Icedburden
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Make a point with people who had ZERO to do with the heinous crimes? Makes sense.
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Penn State trustee 'running out of sympathy' for 'so-called' Jerry Sandusky victims
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You wouldn't be punishing the kids (players at least), they'd just go to other schools to play football. You're punishing the alumni who contribute a lot of money and did everything in their power to make sure the program stayed around so they could keep the 'legacy' going.
I have a FB 'friend' who went to PSU and it's insane how much of a cult they have around the football program. Even during the scandal she'd be posting crap about the integrity of the program and trying to deflect blame. Whole thing is disgusting, the program should have been nuked.
I hate this argument.
The school is still actively benefiting from the legacy of Paterno and Sandusky. Allow the students to transfer without penalty, but still punish the school that's still raking in cash because of the people who committed those crimes.
They are apart of a football program that protected child rapists for decades. The program needs to die.
It really wouldn't though, it's a thriving town even in the summer.
Icedburden
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I hope you realize that when most players transfer they rarely get a chance to participate at the level they would have otherwise. Also, the relocation and uprooting of their lives is so insignificant, right?
I'm all for the decimation of the cowards that hide behind and refuse to admit what happened with the program, but tearing these teenagers dreams apart isn't the answer.
Let's put this in perspective: you are at your dream job for 2 years. Everything is going well, and then one day, boom, you're on your ass, for something you had NOTHING to do with. You'd be okay with that? I doubt it.
If the dream job was secretly protecting a pedophile actively abusing children?
Hell yes I'd be okay with it all being shut down.
foxdvd
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The program is not a living thing that needs to be punished. EVERY one involved in this needs to see jail time. They need to be fired. They need to never work with kids ever again. There needs to be a probe and the system needs to be cleaned....Anyone caught hiding evidence or not helping should be removed...
But future Penn State students who had nothing to do with this should not be punished. The thousands of employees who do everything from janitorial work to IT should not be punished or lose their jobs. Nuking the program would have repercussions on people who are really honestly 100% innocent of any wrong doing.
Icedburden
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How are they 'a part' of the football program that protected the assholes that did it for decades? They are 18-19 years old.
MugiwaraCole
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If the NCAA is on this list, I've gotta slide the NFL on it too.
Icedburden
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At least someone here doesn't have the answer of 'burn it all down, lol'.
Advocatus Diaboli
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Embarrassed to be a Penn State graduate. I used to have sympathy for some of the people - namely the kids that were there when the news first broke - and I have no quarrel with the random students.
But fucking kill the football program (or suspend it for a long period). It's toxic and only serves to give no-life townies a vague purpose in life.
But fucking kill the football program (or suspend it for a long period). It's toxic and only serves to give no-life townies a vague purpose in life.
Gentleman Jack
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Well that's just too fuckin bad. Penn State covered up a serial child rapist for the sake of their football program, therefore they simply should not have one. So far you aren't suggesting an alternative punishment that fits that crime, leading me to think you believe they shouldn't receive any punishment.
Dude Abides
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Not having a football team to root for is hardly a tragedy. And future students can go to another school if football is that important.
College football is a privilege, not a right. Because of the shit Penn State did they should lose that privilege. Those kids and coaches whom had nothing to do with it can participate in football elsewhere and likely would find roles on other teams. Alternatively a lot of the students could continue receiving a free or discounted education. The university that covered it up should no longer be allowed to massively benefit from the legacy of the people who participated in that cover up.
Laevateinn
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I went here for grad school. I wish Beaver Stadium would implode. College football is a cancer.
Icedburden
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You're pretty good at the 'jumping to conclusions' game, aren't you?
I said before the people should be ousted from the program, along with further criminal penalties. But it's a childish attitude to knock all the blocks down and not care what happens with all the items within the blocks.
Why should Penn State University be allowed to continue to benefit financially because of a group of people who covered up serial child rape? Literally everything associated to the legacy of Penn State football goes through them.
Icedburden
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They should, for the next 5 years, take all profits from the football program and donate them to programs that rehabilitate victims of sex abuse.
Greatest Ever
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Lol
Because the university totally wouldn't manipulate their profit numbers at all to keep their cut
Barry Burton
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Exactly. It's gross when words like "punishment" and "suffering" are associated with the players and fans because they missed a few bowl games. It only exemplifies even more how some people continue to put football on a pedestal above all else.
Look at NCAA's handling of Miami University and the conflict of interest and it's lack of action on UNC and their academic cheating scandal.
Why the FBI isn't investigating NCAA, I don't know. At this point, NCAA should be disbanded.
Gentleman Jack
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This is how Penn State Fans acted to some of the smallest changes made in the wake of the scandal.
This is how the alumni acted in the wake of the sanctions 5 years later the alumni group is still circulating their victim complexes and truther conspiracy theories.
And this story is just the latest example of the behavior from the board of trustees.
But no, it's my reaction to their blind, gleeful complicity with decades of repeated child rape because watching their fun sport is more important that is problematic. Sure.
