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Paula Deen admits to using N-word, telling racist jokes in deposition, report says.
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Raptor2155
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Paula Deen always seemed kinda... off to me. Something about her eyes just made her look psycho.
Those Paula Deen TV shows are funny shit.
Those Paula Deen TV shows are funny shit.
Yep, they're dropping like flies. When will this anti-racism massacre end?
NYCmetsfan
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White America is a fixed concept. I didn't say White Americans purposefully.
I don't like racists in general. And that being said your post doesn't respond to anything I said and constructs a false attack I didn't make. Who is saying "white people are on notice?" All I asked for was a little more self reflection. Ending racism isn't some zero-sum game where minorities win and whites lose. In fact, that kind of attitude shows implicit knowledge of white privilege and advantage that minorities don't share and a desire to keep it that way..
I don't view racism only through the predominant (white) view in america that only acts done expressly because of a persons race are racist.
Racism is a pervasive idea that quietly shapes the norms, desires, culture, image of a country in a direction that reflects the white (or whatever the race may be) norm, it marginalizes, criticizes and belittles those that don't share in it. I don't think racism has gone away at all. Its changed (though obviously many aspects have gotten better, ex. no more of the publicly condoned lynchings and segregation)
stupid ass black people going to her restaurant, defending her and shit. get the fuck out of here. they disgust me.
You don't have to say it. White people are absolutely on notice when it comes to race. It may not be talked about openly, but if you even venture into that grey area that's it. It's over for you. Labeled and destroyed. Not much will happen to you if you are bigoted against whites, in fact many whites are self-deprecating when it comes to these matters.
Racism shouldn't have to exist, but it does, and the reason it does is because we don't trust one another with our livelihood.
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This is such an ignorant post. Good god.
Thank you for your insightful rebuttal.
It's just not fair man...
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You're essentially complaining that white people aren't allowed to be openly racist. That you're even concerned about it makes me think the thoughts are there. Yeah, minorities are hostle to white people at times, but sometimes it's hard to blame them considering how ignorant people treat them for no other reason than their skin color. I'd probably have a chip on my shoulder too. You know the last time I got singled out or judged because of my skin color? Oh right, never. It sure is tough being white and not being allowed to talk about how unfair it is.
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+1 for the WW cookie jar.
Is this a serious question?
I honestly can't tell anymore when 60 year old ladies defending Paula Deen say there is more prejudice in the north than in the south....
No, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if you are white and it is even implied that you have made a judgement based on race, it is pretty much automatically going to be a bad ride for you. Am I the only one who sees the race card played so many times and wonder what the heck is going on here?
I hope this isn't a serious question.
Now, I'm going to play devil's advovate here. Lets say that, hypothetically, she used racist language years and years ago...does this warrant boycotting her now?
Assuming this is the whole story.
EDIT: What I'm asking is whether there is a statute of limitations on ignorance. Remember Obama was against gay marriage (expicitly) before he was for it, as one instance. Can someone redeem themselves?
Escape Goat
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Her face looks photoshopped on. It doesn't move right with her body lol.
vas_a_morir
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Shit, you're right... that's funny.
She has that Quagmire giggity face going on
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LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
PlayALLtheGames
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She has a long neck, so her body can move without the head moving much, not unlike
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NYCmetsfan
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If you're caught doing something racist yes people won't like you for it. What's wrong with that concept?
White people can talk about race openly in america and not be labeled and destroyed (Louis CK has plenty of race material) when its not malicious. You cannot do what Michael Richards did.
Your complaint is when people try to say racist things (which you call a "gray area") they get called out for it. You seem to say you don't want them to get called out, you want them to be able to voice their opinions which very often say racist things, ignorantly or not, with out repercussions. You don't want people voicing their opinions that its racist.
And not much happens if you "come out against whites?" That's a lie, might want to tell that to Shirley Sherrod (who never actually said what she was accused of), Reverend Wright, or many blacks and other minorities who have been marginalized because of their outspoken views. Minorities get slack for doing racist things too.
edit: and has Jado below me points out, you're conveniently forgetting the millions of other daily racist ideas that are still culturally acceptable to voice where people face no consequences.
Obama never was out using gay slurs or demeaning gay people.
And this kind of comparision misses the whole flaw of the "she's from a different time" excuse. We're not in that time any more, even if that stuff was common or part of the culture back then its not any more. We've gotten better. So when people keep using anachronistic racial slurs people need to remind them leave that crap in the past. You don't get grandfathered in to racism. They need to be called out just as much a young people.
Obama's case is the same way. We've moved on (or in the process of moving on) from accepted bigotry against LBGT people. I'll criticize him for his past actions but at least he's not continuing it like Paula Deen is with her excuses.
"Playing the race card" is a common tactic of those who wish to marginalize the voices of minorities because they don't care about, or don't understand, the problems they face in a culture of white privilege (a thing most don't realize exists). So yeah, you're really coming off strongly as whining about the uncommon cases of whites being called out on racist bullshit and actually being negatively affected as a result.
