Psycho_Mantis
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Akira has taken the spotlight.
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Persona Community Thread |OT9| SPOILER TAGS OR DIE
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Akira has taken the spotlight.
CrimsonFist
Member
Has Joker gotten a VR voice actor training spinoff though
Green Mamba
Member
They really couldn't have picked more sleep inducing series to cross Persona over with. Pass.
TurnipFritters
Member
What spinoff do you think Ann's rival idol will star in.
Not even slightly?
He hasn't been features in a single thing yet outside of the game.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Except for Chain Chronicle, which I think we can all agree isn't on the same level as an ArcSys fighter.
CrimsonFist
Member
More serious answer: Yu's been front and centre for any P4 related media, naturally since he's the protagonist, but it seems weird to call him a mascot for the franchise as a whole, Atlus has never really seemed to treat him like that. And Joker has absolutely been far more in the spotlight in terms of promotional media and such more recently, again naturally since P5 is the game that's been promoted. Most of the recent merchandising, mangas, ect. has been P5 centric, and the upcoming concert has Joker front and centre in the promotional art.
By what metric? Unless you expect Cross Tag Battle to top 5 million sales.
(Which isn't an entirely fair comparison seeing as Chain Chronicle has a completely different business model, and we're talking about a timed collaboration quest vs appearing in a crossover game)
Unrelated: Seems like P5 topped Famitsu's most Popular RPG's poll, with the rest of the top 5 being DQ III, CHrono Trigger, NieR Autotomato and FF VII.
It took awhile for Yu to become what he is now, though.
Even when P4 came out, Teddie was more the focus. You'd get the Yu on promotion for the concerts, but that made sense considering that game just came out.
Once there was an anime and a fighting game, he suddenly became the protagonist of three separate pieces of media.
Even when P4 came out, Teddie was more the focus. You'd get the Yu on promotion for the concerts, but that made sense considering that game just came out.
Once there was an anime and a fighting game, he suddenly became the protagonist of three separate pieces of media.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Has there been any further notable Persona announcements?
Yeah, I feel like the anime adaptation was the turning point for Yu. That was when he really gained momentum and solidified his memetic reputation as a manwhore. Before that he was just Souji Seta, Minato's blander successor.
Source?
Surprised to see CT in the top 5, it's usually not that popular in Japan.
CrimsonFist
Member
https://twitter.com/bk2128/status/887290131865976833
With the rest of the top 5: http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/51718720.html, although not entirely sure if that is the top 5 or just other games on the list. Need to wait for famitsu to come out tomorrow for the full thing. Think it's been top 25 for other genres.
Blazblue Cross Tag, baby.
Yeah, both Yu and Makoto were really established by materials that came out after their respective games. There was noticeable shift in characterization for Yu once the anime came out, and a gradual shift in characterization for Makoto as the drama CDs progressed.
Mind you, I actually like this better. I'm not a big fan of the "Mute character who is loosely defined by the player, but not enough to be the player's avatar" shtick.
klabautermann
Member
Nagoshi and Hashino are having a SEGA livestream on the 25th it sounds like. Not sure if anything notable Persona wise would come out of it, assuming they're waiting until August 2nd, but maybe we'll see something.
CrimsonFist
Member
Don't expect any notable announcements from a SEGA Nama live stream.
klabautermann
Member
Not familiar with them, but didn't really think we'd get anything out of it anyway. Figured it might of been worth bringing up, but I guess not haha.
CrimsonFist
Member
Well, might be some interesting development or other details to come out of it if anyone translates, but there won't be any announcements or anything, outside of maybe a tease for P Sound Bomb, as when Meguro was on the show. Although maybe not since Hashino is no longer involved with Persona.
Young Magus
Junior Member
A Dead Diehard
Member
It's Kohryu.
I mean, it's not even hard. It not being Kohryu wouldn't be creative, it would just be wrong.
edit: Whoopsie!
Misread that as "has a Persona" -_-
snow in jamaica
Member
United Future Organization - Loud Minority
This is like an alternate universe P5 trailer featuring alternate universe Kaneko, Okada, and Satomi.
This is like an alternate universe P5 trailer featuring alternate universe Kaneko, Okada, and Satomi.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Eh not really.
Ya'll still in my subscribed page
Now I reallllllly want a Yakuza game that has Kazuma with Kohryu fightin people.
Kazuma being under the Hierophant Arcana makes too much sense as well
A Dead Diehard
Member
At least we'd probably be more likely to get it here than Isshin.
