recently purchased rifles are typically kept securely in district police officers' cars. The school resource officers based in schools and employed by the city or county have also kept semi-automatic rifles securely in their cars as most patrol officers do, Douglass said.


While the Shawnee Mission School District appears to be the only school district in the metropolitan area that has purchased assault weapons, it is not the only school district whose police or resource officers have access to such firearms on a school campus.

Most local school districts, such as those in Lee's Summit and Olathe, have partnerships with police departments which arm campus police officers with weapons that any patrol officer might carry. A police force's ability to determine which weapons are appropriate is protected by law, said Laura Cutilletta, legal director for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

”The state tends to stay out of that decision and allow police chiefs to determine what's best for that force," Cutilletta said.

In Lee's Summit, school resource officers carry .40 caliber Glock pistols, spokesperson Janice Phelan confirmed. Blue Valley spokesperson Kaci Brutto said Blue Valley campus police and school officers carry the same pistol, and are not issued rifles. A Kansas City, Kan. schools spokesperson reiterated the same.

”We have never purchased or kept any long rifles or semi-automatic rifles on our campuses," said David Smith, spokesperson for Kansas City, Kan. schools. That district also has its own police force.
 

ShyMel

Member
“I don’t fully believe one person with a bigger, badder gun is really going to make a huge difference in an active shooter situation in a school,” parent Lisa Veglahn said. “Why did they feel it was necessary over other types of weapons?”
This is a pretty valid point. And I feel that this is something the parents should have known about while the purchase was being planned, not afterwards.
 

RyanW

Member
some schools need security, no school (in US) needs armed security.
This.

I definitely noticed after I graduated the school I went to has upped security. Getting a resource officer, locked doors that can only be unlocked through the main office, etc.

I thought it was a bit overboard but as long as it increases safety then I'm okay with it, especially with family being at that school
 

Volimar

Member
While this is incredibly dumb, I always hate when news talks about "semi-automatic" weapons as if loading the article with scary sounding words. People don't understand what semi-automatic means and just how many weapons are semi-automatic.

Also, this is incredibly dumb.
 

SiteSeer

Member
i was out hiking this past weekend and passed by a parks commission office that was part of the trail. i saw a suv there with a couple cops in tactical gear each with a m4-like carbine. i was shocked, but not that shocked.
 
I came into this topic thinking this would be for the ROTC program, our school had BB gun rifles for them.

This however is just madness, school shootings are over so quickly to have an armed response that has to go to an armory first to gear up.
 

WolfeTone

Member
Does any other country in the developed world have this need for armed police in schools?

Even in less developed parts of the world, this sounds absolutely crazy to me.
 
some schools need security, no school (in US) needs armed security.

The high school I attended definitely needed armed security. I'm not kidding when I say in half of my classes there was at least one student in there with a gun. A knife was always a given.
 
I can't imagine what it must be like to be a parent in the United States... This entire article comes of as completely insane to me. If you need assault rifles to protect your children in school, there is something very seriously wrong with your society.
 

John Blade

Member
Just saw this on Reddit and someone post some more info about this incident.

There seems to be an immense amount of confusion here about why the school district is buying these things. I grew up in "Shawnee Mission" so I will explain.

The "Shawnee Mission" area covers over a dozen suburbs in northeast Johnson County, Kansas, from Shawnee, KS in the west to Mission, KS in the east. All of these suburbs have their own police forces, the Shawnee Police, Mission Police, etc.

Since the school district covers all of these different areas, the district itself has it's own Police Department for their school resource officers. It employs and equips these officers, who are real LEOs with all that that implies.

They bought these long guns, just like they would buy the handcuffs, uniforms, handguns, radios, all the equipment, because they are equipping a whole police force, albeit a small, special purpose one.

Right or wrong, police having long guns in cars is not unusual. As the article notes, the neighboring large suburb of Olathe has long guns locked in their cars, including the cars of school resource officers, but this is done through the Olathe Police Department because the district is organized differently.

Shawnee Mission has a unique organization where the school district itself is buying this equipment, otherwise this purchase would never have been noticed or commented on.
 
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