Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I just told Siri to pick a number between 1 and 20 and it said 7.
I'm just trying to feel my way thru my first ever game of this. Honestly not dropping any crumbs.
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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
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I just told Siri to pick a number between 1 and 20 and it said 7.
I'm just trying to feel my way thru my first ever game of this. Honestly not dropping any crumbs.
Right, that's my point. Scum new to this would have tried making a real vote right there not hopping on the RNG bandwagon. I'd expect balls like that from someone more used to this OR someone who didn't read my post which is also possible.
So you don't like RNG at this point but also don't like when I make a point about it.
Some logic you have.
exmachina64
Banned
I didn't actually suspect Sorian.
He did, the question is how blatant do you think he'd be with that strategy?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Just to be clear: I went with an RNG vote because I don't know anything about anyone yet. And your post about stirring up reactions is what motivated me to do it. You seem skilled at the game, so I figured I'd follow your lead.
The point you made had nothing to do with RNG, that was the problem. You knocked it because it didn't land on a low poster but that's like saying it's impossible for the dealer in blackjack to get 21 because RNG doesn't do that. It doesn't make sense.
You are counting that scum can't chat between them and that there isn't an experienced player amongst them.
There has been like less than 4 hours of game and a lot of players haven't said anything yet. All the players will change their votes before the days end. Targeting an active player at random to get reads it's not a good strategy. The reads are already there.
I wouldn't blindly trust people, from your perspective I could be just as evil as anyone else.
Not particularly. Are you voting him because I am or because he did something you didn't like?
So yours really was purely an OMGUS vote. That aside, what reason do you have to not suspect Sorian? And does that mean you only intend to vote on people you suspect moving forward?
He is the top 4 player in the world so you are in good hands (unless he is scum)
Certainly not with me. As Sorian asked, are you voting for his target simply because it's his?
exmachina64
Banned
For one, I didn't even know OMGUS was a thing. I'll keep an eye on Sorian for suspicious or inconsistent behavior, but I don't have a logical reason for keeping the vote on him and I don't want to cause undue animosity.
No, I won't say that I only intend to vote on people I suspect moving forward, that would remove a tool that's important to the game.
Sorry to ask this, but what does "OMGUS" mean?
1. I'm going to follow your lead 2. It's a "OMGUS" vote (thanks for adding that to my vocabulary Flux!).
You're... gonna follow Sorian's lead? And why is that? Because he's an experienced player who seems to know what he's doing?
How come? People are trying to vote for others in hope of generating discussion.
Personally while I don't agree with RNG voting, people are just trying to generate discussion in hopes of getting new info.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
I get the OMGUS vote but following someone's lead (who we don't know much about mind you) day 1 seems naive at best.
I'm getting a weird vibe from you two, so either I'm crazy (very possible!) or something's afoot...afeet, going on.
exmachina64
Banned
It's like the core of any online Mafia game, at least on GAF.
Either you don't know that's how the game's played or you're attempting to deflect suspicion.
Will be back later to replay to specific things but just as a general blanket statement to some of the last few posts. Do not blindly trust me or anyone else. If you don't have a specific reason that's a little bit more than "gut feeling" then you're potentially shooting yourself in the foot.
He's experienced as hell and hey, we got to start somewhere.
1. Him being experienced doesn't mean he's not a player with motivations of his own with win conditions that match yours.
2. "Going with the flow" is very blatantly scum/neutral behavior.
Let's make a summary:
So Sorian don't think it's a good idea to RNG at this point:
Plop vote's by RNG:
So that's a town read from Sorian:
Weird right?
I say that voting by RNG to an active player is bullshit (which is something similar as Sorian said before):
So Sorian thinks I'm overreacting for saying something similar as him:
Really weird right?
Then Sorian said that I wasn't talking about the RNG (which it was the main point of my post):
It's reaaaaally weird or I'm going crazy?
And Sorian pointed out that new scum players wouldn't do that (as they play alone and make strategies with more experienced players):
I'm still waiting on a response on that.
Opinions?
So Sorian don't think it's a good idea to RNG at this point:
Plop vote's by RNG:
So that's a town read from Sorian:
Weird right?
I say that voting by RNG to an active player is bullshit (which is something similar as Sorian said before):
So Sorian thinks I'm overreacting for saying something similar as him:
Really weird right?
Then Sorian said that I wasn't talking about the RNG (which it was the main point of my post):
It's reaaaaally weird or I'm going crazy?
And Sorian pointed out that new scum players wouldn't do that (as they play alone and make strategies with more experienced players):
I'm still waiting on a response on that.
Opinions?
I could be mistaken, but to me it seems like a bit of a miscommunication. Him pointing out that RNG would ignore post count doesn't contradict him saying that he does not like people continuing to RNG vote at this point. He's not wrong that true RNG would not take into account post tally. So while he frowns on them for continuing to RNG vote, he frowns more on you for claiming RNG should not truly be random.
Hopefully that made sense. I had to read the whole string of posts like five times to even parse what was happening.
Hopefully that made sense. I had to read the whole string of posts like five times to even parse what was happening.
