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Sgt. Kabukiman

Banned
Mid-November / Dungeon #
7
Please kill me now... WTF with
all the boss battles? I'm fighting Akechi's second form right now. It's not even challenging, just boring.
This game is starting to lose me hard. And all the recent story developments were predictable from a mile away.

I don't know... I'm 105+ hours in so I'm going to finish this game no matter what but they should have cut about a third of it.
 
BigEmil

BigEmil

Junior Member
Digital Foundry just posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHlOJlQhsU

PS3 Version: 720p 30fps, lots of fps drops and tearing, slower loading times
PS4 Version: 1080p 30fps. higher texture filtering, solid performance, much faster loading times

Persona 5 has a lot of loadings and transitions so it adds up alot in your 100+ playthrough so faster on PS4 is nice
Would've been nice to compare to PS4 Pro's boost mode loading times too which should be a tad faster than PS4's aswell
 
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enfieldvball

Member
kromeo said:
Story 3>5>4
Cast 4>3>5
Dungeons 5>>>>4>3
Music 3>4>5
Overall 3>5>4

Won't include 2, it felt too different to compare
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Holy crap are you me? Although I haven't beaten P5 yet I don't think it tops P3.

P4 definitely has the best well rounded cast, I mean it's kind of hard to hate anyone except Yosuke on some occasions whereas in P3 Ken kinda sucks and Koaramu felt a bit irrelevant.

Music in 3 is definitely top tier as it feels the most emotionally invested and the battle theme is great (bought the P3 DLC for P5), also who can deny the amazing Nyx boss battle theme? I like P5 soundtrack bit probably wouldn't listen to it outside the game.
 
T

Tyrant Rave

Banned
PhantomThief said:
Sadly no Vita so no way to play P4g :(

That's okay though, I'm sure the ps2 games are classics in their own right?
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Yeah, you'll be more than fine. Golden's story additions aren't really great and the gameplay is still great. For 3, people continue to debate on whether or not FES or Portable is the best version as they each have their own pros and cons, so there's no real definitive edition so to speak.

The only thing that will be hard to put up with is lack of party control in 3 and the fact that skill inheritance through fusion is entirely random in Persona pre-Golden. It fuckin sucks sitting in the menus trying to get the right combination of skills to pass down and thank GOD they changed this in all Megaten games now.
Opa-Pa said:
Literally the only thing I can think of that P4 does better than P5 is localization, and even that isn't saying much, to be honest. P4 is one of my favorite games ever, by the way.

I seriously just don't see the complaints about padding in dungeons except for stuff like the PINs in palace 3. Even palace 5, my least favorite, felt coherent in how it worked, it's just that I wish it was more combat focused, but it's pretty puzzle heavy.

Palace 6 complaints are the most confusing to me though because I keep reading about repetitive mechanics and I don't see them, did we play the same dungeon? It was just a bunch of objectives that required you to explore and fight the most fun enemy parties in the game with the narrative excuse of, yes, doing the same thing about 4 times. It even had an arena challenge which was great, but because you're getting coins as a reward it's repetitive?

I seriously love dungeon crawling and fighting tough enemies so I savor dungeons as much as possible in this and rarely find them too long because I always take 2 or 3 days to beat them. Sure it'd be nice if they were more fun in NG+ but that's a minor issue in my mind. P4's were competent in the sense that I just saw them as an excuse to fight enemies, which was fun enough, but P5's dungeons add an extra layer of fun by being, well, real dungeons with real puzzles.
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Well said, and I agree completely. I think the 7th kind of drags just because mechanically it's kind of dull, but even then, I'll take it to the randomly generated stuff. I love exploring dungeons for lengthy periods and seeing everything they have to offer (I enjoyed Eradinus in Strange Journey!). I can't get over how the dungeons here are even better than SMT4/4A too!
 
