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[ourumov]

This exactly sounds as American Beauty...You can't take justice on your own hands...

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

This exactly sounds as American Beauty...You can't take justice on your own hands...

but what if our justice system is a joke?

 

[ourumov]

A joke in what sense ?
Sure there are tons of guilty people on the streets...But I am also sure there have been executions of non-guilty people...
I don't know a lot about laws but I think that even though the system can have its failures, it is there for some reason.

 

[ManDudeChild]

but what if our justice system is a joke?

Hm, i think you might be a bit confused there.

jus·tice
n.
The quality of being just; fairness.

The principle of moral rightness; equity.
Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.

The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
Law. The administration and procedure of law.
Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
Abbr. J. Law.
A judge.
A justice of the peace.


law ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lô)
n.
A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.

The body of rules and principles governing the affairs of a community and enforced by a political authority; a legal system: international law.
The condition of social order and justice created by adherence to such a system: a breakdown of law and civilized behavior.
A set of rules or principles dealing with a specific area of a legal system: tax law; criminal law.
A piece of enacted legislation.

The system of judicial administration giving effect to the laws of a community: All citizens are equal before the law.
Legal action or proceedings; litigation: submit a dispute to law.
An impromptu or extralegal system of justice substituted for established judicial procedure: frontier law.

An agency or agent responsible for enforcing the law. Often used with the: “The law... stormed out of the woods as the vessel was being relieved of her cargo” (Sid Moody).
Informal. A police officer. Often used with the.

The science and study of law; jurisprudence.
Knowledge of law.
The profession of an attorney.
Something, such as an order or a dictum, having absolute or unquestioned authority: The commander's word was law.
Law
The body of principles or precepts held to express the divine will, especially as revealed in the Bible.
The first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures.
A code of principles based on morality, conscience, or nature.

A rule or custom generally established in a particular domain: the unwritten laws of good sportsmanship.
A way of life: the law of the jungle.

A statement describing a relationship observed to be invariable between or among phenomena for all cases in which the specified conditions are met: the law of gravity.
A generalization based on consistent experience or results: the law of supply and demand.
Mathematics. A general principle or rule that is assumed or that has been proven to hold between expressions.
A principle of organization, procedure, or technique: the laws of grammar; the laws of visual perspective.

"Justice" and the "Law" are two entirely different things.

It's the "law" that allows a lawyer to get a murderer set free. That is far from "Justice"

The quality of being just; fairness.

The principle of moral rightness; equity.
Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.

The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
Law. The administration and procedure of law.
Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
Abbr. J. Law.
A judge.
A justice of the peace.

Of course what is moral and righteous is a sticky one too ... but that's really another matter altogether.

 

[-=DoAvl=-]

so it's the LAW that's fucked up. Not justice.... right?

 

[ourumov]

Just a question I would like to leave on the air :

Do you think there is possible redemption ?

 

[ManDudeChild]

so it's the LAW that's fucked up. Not justice.... right?

What you were describing before was the LAW, which is,

The body of rules and principles governing the affairs of a community and enforced by a political authority; a legal system: international law.
The condition of social order and justice created by adherence to such a system: a breakdown of law and civilized behavior.
A set of rules or principles dealing with a specific area of a legal system: tax law; criminal law.
A piece of enacted legislation.

The system of judicial administration giving effect to the laws of a community: All citizens are equal before the law.
Legal action or proceedings; litigation: submit a dispute to law.
An impromptu or extralegal system of justice substituted for established judicial procedure: frontier law.

and the LAW, which isn't as subjective as justice, is fucked up. I agree with you on that. What I was saying about "justice" is that since it's so open with person to person that it can lead to huge problems too. But I'm sure now this is going to turn into some pointless little bit that will boil down to semantics.

Just a question I would like to leave on the air :

Do you think there is possible redemption ?

You know i've wondered that myself. I think that redemption is possible if a person truely wants redemption, but that they can't be "truely" redeemed unless others seem them as such. Redemption in my opinion, is as much a perception of the masses as it is a reflection on your inner self. I don't think a person wants to be evil generally speaking, but that the search for their hopes, what they want out of life, their dreams, their perception of the world leads them down the dark path. But once down that path, many don't see it as such. They see the "unethical" acts as good, they justify them with whatever means they can, and so they become the "right" moves to make. Moves that have little "bumps" along the way. There are exceptions to the rules of course, but I think it's generally true. Course that's just my philosophy on the matter.

 

[DSN2K]

got what he deserved imo.

 

[Shinobi]

Eh, fuck him...I have little sympathy for him.

That said, I think they went a tad overboard, heh. Simply holding him down (or punching him out if he resisted) would've sufficed. Wouldn't surprise me if they did this while being a bit high...shoving an object up someone's ass isn't exactly normal behaviour, except in porn movies.

 

[Xenon]

It’s great to see people of all nationalities work together for the common good!

oh and....


This thread without pictures is worthless! =P

 

[sprsk]

Im sorry, he may be a perv, but he didnt deserve what they did to him. What they did to him was much worse than what he was doing at the time. They should have called the cops.

 

[Doth Togo]

He got what he deserved.

I say fine the parents and friends $50 for court fees and take 'em to Wendy's for a free lunch.

 

[Tool]

Forgive me for not giving a good god damn about what happens to a pervert who gets off watching a five year old girl.

How is this vigilante justice so accepted?

A few questions

-- was he even guilty of doing what is alleged?

-- did the alleged peeping tom KNOW it was a 5-year old's room? Perhaps he was hoping to peep on an older woman, someone saw him right away and then started wailing on him?

Regardless, if you believe the punishment should fit the crime, he didn't rape anyone, he was looking only.

 

[dskillzhtown]

He got what he deserved.

I say fine the parents and friends $50 for court fees and take 'em to Wendy's for a free lunch.

Well, what is going to happen is he will sue and the parents will be paying alot more than that to him for being vigilantes. Forced sodomy is against the law as well, so is assault. I can understand being pissed and roughing the guy up, but shoving a stick up someone's ass is as sick as the peeping tom, IMO.