CrimsonFist
Member
Full top 20 RPGs from Famitsu:
20: The Witcher 3
19: Final Fantasy VIII
18: Final Fantasy IX
17: Mother 2
16: Final Fantasy VI
15: Dragon Quest IV
14: Persona 4 Golden
13: Xenogears
12: Final Fantasy X
11: Xenoblade
10: Final Fantasy XV
9: Persona 3
8: NieR Replicant
7: Suikoden II
6: Dragon Quest V
5: Final Fantasy VII
4: NieR Automata
3: Chrono Trigger
2: Dragon Quest III
1: Persona 5
20: The Witcher 3
19: Final Fantasy VIII
18: Final Fantasy IX
17: Mother 2
16: Final Fantasy VI
15: Dragon Quest IV
14: Persona 4 Golden
13: Xenogears
12: Final Fantasy X
11: Xenoblade
10: Final Fantasy XV
9: Persona 3
8: NieR Replicant
7: Suikoden II
6: Dragon Quest V
5: Final Fantasy VII
4: NieR Automata
3: Chrono Trigger
2: Dragon Quest III
1: Persona 5
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I think the Japanese voice cast really helped with this. Pikachu and Char Aznable make for a pretty awesome cast. I heard a lot of rave reviews from native Japanese speakers.
Persona 3 has always been much more popular in Japan, so that's no surprise there. Persona 5 being closer in style to Persona 3 actually probably helped it out a lot.
Yup. it's an all-star cast on the highest level. The best of the best from modern Japanese VAs.
That's a good point, though I always assumed it was due to the subject matter. I imagine the themes and events portrayed in P5 are going to hit much closer to home for Japan.
Is it? I had no idea. Between the anime, spin-offs, Golden and all the merchandise, I always assumed it was the same as here.
Yeah, after the P4 anime came out, Persona 4 got a lot of attention. But Persona 3 was really popular there too, more so then it was here in the US I believe ><;
A Dead Diehard
Member
You think the fact that P3 shares a lot of stuff with Evangelion's the reason why it's more liked than P4?
Or at least contributes to that fact..?
I think it's a possibility.
Famitsu rated Persona 3 and Persona 4 the same score (33/40) in it's original release, which is in contrast to western reviews where Persona 4 is usually rated higher. I wonder what other Japanese publications rated P3 and P4?
sackboy2197
Member
Are there really that many similarities between P3 and Eva? Kaworu and Instrumentality are two big ones, but apart from that it seems to me they touch upon different themes, and in different ways.
A Dead Diehard
Member
P3 spoilers if that's even an issue anymore?
You mean the heroes unwittingly playing into a world-ending conspiracy that involves an artificially created emotionless girl with short hair and a connection to the protagonist's past, and killing a set number of hostile entities, fighting them with something that goes berzerk on its first outing and ends with the protagonist passing out for an extended period?
And the school actually being a front for the group the heroes work for?
Or how the tough guy ends up being the guy who gets put out of action?
Oh, and the protagonist having a music-playing device associated with them.
And the school actually being a front for the group the heroes work for?
Or how the tough guy ends up being the guy who gets put out of action?
Oh, and the protagonist having a music-playing device associated with them.
ps. And that the dramatic final stand ends up being all for nothing.
I can't believe I just caught that.
(in Chinese)
snow in jamaica
Member
Every time I read the OT title my brain wants to add "(in Chinese)" at the end.
Professor Renegade
Banned
So I'm playing NG+ on P4G for the first time and I've noticed something odd. I started Steamy bathhouse and after the beating the first enemy encounter everyone's SP went down by like 9 points when I didn't use a single spell throughout the whole battle (except when Yukiko did Agi because I forgot to change her to direct command). Is this a NG+ thing or some really weird bug?
A Dead Diehard
Member
Now that's curious...
Never seen that before, or at least not noticed.
Did your characters level up? If so, the difference in max SP might make it look like you've spent SP.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
So about Palace 5 in P5:
Holy crap was that long. Just kept going, and the same puzzles were used way too much. Loved the music and general setting though.
sackboy2197
Member
Guess it's time to rewatch Evangelion. I stil feel that the themes are quite different, but you do raise some very good points
MaximumSpider
Banned
I'm supposed to be playing FFXII but I keep finding myself playing through P4G and P5 again. Send help
demosthenes
Member
Sold my vita like 2 years ago. Bought another one to me my persona 3/4 machine. Thought my p4g save saved to ps+ was long gone as my ps+ sub lapsed like 18 months ago.