Ultimadrago

Ultimadrago

Member
Philippo said:
Do you need to max all confidants in one run for the plat or can you split between NG and NG+?
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Since they reset per playthrough, you have to do it in one run. However, since you keep your Social Stats, that'll make re-scheduling and getting past Social Flags (like Max Kindness) much easier.
 
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silva1991

Member
LiK said:
P3 OST never grabbed me. Altho I never beat the game so I never heard the late game music. I think only the title menu music in FES was quite nice. But, I will make another attempt to watch a full LP of the game so I can at least have knowledge of what happens in the game cuz P3 lovers tell me it's worth it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZVDvP7c9hU&index=37&list=PLRBui0PW4JKRQd1xYlGI5EwYv7vTPLJMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA82e2ON3ec&list=PLRBui0PW4JKRQd1xYlGI5EwYv7vTPLJMo&index=46

Probably better than any P5 track for me.

Now where is my tissue :(
 
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Son Of Sparda

Member
PhantomThief said:
Since this is my first Persona game I have been thinking about buying P4 and P3 for ps2 as well. I still have a nice PS2 slim I could play them on, but they are pretty expensive for ps2 games :( (then again so was Godhand)
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Do it. Persona 4 is (imo) better than Persona 5 so I'm sure you'll enjoy it a lot.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

Member
Hylian7 said:
If you think that one was hard, you are in for a rude awakening in the third dungeon.

Pretty sure that boss doesn't have a weakness:
Eyes can only be hit by physical, mouth only by magic, and nose by either.

One beef I have with bosses in this game: The whole game you are told to find the weakness (which could be a thing they are weak to, or might just be using buffs/debuffs/reflection/whatever), but then bosses just kind of throw that rule out the window.

Example (4th palace boss):
You can't hit her with physical because she is flying around,
then you do the ballista and shoot her down, and then you can just keep hitting her for a few turns. At first I was using magic, then decided on a whim to use a physical skill and it did about 4-5 times the damage. Yet she isn't weak to phys. It kind of just breaks it's own rules here where something is more effective on it, but it isn't actually it's weakness.
It just kind of breaks it's own rules where something is more effective even though they aren't actually weak to it. I don't mind the cinematic stuff in the bosses, but throwing the game's rules out the window in favor of them is pretty stupid.
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Damn 😭😭😭 I guess I need to better prepare myself or something because that one sounds crazy. Maybe I need to go to the mementos more often and continue Skilling up that way? Plus I feel like I need more fusions too
 
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BassForever

Member
silva1991 said:
Wow this is almost identical to my opinion aside from the music part.

I just need to listen again to P3 tracks before I say if it's better than P5's or not.
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I can't think of any music from p3 that sticks out in my mind outside of tanaka's theme, the velvet room theme, and the fes opening them song. Obviously 2 of those don't really help p3's ost compared to the others :p . The p4 songs I can remember a dozen of them, p5 despite putting 60 hours into so far I can only think of a handful of songs (opening theme, persona awakening theme, steal the treasure) that stick out to me. Perhaps if I listened to both p3 and p5's ost separate from the games they would swap but this is simply from memory.
 
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Zakalwe

Banned
During battle there's no way to load a save, or end the game without closing the app, right?

Only just realised you could rearranged a Persona's skills... eep! Sooo much better now.
 
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kromeo

Member
BassForever said:
I can't think of any music from p3 that sticks out in my mind outside of tanaka's theme, the velvet room theme, and the fes opening them song. Obviously 2 of those don't really help p3's ost compared to the others :p . The p4 songs I can remember a dozen of them, p5 despite putting 60 hours into so far I can only think of a handful of songs (opening theme, persona awakening theme, steal the treasure) that stick out to me. Perhaps if I listened to both p3 and p5's ost separate from the games they would swap but this is simply from memory.
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You don't remember the battle theme or town music? I think you are bad peoples

Dorm music, story boss theme, school first season are all highly memorable as well. I personally hate it but a lot of people seem to like burn my dread
 
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Taruranto

Member
Done with Makoto's S.Link, this has to be one of the worst S.Link ever. Too bad because I really like her character (Her situation also reminds me Tatsuya), but the whole thing was awfully written.