The fact that Paula Deen has been openly racist in front of others, likely on many occasions, and still gets a pass from many of her fans is clear evidence that, no, making a gray-area judgment on race will often not be a bad ride for you. In fact, many people say and do extremely racist shit without a single consequence; maybe if it's a public figure, a light slap on the wrist followed by the "you're too sensitive" defense force (includes your race card remark). We live in a country where judges, top cops, politicians (the Obamas even), etc. blithely remark or strongly imply that minorities are extra prone to violence, drug use, being dumber, lazier, lacking morals/family values and acting like savages -- white America just shrugs and nods along in agreement. No bad rides.
Quite honestly, the bigger career/life destroyer is making statements against whites and Jews.
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It's like you two are speaking different languages: thoughtful, critical, honest rhetoric and ... dogshit.
I know, I know, I know White America is the problem. It's only been repeated for the last 50 years. So what is your plan to fix the problem of White America? BTW, I agree with APK's post and honest reflection needs to be made by everyone.The qoute you posted was not referencing APK.
vas_a_morir
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They really made an example out of Mel Gibson. He can't even take cameo roles (Hangover II) without getting blocked from above. Even with Jewish actors publicly pleading to Hollywood to forgive him on his behalf, he's DONE.
oh man I wish I had some butter for this popcorn.
speedline maybe you shouldn't take the "White America" stuff so personally, unless you personally identify with "White America". And if you do, could you tell me how you do.
vv: nah. money isn't in selling your own butter product. Money is in helping someone else sell their butter product, and getting paid lots to do it. I think she learned from the mistakes of Jimmy Dean.
speedline maybe you shouldn't take the "White America" stuff so personally, unless you personally identify with "White America". And if you do, could you tell me how you do.
vv: nah. money isn't in selling your own butter product. Money is in helping someone else sell their butter product, and getting paid lots to do it. I think she learned from the mistakes of Jimmy Dean.
vas_a_morir
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lol. Honest question: Did she have her own branded butter sticks? If not, she missed out on some easy money.
I haven't followed this thread or story, nor did I know who the hell Paula Deen was before her stupidity was exposed.
However I had my day off work and was shocked how this was the top story CNN story on every program from Don Lemon to Wolf Blitzer. With all that's going on in the world this was all the program had for the whole fucking day. I was playing TF2 most of the day and had in the background but I seriously couldn't believe they had this as the top story with Syria, Edward Snowden, Obama's NSA etc. etc. going on.
However I had my day off work and was shocked how this was the top story CNN story on every program from Don Lemon to Wolf Blitzer. With all that's going on in the world this was all the program had for the whole fucking day. I was playing TF2 most of the day and had in the background but I seriously couldn't believe they had this as the top story with Syria, Edward Snowden, Obama's NSA etc. etc. going on.
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Damn! I hardly watch the Food Network, but I'm watching her show going forward.
I don't know why-- it just seems that white people take the brunt of the responsibility to somehow resolve the race issues. We don't have an answer, can't change the past, can not justify what was done- not trying to. I think most of white people have taken the time for reflection, Paula Dean being the fringe of what is left of a dying breed. It is going to take some thing extremely hard to do imo, forgiveness. Can the black community ever forgive the whiite community for what transpired? I don't know, but what I do believe is that this concerted effort that is placed on the the white population to "fix thier problem" is not going to do anything other than split sides and create a backlash. I don't have the answers but each side needs to be able to meet in the middle and understand one another.
On the topic of Paula Dean-- a Plantation themed wedding with "slaves" serving the guests has to be one of the most outrageously racists ideas I have ever heard of. It's rediculous and she deserves to lose her show- I would not have her repreesnt my network either. GJ Food Network.
You have serious guilt issues dude. Can the Koreans and Chinese forgive the Japanese for previous transgressions? Can Albanians, Serbians and Croatians forgive the the Turks for what transpired? Will Arabs and Jews ever get along? What about Pakistan and India?
And I'd love to know what what this "concerted effort" for the "white population" to "fix thier problems" is. I never got the memo, but I'm Albanian and 70% or so of us are Muslim in Europe so would you consider us white?
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I don't get it?
Count the number of people with sunglasses? I dunno. lol
ReturnOfTheRAT
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you're missing most of the context of this particular exchange, and I can't help but feel that your comments have been misapplied.(we're specifically talking about America and American history. And your first paragraph, I'm not sure. Are you asking, implying in the negative, or are you saying why even bother?)
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speedline:
But...where does forgiveness come from? Not from spontaneous generation. re: whites taking the brunt of the responsibility I will point out the Civil Rights era as an example of action, responsibility, and lots of brunts. Free brunts for everyone. If it seems like whites in America have been asked to make an unfair amount of adjustements, or been asked to undertake an unequal amount of the burden in order to move towards racial equality, I would ask "how"? Sure the question gets raised, often with white focus, with a question of action and change, but why is that? I tend to think it's because change is still necessary, and lots of people are still resistant to change. Who would be resistant to change? Well this year they had the first ever de-segregated senior prom at Taylor County High School in Georgia. But what won't be mentioned are all the other school districts that haven't made the change.