Trying to say the issues/problems/crimes against Penn State are only a thing of the past and that you shouldn't punish the present day athletes/fans is a really flawed opinion when you step back and realize the entire toxic culture that lead to that cover up still exists today in Penn State's fans, in the people who donate to the university, and likely a lot of the people still working at the university. By that road, Penn State is still absolutely benefiting from the actions of a sex offender cover up and this is why Penn State's football program needs to be shut down. This kind of culture should in no way be tolerated and allowed to thrive in college athletics.
Count Dookkake
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C'mon, football is serious stuff.
I mean really.
What's a few dozen molested kids in the long run?
I mean really.
What's a few dozen molested kids in the long run?
The culture around the football program is a fundamental cause of the whole scandal. It's not just a few bad apples. The program doesn't have to be completely eliminated to "nuke it" though. SMU still has a football program today, for example.
Barry Burton
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And the thing is, this trustee is only echoing what some in the fanbase actually believe. I used to think/hope this was just a very vocal, nutty minority of PSU fans but I'm not so sure anymore. Living in Pittsburgh, I've seen some people who actually think Sandusky is innocent, because in their warped minds that would somehow exonerate their hero JoePa.
But won't you think of those poor fans?! What will they do without their football!??
AntraxSuicide
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The NCAA absolutely has the power to grant transfers to the entire PSU roster in the event of the death penalty. They've done it before for far less.
Every time they play an away game, the home stadium should do something to call them out.
Pandora012
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While I do not think all of Penn State is bad, alot of what is still there is saddening to say the least. It's pretty much a divide of the academic side and the athletics. While I was still there there where plenty of places in and around the campus that would sell 401 and Paterno items. It was freaky to know what went down, and then have a good amount of the population just ignore that it happened.
The football program had a Joe Paterno Appreciation Day last year. They are a part of that program.
Not really local economy is based on number of students not the football team . It's not like ppl will stop eating going to bars buying clothes etc if the football team shuts down .
I've kind of given up on trying to explain to ppl who just say fuck you to all of penn state and do not realize this divide between academics and altheletics including the huge graduate population most of which could give two fucks about the football program or if it was nuked . But online ppl just paint with a broad brush .
On topic this guy is wacko . So what if the abused person is rich . He was abused and deserves the compensation .
The football program itself is what caused the issues. It became bigger than things like child abuse, rape and all that and a lot of people still don't want to admit JoePa was harboring a serial child rapist for decades along with much of the higher ups and administrators. The program needs to burn because the program is a cancer, a money making cult like cancer that people can't get over.
I feel bad for any football players who get a raw deal from this but I feel far far far worse about all those innocents being violated just so Penn State could win some championships. Giving them a slap on the wrist, which is what I consider the punishment they got, just says they are free to keep on doing what they've been doing and scorching it to the Earth and punishing all those involved over the years sends a much more direct message that they won't be able to brush off.
See above.
Shocking that there's still penn state apologists around.
Suddenly student athletes matter when you use them to paint as potential victims to any possible sanctions. If that line of thinking was actually worth a shit then no program would ever get any sanctions.
Suddenly student athletes matter when you use them to paint as potential victims to any possible sanctions. If that line of thinking was actually worth a shit then no program would ever get any sanctions.
MikeHaggar
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I went to Penn State and still root for the football team. I'd really like to see the institution move beyond this, but shit like this is ridiculous. This guy is an asshole and makes me sick. I often argue with people who defend joepa and anyone else involved. I usually end up telling them that they wouldn't be making the argument that they are if it was their child. That typically shuts them up. Anyway, this is not how you move on and show that you deserve to still exist. It's sad. I have plenty of sympathy for the victims and always will.
If it was because my "dream job" was at a company that turned out to be a front for crime, then yes of course. What kind of stupid question is that?
Jonsoncao
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I am a researcher at Penn State right now. AFAIK football program is important not only because its gravitation towards future students. One thing good about the football program is: if an endowment is made to the football program, certain portion of it has to be allocated among academic research and infrastructure fundings.
Aeriscloud
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Oh, I didn't mean State College directly. I think it would have hurt smaller places like Lewistown and Bellefonte a little bit. Huntingdon has Lake Raystown for tourism so it would be fine.
Eh you're probably right.
Rockandrollclown
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you know, its a big organization. If they had just, you know, acted even a little bit fucking remorseful we could get past this. Time and time again though they act like they are the victims. Say what you will about WWE and its carny ass, at least they fucking wiped Benoit from the records. Penn State would have given him a fucking statue.
I'm waiting for them to rename the team The Penn State JoePas or some nonsense.
Frozenprince
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And like SMU these kids can either go to another school to play ball right away or stay at pedo U and graduate.
They aren't being punished. And there was and is no other way to make that school learn that this isn't acceptable.
What other penalty should and could be levied to get that this is a disgusting heinous act?
Bruce Springsteen
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$$$$ >>>> victims
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