I finished Yusuke too, so now all my party's Persona are evolved. Yay.
 
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ch4fx_

Member
I've made some progress through the first palace:
defeated a mini boss
, and thus far palace exploration/progress is going much better than I expected.

However, back in the real world, I couldn't be more lost. I'm not really sure where to start confidant wise, job wise, which stats to increase early on, etc.. etc.

Any YouTube explanations I should watch, or any websites I should read through?
 
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nOoblet16

Member
Hylian7 said:
If you think that one was hard, you are in for a rude awakening in the third dungeon.

Pretty sure that boss doesn't have a weakness:
Eyes can only be hit by physical, mouth only by magic, and nose by either.

One beef I have with bosses in this game: The whole game you are told to find the weakness (which could be a thing they are weak to, or might just be using buffs/debuffs/reflection/whatever), but then bosses just kind of throw that rule out the window.
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I think this is a problem that people artificially create for themselves. Yes there is the 1 more system of exploiting weakness but it's only one part of it, the battle system is so so so much more than just exploiting enemy weakness. It's not just the bosses but even the regular enemies start popping up around 4th dungeon with no weakness, if you are a player who almost exclusively relied on exploiting weakness then ofcourse you will have a difficult time.

There are so many combinations of stuff you can do in battles which people simply don't try because they are too busy trying to find elemental weakness and then get disappointed when they don't find one. There are technical combos, there are tricks like making magic heavy enemies enraged so that they only use physical, there is the fact that you can create personas that repel and nullify damages etc etc.
 
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chrominance

Member
kromeo said:
You don't remember the battle theme or town music? I think you are bad peoples

Dorm music, story boss theme, school first season are all highly memorable as well. I personally hate it but a lot of people seem to like burn my dread
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MEMORIES OF YOU DAMMIT

Also that reprise of Burn My Dread during one of the last boss fights is pretty sweet.

(note: not actually giving person shit for not finding the P3 OST memorable, sometimes things just don't stick with you, I feel that)
 
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Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Welp destroyed the latest memento area (adyeshack or something) at lvl 53, I didnt even have requests there, just wanted to clear the zone for the fast travels.

How many more zones are in there? Cant be many more.
 
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nOoblet16

Member
ch4fx_ said:
I've made some progress through the first palace:
defeated a mini boss
, and thus far palace exploration/progress is going much better than I expected.

However, back in the real world, I couldn't be more lost. I'm not really sure where to start confidant wise, job wise, which stats to increase early on, etc.. etc.

Any YouTube explanations I should watch, or any websites I should read through?
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There is barely anything to do at that point. Do whatever you feel like doing tbh. You cannot do everything in one playthrough, so there is no point trying to achieve as much as possible when you can do all of it in NG+ much faster and easier. So just enjoy your first run doing whatever you feel like.
 
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JBwB

Member
Just finished it. 120 hours logged.

I'm sad now... It's always a bittersweet feeling when I finish a truly amazing game. I'm going to miss all those characters :(

My current games of all time: Persona 5 & Witcher 3
 
Shadow Broker

Shadow Broker

Banned
ch4fx_ said:
I've made some progress through the first palace:
defeated a mini boss
, and thus far palace exploration/progress is going much better than I expected.

However, back in the real world, I couldn't be more lost. I'm not really sure where to start confidant wise, job wise, which stats to increase early on, etc.. etc.

Any YouTube explanations I should watch, or any websites I should read through?
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Some social links are locked behind social stats, get the doctor social link to rank 7 for discounted items and accessories, explore and do whatever you feel. Every persona game I feel like I'm being thrown to the wolves once it opens up and I love. I usually do a few play threw of Persona games so I'm different. I usually max out my social stats on my first play threw while doing whatever catches my attention than I focus on social links on my second play threw.
 
