The Artful Dodger
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http://www.philly.com/philly/column...hilly_Clout__Show_us_the__street__money_.html
Which one of you is this?
Which one of you is this?
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thecouncil
Banned
lol. i cant believe it made it in OT as long as it did, really.
Greed, plain and simple.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Just realized we've been moved to community.
It's all downhill from here, friends
A sad day indeed. Every time the thread got bumped I hoped more people would join us.
I usually try to park around 2nd and Callowhill cause it's free and it's usually open around there. There's also some lots at Front and Lombard I've had luck with. I don't usually drive there often anymore though, so this was 4+ years ago.
General greed. The relationship between SEPTA labor and management is one of the worst I've seen in any labor dispute. SEPTA does a great job at spreading it's far too thin budget out and making the mass transit system work. Recently the state finally, after years of neglect, allocated more funding to SEPTA (bill passed in 2013 and went into effect in 2014) so that they could undertake capital improvement programs, and maybe even expand service and add lines. I think the local TWU saw this as a sign of money they could plunder for themselves rather than have it go to actually improving service and used this contract negotiation period to undertake exactly that.
In my opinion part of the reason the state has been so hesitant to put more money toward mass transit is that they foresaw exactly this sort of thing happening. This strike isn't just an annoyance for the short term, it's going to cause the republican controlled state legislature to be even more hesitant to make wise investments into mass transit infrastructure. The effects of this propagate the difficulties the impoverished class of Philadelphia already experience. People need to remember that while unions have accomplished a lot of good for workers rights, the unions are ultimately out to solely benefit the members of the union exclusively, even when that puts the greater good of society and local economy under threat.
thecouncil
Banned
What about election day next week? People need SEPTA to get to polling places.
If Pennsylvania falls to Trump, I'm gonna blame SEPTA. Haha.
If Pennsylvania falls to Trump, I'm gonna blame SEPTA. Haha.
I was talking about this with my brother and we were wondering if people had enough polling stations they could walk to. And also which parts of PA are red and which are blue. Figuring that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh would be places that have a heavy effect on blue
thecouncil
Banned
Philadelphia is definitely where you're getting a lot of blue, yes.
Welcome. Isn't it grand?
SEPTA filed an injunction to end the strike for good (not just for election day); that hearing is now underway
It looks like they are sick and tired of dealing with TWU 234 right now. They probably caved on healthcare and wanted to compromise on pensions, but from what I heard TWU opened up a whole new set of issues after that such as archived camera footage of incidents involving their drivers being limited to 5 minutes
It looks like they are sick and tired of dealing with TWU 234 right now. They probably caved on healthcare and wanted to compromise on pensions, but from what I heard TWU opened up a whole new set of issues after that such as archived camera footage of incidents involving their drivers being limited to 5 minutes
Captain Tuttle
Member
How about that water main break?
http://6abc.com/news/48-inch-water-main-break-floods-east-falls-shopping-center-/1590218/
Infrastructure is crumbling, this is the third one on this line
http://6abc.com/news/48-inch-water-main-break-floods-east-falls-shopping-center-/1590218/
Infrastructure is crumbling, this is the third one on this line
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
I saw this while I was at the gym. Absolutely insane. This is a result of this country plundering or cutting the infrastructure budgets and it's infuriating. Infrastructure creates convenience, eases things for business so it can grow, and creates tons of jobs while it's being built.
I know literally no details (and couldn't share them even if I did), but needless to say the SEPTA strike's effect on election day is making some of my coworkers very busy lol. Think it's a lot of "no we can't really do anything" but I really don't know.
Injunction was denied, add this judge to list of people I hate.
http://6abc.com/traffic/septa-injunction-request-declined-hearing-resumes-mon/1577465/
http://6abc.com/traffic/septa-injunction-request-declined-hearing-resumes-mon/1577465/
Ugh, It's sad how the infrastructure is falling apart!
I remember on Main St. in Manayunk there was a pipe burst over the summer that forced some local businesses to close for days on end.
Wow if TWU accepted the current agreement then the avg employee would make $76k over the life of the agreement to drive a bus around Philadelphia? A lot of people might think about switching careers for that kind of money. What's the point of getting an advanced degree to become a public school teacher when you can drive for SEPTA and make more and your legally allowed to Strike every few years.
Captain Tuttle
Member
I work out in Plymouth Meeting and was at a Burger King drive thru and noticed a sign that they were closed at night because of the Septa strike. Poor bastards probably making less than $20,000/year living paycheck to paycheck can't work because these overpaid Septa workers go on strike
It's a real shame
Yeah, its seriously such a high average that they'd earn. The amount they paid for health insurance didn't seem bad either last time I checked. I was kind of jealous. Less than what I was paying until I just dropped to a lower plan for next year. Actually that average income is higher than what I make now.
