YOU HAVE FALSIFIED!
Haha, such a great story.
I guess Yuji Naka's new company isn't doing so hot? Looked up their most recent work, Rodea Sky Soldier for the Wii? :/
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Peter Moore recounts how he almost got into some gangster shit with Yuji Naka
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YOU HAVE FALSIFIED!
Haha, such a great story.
I guess Yuji Naka's new company isn't doing so hot? Looked up their most recent work, Rodea Sky Soldier for the Wii? :/
MrCunningham
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Pretty sure they lost a lot of money on the machine globally. Sega was selling the hardware at a loss just to stay competitive with the PlayStation. Japan was the best selling region for the hardware, but even then I don't think they ever turned a profit. By the time 1997 rolled around, no retailer in North America really wanted to stock the Saturn, it was officially discontinued in 1998 By Bernie Stolar. Though in Japan they sold it up to 2000. It was still making money as a 2D arcade-port machine. There were so many 2D games that were left behind in Japan that used the 1 and 4MB RAM upgrade catridge.
IrishNinja
Member
damn, forgot that was his studio - it's a fun game, but i can't imagine playing only the WU version, it feels terrible. Wii one's a blast though!
Shadoken
Member
Dont they own those studios as well?
I mean its like saying they "Just" published Sonic Team's and AM2's games back in the day.
Sega lost their minds during the Genesis.
IrishNinja
Member
i will fight anybody who trashes the Sega-CD in here! it had a great library!
"They could still be a good if they weren't that fucking bad"
cj_iwakura
Member
Console Wars only scratches the surface. Victor Ireland's painted some interesting pictures of it, too.
Sega of Japan made some fantastic software, and still do, but boy did they have management issues.
Sega of America, too. There's no purgatory wretched enough for Bernie Stolar.
thepenguin55
Member
Yuji Naka:
1. Sounds like a modern console fanboy
2. Based on all the stories I've heard Yuji Naka sounds like a giant dickhead.
1. Sounds like a modern console fanboy
2. Based on all the stories I've heard Yuji Naka sounds like a giant dickhead.
TheDinoman
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Sega of Japan had always been pretty nuts, it was really Sega of America keeping things together during that era (though they became fucked in their own ways too). This here blog post by Ryan Bloom (known as BlazeHedgehog here) is pretty sad to read:
http://blazehedgehog.tumblr.com/post/85808046936/thinking-outloud-5152014
Especially the quote at the end:
IrishNinja
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3. Gave us the mindblowing dungeons in Phantasy Star, Sonic, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers & a ton of classics
DAREALGUMMY
Member
It doesn't turn good games in to trash, but it does make Sega in to what the focus group said. Sega was cool compared to Nintendo when the Genesis was out. By then, they were relics and were being passed up by companies like Rockstar.
So what you're saying is Liverpool better watch out?
The full Glixel interview is well worth reading, great stuff
http://www.glixel.com/interviews/peter-moore-talks-leaving-electronic-arts-for-liverpool-fc-w475540
http://www.glixel.com/interviews/peter-moore-talks-leaving-electronic-arts-for-liverpool-fc-w475540
They're still fairly dysfunctional these days and if anything even more siloed.
Sephiroth_VII
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I think the disconnect here is that SEGA is till a huge brand in Japan. That would make it hard for them to accept how they're viewed abroad.
Visualante2
Member
Rockstar is like your rich uncle that is always trying to bum a cig off you but sends awesome gifts for your birthday.
John Kowalski
Banned
bahahahaha
Seven Force
Banned
Haha, I remember hering Moore talk about this story a while back, but I don't remember the bit about Naka accusing him of making it up. Sounds about right though, lol.
go_straight
Banned
I never understood the irrational love people have for Peter Moore. I guess it's because he's really a charismatic man?
His track record in the videogames industry is terrible: even if it wasn't only his fault, he was still there to give the kiss of death to Sega; he was at Microsoft when all the rrod disaster happened; he was at EA in what probably was (and still is) the darkest age of the company from a creative point of view, ecc.
The man appears to me as an incredible and successful business man who only cares about making money. I guess if Peter Moore is Vince Mcmahon, Yuji Naka is Paul Heyman.
His track record in the videogames industry is terrible: even if it wasn't only his fault, he was still there to give the kiss of death to Sega; he was at Microsoft when all the rrod disaster happened; he was at EA in what probably was (and still is) the darkest age of the company from a creative point of view, ecc.