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nOoblet16

Member
Rhaknar said:
Welp destroyed the latest memento area (adyeshack or something) at lvl 53, I didnt even have requests there, just wanted to clear the zone for the fast travels.

How many more zones are in there? Cant be many more.
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There's more...You really wanna know the answer to that question?
 
Aenima

Aenima

Member
Zakalwe said:
Only just realised you could rearranged a Persona's skills... eep! Sooo much better now.
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Lulz. Im in NG+ and didnt knew. After googling right now, it loooks like can be done by going in Stats -> chosing a party member -> Persona and pressing square to reange the skills.
 
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Opa-Pa

Member
I think I like all three modern Persona soundtracks almost equally. I probably like 3's the least because at times it was a bit off-putting because of how experimental it is, but it's still great.

P5's is way more chill and discrete, but still fantastic IMO, it's exactly the direction I wanted after Catherine. And all in all I believe it fits the game better than 3's and 4's did their games.

Also, so far for me 5 > 4 > 3 > 1 >>>>>> 2 EP > 2 IS

I'm still not done with P5 but I'm near the end so I doubt it'll take a nosedive in quality out of nowhere.

PhantomThief said:
Since this is my first Persona game I have been thinking about buying P4 and P3 for ps2 as well. I still have a nice PS2 slim I could play them on, but they are pretty expensive for ps2 games :( (then again so was Godhand)
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Do you own a PS3? Both games are available as PS2 classics and are, for some fans, the ideal way to experience them.
 
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Guess Who

Banned
Opa-Pa said:
Do you own a PS3? Both games are available as PS2 classics and are, for some fans, the ideal way to experience them.
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P4, at least, has some framerate issues as a "PS2 Classic" that it didn't have on a real PS2, so a PS2 Slim might be a better way to roll on that one.
 
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Opa-Pa

Member
Ah, does it? That sucks, I had no idea. I know P3FES has some screwed up textures in the last floors of Tartarus too, but it's kind of a non-issue unless you're epileptic (they blink really fast).
 
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nOoblet16

Member
4 was a Scooby Doo game in a village with modern JPop music...just saying !

I don't care if it had other good, fitting, piano themes or what not that makes people cry, it's never getting a slip from me because of that particular mismatch. Persona 5's music is such a good fit for it's style throughout (with the exception of palace 5 music, fuck that shit physically hurt my ears).
 
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nOoblet16

Member
I'd like Sony to add Persona 3 FES backward compatibility on PS4, but it's not happening cause they are too busy working on some no name games rather than stuff that people would play.
 
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ShadyK54

Member
Spoilers about the Strength Confidant (also feel free to correct me if I'm wrong! :p):

I really like the dialogue & the continuous nodding to Margaret from P4 (or maybe it's Elizabeth). I've found myself constantly wanting to say to the TV "It's from Margaret!!" every time they exclaim they don't know why they have the list of Personas or who left it lol.

The twins are just great in general.
 
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Opa-Pa

Member
nOoblet16 said:
4 was a Scooby Doo game in a village with modern JPop music...just saying !

I don't care if it had other good, fitting, piano themes or what not that makes people cry, it's never getting a slip from me because of that particular mismatch. Persona 5's music is such a good fit for it's style throughout (with the exception of palace 5 music, fuck that shit physically hurt my ears).
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Haha I get you. It's hard for me to tell if 3 and 4's soundtracks really fit or it's just that I got used to the weird mismatch. I know 3 felt super odd at first but with the time I got to love it.

Hell, 3 is even worse because it tries to be dark and communicate a sense of dread and uncertainty but its soundtrack is even more upbeat than 4's at times lol. Only near the end it changes.

I am certain that 5's is a perfect match for its game in comparison tho, that's for sure.
 
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Zesh

Member
P5 is my first Persona game, and I'm tempted to get a PS TV for P4G. What size memory card would I need? Would 8 GB suffice?
 