Yeah a lot of people are getting screwed over whenever they decide to strike. Its awful
At least they're gonna for another hearing on Monday...
Far too many people rely on SEPTA, especially the elderly, to get to where they need to go on a daily basis.
This shit needs to end.
I lived there until about a month ago.
http://billypenn.com/2016/11/06/gov-tom-wolf-joins-septa-strike-court-fight-time-for-it-to-end/
Tom Wolf has joined in, saying they should end it. And now the City has filed a motion (or just joined SEPTA's, not sure/don't feel like looking) asking for them to stop striking on election day.
So basically, a judge will decide tomorrow whether SEPTA workers will be forced to work on election day, but anything beyond that isn't happening.
As much as a confusion and frustration it is causing people it is my opinion that forcing them to work is just a terrible idea and against worker union to force labor.
Looking at their demands, I can respect their need for fair working conditions such as a more reasonable break time. A Septa driver isn't an easy job. and 5 min break and the fact that a bathroom isn't guaranteed to be at a driver's end of route is not right.
https://www.facebook.com/newsworks/videos/1206261239416951/?pnref=story
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/in-transit/Heres-why-SEPTAs-striking-union-is-so-upset-about-pensions.html
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Two-sides-still-talking-on-SEPTA-contract.html?mobi=true#
Strike is ending? Clinton called it in.
Strike is ending? Clinton called it in.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
Looks like it is.
Def over. Walking through the tunnel to the broad street line on locust to hit up the wawa.
Def over. Walking through the tunnel to the broad street line on locust to hit up the wawa.
yankeehater
Member
I lived there until 3 years ago. God I miss it so much, it was such a nice place to live.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Of course the strike is over after I decide to drive to work. So now I'm stuck behind this mess here at 5th and Market. What the hell.
The Artful Dodger
Member
Going to this tonight if anybody is interested
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Alright chaps, for those of you who haven't voted yet, there are two ballot questions:
Please note, the mandatory retirement age for judges is already 70. If you vote YES on this you will be extending the retirement age by five years. If you vote NO for this you are voting to keep the mandatory retirement age the same, at age 70.
This is a pretty standard ask by the city and they always pass. The important thing to note here is that:
So what you think sounds like great uses could actually be spent on lord knows what. It could go to the wasteful PHA. It could go to row offices. City council does whatever they want with this money and is not bound to any usage.
Vote your conscience as always.
Please note, the mandatory retirement age for judges is already 70. If you vote YES on this you will be extending the retirement age by five years. If you vote NO for this you are voting to keep the mandatory retirement age the same, at age 70.
Personally I will be voting NO. Judges are already old enough and crotchety enough as is.
This is a pretty standard ask by the city and they always pass. The important thing to note here is that:
So what you think sounds like great uses could actually be spent on lord knows what. It could go to the wasteful PHA. It could go to row offices. City council does whatever they want with this money and is not bound to any usage.
Given that the city budget is woefully underfunded and mismanaged I personally always vote NO on these. They still always pass.
Vote your conscience as always.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Actually, the question was worded properly last time. Last time it stated "Would you like to extend the retirement age to 75".
This time it's implied there is no retirement age for judges. It was fought for by some prominent republican judges facing retirement. It's pretty scummy that they changed the wording of the bill to be more favorable for them.
The measure failed during the primaries, but that didn't count because it was invalidated like a two weeks before the election.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
You can register as part of the process as far as I remember.
Oh thanks for clarifying. Pretty crazy. If the woman hadn't been outside my polling place I'd have no idea and she didn't know of it until very recently herself. Polling place did have something from the office of the AG about it on the store window but I don't know if anyone reads those.
Via Purifico
Banned
Pat Toomey won. Christ sakes.
They worded that to make it sound like if you voted yes then the mandatory retirement age would be lowered.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
This.
You voted for Christie, twice.
unsurprising after 2 corrupt Democrat governors
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Real talk, I think the SEPTA strike caused ring suburbs to go more Republican than they otherwise would have. It was such an in your face example of the dysfunction of the democratic party. Tens of thousands of people trying to get to work to earn money to help their families stymied by a public transit strike. If 100,000 people of the 4,000,000 in the city and suburbs vote differently the state flips. I'd be curious to see how much their vote differed compared to the previous election.
I'd believe that if it was an isolated incident. But there was no SEPTA strike in Florida or other places where there was the Trump wave. Also PA along doesn't give Hillary the win.
Horrible voter turn out across the country in this election. Hillary got 6.8m less votes than Obama. Trump got 1.9m less votes than Romney.
On the other hand when I voted in district 23 there was a long line. I don't remember any recent election when there was a line like that at my polling place.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
I'm not talking nationally, just locally. There's a multitude of reasons like this in many states, but I think this could have been a factor here. Not saying she'd have won if this worked out, but the strike played into the hands of what rural pennsyltucky republicans have been saying about Philly for so long that it seems significant to me.