The man appears to me as an incredible and successful business man who only cares about making money. I guess if Peter Moore is Vince Mcmahon, Yuji Naka is Paul Heyman.
After witnessing the huge positive impact the CD addon had on PC Engine, I would say the Mega CD move made at least sense (releasing the 32X was plain crazy though).
My point of view though is that Sega, in the attempt to be "number one" at all cost against Nintendo and later Sony, fucked up its future permanence in console industry.
In the console market Sega was a very short sighted company that couldn't build a durable future after they their first achieve a glimpse of success.
Sega greatest achievements were reap in the arcade business.
hydrophilic attack
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sega was never good tbqh
i'm all in with peter on this one
i'm all in with peter on this one
Visualante2
Member
EA under Peter Moore introduced digital refunds, that later came to Steam. I imagine that is something that came out of the reputation rehabilitation group he is talking about.
Come on ...
I'm more a Nintendo guy but it's undeniable that Sega made some great games.
hydrophilic attack
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ok ristar was great
can't really think of anything else
i haven't played it, but maybe i would like shining force
can't really think of anything else
i haven't played it, but maybe i would like shining force
I don't see that at all. Every job he had in the videogame industry started with a company that was stuck and he helped move them forward. He did amazing with the Dreamcast for what he had to work with and the transition to 3rd party developer went smoothly because of his connections to Microsoft. At MS he was able to take on Sony and the 360 defined what consoles would be moving forward. Hardware problems happen the only difference between rrod and Sony's disc drive problems with PS2 was that the 3 little red lights made it easier to talk about and make fun of. Origin really improved under him and combining fantasy sports, trading cards, and online gaming was genius.
sixteen-bit
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"Tell him to fuck off" 😂
The Megadrive will forever be a beast of a console, the Dreamcast was fantastic and you do realise AM2 was a Sega studio?
Virtua Fighter, Daytona et al.
No woolyback behaviour tolerated
hydrophilic attack
Member
oh fuck, i forgot kid chameleon
but aside from that and ristar, there's not much
but aside from that and ristar, there's not much
Goose_Se7en
Banned
I read that Glixel interview last night actually. Good shit from them and some of it I heard via IGN's podcast unlocked (the episode with Phil, Peter and Seamus) and also their IGN unfiltered podcast.
Both shed some light into Peter Moore and he's seems like one of the "good guys" in the industry.
Both shed some light into Peter Moore and he's seems like one of the "good guys" in the industry.
Gentleman Jack
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The full interview is...something.
2007
3 years later, EA introduces Online Passes for their sports games, taking control away from the gamer.
2013, in response to "winning" another "Worst Company in America" award from The Consumerist
I'm not 100% sure but I want to say that 2013 is the year that EA began its practice of shutting down game servers for their sports franchises ~2 years into their lifespans.
2007
3 years later, EA introduces Online Passes for their sports games, taking control away from the gamer.
2013, in response to "winning" another "Worst Company in America" award from The Consumerist
I'm not 100% sure but I want to say that 2013 is the year that EA began its practice of shutting down game servers for their sports franchises ~2 years into their lifespans.
I interviewed for an AV Producer job at Nintendo of America last summer (working on Nintendo Directs, etc.), and the employees were telling me about some of their frustrations due to every decision having to be approved from Japan. i.e. if they need an asset for a trailer from Retro in Austin, TX, they still have to ask NCL in Japan, who then requests it from Retro -- a lot of red tape, not to mention the timezone differences.
Visualante2
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Reggie wouldn't have even shown the tape to his masters.
petran79
Banned
I side with Naka on this one,no matter his personality.
He was seeing this from the angle of a creator who gave his best years at Sega. It would be natural to feel insulted.
Moore saw things from the side of a businessman, without any experience at video games.
Also wtf about those responses. No way Sega was like a grandad in 2002. Still had unique and modern games.
He was seeing this from the angle of a creator who gave his best years at Sega. It would be natural to feel insulted.
Moore saw things from the side of a businessman, without any experience at video games.
Also wtf about those responses. No way Sega was like a grandad in 2002. Still had unique and modern games.
Peter Moore revealed this story quite a few years ago now, but it doesn't get old.
Naka seems to have a way of pissing people off. Yu Suzuki didn't speak to him for nearly two years once because of an argument.
Naka seems to have a way of pissing people off. Yu Suzuki didn't speak to him for nearly two years once because of an argument.
It wouldn't be a SEGA thread without revisionist history.