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FluxWaveZ

Member
ShadyK54 said:
Spoilers about the Strength Confidant (also feel free to correct me if I'm wrong! :p):

I really like the dialogue & the continuous nodding to Margaret from P4 (or maybe it's Elizabeth). I've found myself constantly wanting to say to the TV "It's from Margaret!!" every time they exclaim they don't know why they have the list of Personas or who left it lol.

The twins are just great in general.
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You're 100% wrong. You'll find out why.
 
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kromeo

Member
I think the biggest offender in P5 music wise is the Palaces, so far at least they're all extremely bland and forgettable. I'm not entirely sure about the Zero 7 style vocal version of the night music either, it's a nice tune but I'm not sure It's something I want to listen to repeatedly through a game

The Drazonball Z sounding mini boss? music just straight sucks
 
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megalowho

Member
12/24 Big Spoilers:
The last dungeon is too real, lol. Love the concept. Depressing but also motivating. Some of the metaphors and twists feel a bit forced compared to P4, still have questions about Igor's deal, but overall I'm pretty satisfied with how the game is wrapping up.
 
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Chaos2Frozen

Member
Hylian7 said:
If you think that one was hard, you are in for a rude awakening in the third dungeon.

Pretty sure that boss doesn't have a weakness:
Eyes can only be hit by physical, mouth only by magic, and nose by either.

One beef I have with bosses in this game: The whole game you are told to find the weakness (which could be a thing they are weak to, or might just be using buffs/debuffs/reflection/whatever), but then bosses just kind of throw that rule out the window.

Example (4th palace boss):
You can't hit her with physical because she is flying around,
then you do the ballista and shoot her down, and then you can just keep hitting her for a few turns. At first I was using magic, then decided on a whim to use a physical skill and it did about 4-5 times the damage. Yet she isn't weak to phys. It kind of just breaks it's own rules here where something is more effective on it, but it isn't actually it's weakness.
It just kind of breaks it's own rules where something is more effective even though they aren't actually weak to it. I don't mind the cinematic stuff in the bosses, but throwing the game's rules out the window in favor of them is pretty stupid.
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Lol that's not what "breaking your own rules" mean, lol at people throwing at term around. Take extra damage is not the same as being 'weak' to an Attack.

You're taught to find weakness but nothing says an enemy has to have a weakness to exploit. You forget the flip side to that lesson is you still have to avoid their strengths and resistance.
 
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Juliano2016

Member
Is it me or
Madarame
was a much harder boss than ti should be? His
artist ink ability
was really OP.

Does anyone have a good guide on Equips?
 
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ShadyK54

Member
FluxWaveZ said:
You're 100% wrong. You'll find out why.
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vaporeon

Member
Trying to Pulinpa bosses in Mementos never works for me. Do I need to do some intense Sukukaja + Sukunda + Foul Breath to pull this off? Or am I just that unlucky?
 
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nOoblet16

Member
kromeo said:
I think the biggest offender in P5 music wise is the Palaces, so far at least they're all extremely bland and forgettable. I'm not entirely sure about the Zero 7 style vocal version of the night music either, it's a nice tune but I'm not sure It's something I want to listen to repeatedly through a game

The Drazonball Z sounding mini boss? music just straight sucks
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I have no idea how anyone can think Price, Days when my Mother was there, Whims of fate and Freedom and Security are bland or forgettable, especially considering how they fit to the dungeon's visual theme. Those are two words that get thrown around without considering what they stand for. Even Ark is quite nice.


I certainly remember them and it keeps looping in my head, so I donno about it being forgettable. As a musician, I consider the dungeon 4 theme (days when my mother) to be fire and I love how technical it is...that definitely is the opposite of bland.
 
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silva1991

Member
vaporeon said:
Trying to Pulinpa bosses in Mementos never works for me. Do I need to do some intense Sukukaja + Sukunda + Foul Breath to pull this off? Or am I just that unlucky?
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Higher luck is important

High luck+confuse boost and confuse is pretty much guaranteed.

I got 6 million in just over an hour today.
 
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