Accidentally dud a free trial for 2 days, tried my vita and my golden save including clear game was there.
😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Accidentally dud a free trial for 2 days, tried my vita and my golden save including clear game was there.
😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
A Dead Diehard
Member
Guess it's time to rewatch Evangelion. I stil feel that the themes are quite different, but you do raise some very good points
And that was without
a character wishing harm on a character named Shinji due to harming a family member by accident.
FORESHADOWING.
Guilty Gear Xrd was on it last week. The show is actually pretty entertaining.
As much as I'm loving my time with P5, I do wish it took a lot more time fully examining the social issues it briefly touches upon. I think there should've been a lot more "showing" and a little less "telling". If they're going to emphasize the villains, then they should flesh out their characters, actions, and the consequences of said actions a lot more than they've been doing so far. Spoilers up to Palace 5 ahead
I think what makes this frustating is that there's a lot of potential here, but you don't see much of it realized on screen. P5 could've taken its time to deliver some truly memorable villains while exploring deep social issues, but it kind of hasn't so far. It' like an essay that lists a bunch of problems in our current society, but only really elaborates on one of these issues while briefly acknowledging the others. It's very ambitious, but at the same time it needs a lot more research.
All that said, I'm still enjoying the story a lot and I'm curious to see where it's heading.
The first time this issue stood out to me was with Kaneshiro. Here you have an arc that starts really promising, but as soon as you think things are starting to kick up into high gear, you're actually already done with his story and all that's left is to steal his treasure. You don't get to interact much with him or his shadow, his victims are window dressing at best, and even the motivation for the deadline feels like an anticlimax. If you Take Your Time, Makoto sends you some messages about how his men are pressuring her, but you don't see any of it on-screen.
Okumura suffers from the exact same problem. The public suddenly seems super interested in taking down this food CEO for some reason just as your group discovers he might be involved in the mental shutdown cases, you hear something about how he overworks his empolyees to death just to make it clear to the player that you're dealing with a piece of shit, and then you discover Haru is being forced into marrying some douchebag. It all just feels a bit contrived, sudden and impersonal. I barely know this Okumura guy, he's had no screentime at all, I haven't met any of his victims (besides Haru, barely), and yet here I am taking him down. I know he is bad, I know I'm justified, but the game doesn't do a good enough job of getting me emotionally invested in his arc.
I'm not even asking for some kind of grey morality, I'm absolutely fine with the villains being evil, I just wish they were more fleshed out. That's why Kamoshida was so effective at the beginning of the game. He's not particularly complex, but he had lots of screentime, great characterization and they showed you the consequences of his actions. He was a character you were invested in taking down. Kaneshiro and Okumura are just bosses you have to defeat because of x, y and z reasons, all coldly laid down before you.
Okumura suffers from the exact same problem. The public suddenly seems super interested in taking down this food CEO for some reason just as your group discovers he might be involved in the mental shutdown cases, you hear something about how he overworks his empolyees to death just to make it clear to the player that you're dealing with a piece of shit, and then you discover Haru is being forced into marrying some douchebag. It all just feels a bit contrived, sudden and impersonal. I barely know this Okumura guy, he's had no screentime at all, I haven't met any of his victims (besides Haru, barely), and yet here I am taking him down. I know he is bad, I know I'm justified, but the game doesn't do a good enough job of getting me emotionally invested in his arc.
I'm not even asking for some kind of grey morality, I'm absolutely fine with the villains being evil, I just wish they were more fleshed out. That's why Kamoshida was so effective at the beginning of the game. He's not particularly complex, but he had lots of screentime, great characterization and they showed you the consequences of his actions. He was a character you were invested in taking down. Kaneshiro and Okumura are just bosses you have to defeat because of x, y and z reasons, all coldly laid down before you.
I think what makes this frustating is that there's a lot of potential here, but you don't see much of it realized on screen. P5 could've taken its time to deliver some truly memorable villains while exploring deep social issues, but it kind of hasn't so far. It' like an essay that lists a bunch of problems in our current society, but only really elaborates on one of these issues while briefly acknowledging the others. It's very ambitious, but at the same time it needs a lot more research.
All that said, I'm still enjoying the story a lot and I'm curious to see where it's heading.
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Funyarinpa
Member
Makoto is sublime. Absolutely sublime.