It isn't the black communty that needs to be reminded that the work isn't finished. So what comes first, forgiveness or further progress? A lot has been forgiven by many, and old grudges will literally die, where others find new young hearts to take root in. So is black forgiveness of white transgression the whole story, is that the missing ingredient? Who's focusing on that? Not just you and me discussing it here, btw. There are a lot of details, and I notice that certain of us tend to focus only on what we feel concerns us, while thinking we can ignore or wait out the rest.
But you make an interesting point. It is going to take a meeting somewhere in the middle. But is that even feasible in the coming times, when things look like they're going to get much worse for most of us on the other side of the 1% sign? Who knows? Maybe that will make it even more likely.
Great points all around, but I am just going to quote this right now because I think it's very important and I'm about to hit the bed for the night. We are in very volatile economic times where every one of us are competing for an ever shrinking slice of that middle class pie. Will it galvanize all of the working class together regardless of race, religion, ect? Will it split us farther apart? Will the next civil movement be between the rich and the poor? Who knows. Do your own due diligence.
You were playing TF2 all day, another person was watching Real Housewives all day and yet another spent the day watching the Paula Deen meltdown.
1. White people take the brunt of responsibility to "fix" problems because they benefit most in our unequal and unfair society. White privilege is real.
2. Paula Deen is not part of a "dying breed," seeing as many Americans harbor racist sentiments (often vocally) in light of 9/11 and the Middle Eastern wars/conflicts, and immigration reform.
3. The black community as a whole is not waiting around for widespread "forgiveness" from whites for what transpired in the past; thinking that this is the main issue misses the point entirely.
4. There is no concerted effort and I'm entirely confident you couldn't elaborate if asked to do so. The Civil Rights movement was sabotaged and cut short; institutionalized racism by whites against minorities, in newer and more insidious forms, persists to this day.
I can give volumes of material where people got onto Tarantino.
I'll save you the trouble.
Tarantino = Word used in fictional movies against imaginary characters.
Paula Deen = Word used to discriminate against/around an employee.
If he can't understand that it's not worth your time.
Vicetrailia
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I don't really understand what you're saying here. No forgiveness is expected or necessary. The community knows that "they" do not care, and like anyone else, must keep it truckin' regardless. People will continue to bring up the past to make way for themselves and for reality, but what do you expect from forgiveness? No one thinks about that.
vas_a_morir
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Unfortunately, a lot of people were not able to understand this when the movie came out.
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Oh, the guys eyebrows in the back?
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More news.
SAVANNAH, Ga. -- A civil and human rights organization founded by Rev. Jesse L. Jackson Sr., has found evidence of systemic racial discrimination and harassment by Paula Deen.
The Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and it's attorney, Robert Patillo, traveled to Savannah to investigate and interview employees of Deen's food conglomerate.
According to Robert Patillo, who interviewed several current and former employees, a family member consistently referred to a black cook as "my little monkey"; a black male employee who threatened to go to EEOC with complaints of discrimination was told "you don't have any civil rights here" by Deen's brother; that whites are routinely paid more and promoted sooner than blacks; that until recently a black women who for years helped Deen create her recipes and taught her to cook was paid less than $10.00 per hour; that Deen preferred white and light skinned blacks to work with customers and relegating darker blacks to back-of-the-house operations; that blacks are reluctant to speak openly about working conditions due to fears of retaliation from Deen.
Attorney Janice L. Mathis, VP of Rainbow PUSH indicates that "these reports seem to indicate systemic discrimination and exclusion and are inconsistent with Deen's statements. The allegations are credible in the sense that they corroborate each other. Unfortunately, there are still pockets of culture in the South that persist in unenlightened attitudes and practices."
Just days after Deen confessed to and apologized for making racially offensive comments about African-Americans, the Food Network announced they would not be renewing her contract, which is set to expire at the end of June.
SAVANNAH, Ga. -- A civil and human rights organization founded by Rev. Jesse L. Jackson Sr., has found evidence of systemic racial discrimination and harassment by Paula Deen.
The Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and it's attorney, Robert Patillo, traveled to Savannah to investigate and interview employees of Deen's food conglomerate.
According to Robert Patillo, who interviewed several current and former employees, a family member consistently referred to a black cook as "my little monkey"; a black male employee who threatened to go to EEOC with complaints of discrimination was told "you don't have any civil rights here" by Deen's brother; that whites are routinely paid more and promoted sooner than blacks; that until recently a black women who for years helped Deen create her recipes and taught her to cook was paid less than $10.00 per hour; that Deen preferred white and light skinned blacks to work with customers and relegating darker blacks to back-of-the-house operations; that blacks are reluctant to speak openly about working conditions due to fears of retaliation from Deen.
Attorney Janice L. Mathis, VP of Rainbow PUSH indicates that "these reports seem to indicate systemic discrimination and exclusion and are inconsistent with Deen's statements. The allegations are credible in the sense that they corroborate each other. Unfortunately, there are still pockets of culture in the South that persist in unenlightened attitudes and practices."
Just days after Deen confessed to and apologized for making racially offensive comments about African-Americans, the Food Network announced they would not be renewing her contract, which is set to expire at the end of June.
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"My Little Monkey" sounds like the name of a terrible 50s sitcom.
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