Matt Attack
Member
I don't think it's going to be beneficial to anybody but scum to focus on Star's pre-game post at the moment (not a bad idea too keep on eye on people who did want to discuss it though I suppose?), but I do think it's worth noting that she posted "rip ouro" shorty after the game started... and then nothing else. This was a fairly low effort check in post, which I don't tend to like. It's something to keep in mind going forward.
I'm going to out my vote on Style for now. Voting on somebody to "win some trust"? Icky. Following Sorian's lead just because he's experienced? Ehhhh, we shouldn't encourage that mindset. A good scum will try to leas town discussions, and Sorian is a definitely good player. Going with the flow, as Flux put it, is not going to be how town wins this game.
VOTE: Style
Franconp: Nothing about what Sorian was saying seems particularly weird to me? RNG is RNG, it doesn't discriminate based on post count (unless you exclude frequent posters, which I'm assuming wasn't the case here). Your problem with plop's vote seemed to be that he voted for you despite your high activity, but if it was RNG'd then there's no issue (beyond the fact that it is an RNG vote, which Sorian agrees was a poor decision). While I can see why a scum Sorian might have reacted the way he did to a scum plop's vote on you, I don't think it's at all inconsistent with how a town Sorian would react either.
I'm going to out my vote on Style for now. Voting on somebody to "win some trust"? Icky. Following Sorian's lead just because he's experienced? Ehhhh, we shouldn't encourage that mindset. A good scum will try to leas town discussions, and Sorian is a definitely good player. Going with the flow, as Flux put it, is not going to be how town wins this game.
VOTE: Style
Franconp: Nothing about what Sorian was saying seems particularly weird to me? RNG is RNG, it doesn't discriminate based on post count (unless you exclude frequent posters, which I'm assuming wasn't the case here). Your problem with plop's vote seemed to be that he voted for you despite your high activity, but if it was RNG'd then there's no issue (beyond the fact that it is an RNG vote, which Sorian agrees was a poor decision). While I can see why a scum Sorian might have reacted the way he did to a scum plop's vote on you, I don't think it's at all inconsistent with how a town Sorian would react either.
It's my first game, so I wouldn't disagree that I don't know how the game's played. Basic, yes. Strategy, not so much! Working on it.
I can't really say on that part. I don't have enough familiarity with this game having only read one and a half previous gafia games to know if a scum or town was more likely to have RNGed at that point. I would've assumed it to be a bad player, town or scum to do that. Sorian claims it's a bad town or a bold scum. Not sure I agree with that, but I don't strongly disagree either.
Matt Attack
Member
Partial town read.* Sorian said that it didn't seem likely a new scum player would go ahead and do exactly what he said looked suspicious. It's not that an RNG vote was suddenly a town move, but the context the vote appeared in would be strange for a newbie scum. When I was a first time scum in my last game, I was terrified of acting suspiciously and was super cautious as a result. Considering this is plop's first game, if he is also a first time scum player (I don't have reason to believe this yet, it's just an a consideration for this example), I would think there's a decent chance he's not going to want to be really bold straight off of the bat. I don't think we should necessarily write this case off as solved, but I do think we can file it away for the time being until we've got more reason to suspect either Sorian or plop (or both). As it stands, I don't think it's all that weird.
flatearthpandas
Member
Just joined the lunch mob myself so i can post a bit but I'll be actively mostly in evening here.
Vote: franconp
This rng thing is much ado about nothing. Rng votes are dumb enough on their own without centering the day's discussion on them. Let's turn that energy somewhere else.
Vote: franconp
This rng thing is much ado about nothing. Rng votes are dumb enough on their own without centering the day's discussion on them. Let's turn that energy somewhere else.
exmachina64
Banned
What's for lunch?
Boxed lunches?
Well, voting without giving a motive isn't much different from a RNG, so care to elaborate.
flatearthpandas
Member
Hamburger and the co-worker social link.
You need to reread. He said that RNG was bad but in the SAME post basically did that.
If you are voting for someone you have to give reasons. If not is simple RNG. That's why I want to know the reasons.
exmachina64
Banned
exmachina64
Banned
Haha! I wanted jelly doughnuts like that as a kid.
I know it's still early in Day One but
VOTE: Style
Reason being is while they have a decent amount of posts in this thread majority of them don't really have anything substantial (I know the same could be said for me, which is partly why I'm making a post like this). They admit to voting for II-Vanguard-II simply to "win some trust back". As previously stated, following someone's lead is not a good idea, no one knows anything about each other in this game and Sorian could very well be scum. Any Style post after #177 does not give us anything.
Like I said it is still early in the game but I want to get my vote out there. At the moment Style does not look like a Town player.
VOTE: Style
Reason being is while they have a decent amount of posts in this thread majority of them don't really have anything substantial (I know the same could be said for me, which is partly why I'm making a post like this). They admit to voting for II-Vanguard-II simply to "win some trust back". As previously stated, following someone's lead is not a good idea, no one knows anything about each other in this game and Sorian could very well be scum. Any Style post after #177 does not give us anything.
Like I said it is still early in the game but I want to get my vote out there. At the moment Style does not look like a Town player.