I don't think that would have worked considering how the games after the original trilogy are playing up on dealing with the corruption that was made evident in previous games.
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Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice |OT| Khura'in, not Kurain
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I don't think that would have worked considering how the games after the original trilogy are playing up on dealing with the corruption that was made evident in previous games.
The Hermit
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I am just beggining aai2. Cant wait. Skipped aai1 because people say it and (só do you)that its terrible.
AAI1 is worth playing.
No game in the series is worth skipping. Ridiculous hyperbole.
^This and:
AAI2 builds upon what AAI1 sets up. As with the main series, it makes little sense to skip one or the other and you will definitely get more out of the game when you played AAI1 beforehand. Especially since AAI2 plays like one week after the end of 1 or something.
The Hermit
Member
Ok, I'll play it first.
What about Layton vs PW?
What about Layton vs PW?
I just said don't skip any game in the series.
Unless you really don't like Layton, play it. The story is a lot more Layton than Wright.
Layton v PW was super weak. It's more in the style of Layton in storytelling and gameplay. The trials weren't fun either. Play that if you have nothing else to play and want more PW.
Cymbal Head
Banned
The only ranking that really matters is Ema > Gumshoe > Fulbright
WrenchNinja
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Case 5 is amazing. Just holy shit.
mrmickfran
Member
DLC is out today right? Gonna play through the Theater ones and then the main one.
i didn't mind the ending. it was everything in-between that got under my skin. what a slog. Takumi's involvement didn't make it better. felt like Level 5 still controlled everything.
i didn't mind the ending. it was everything in-between that got under my skin. what a slog. Takumi's involvement didn't make it better. felt like Level 5 still controlled everything.
mrmickfran
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Not75Drops
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Finished this a few days ago and Case 5 was pretty good. I feel like case 3 wasn't so much of a chore like in other AA games I've played (haven't played AAI2 but I know what happens). It'll be interesting to see where the main series goes from here, especially since the team is apparently taking a break?
I understand what some people are saying about Case 4, but to be honest, I don't know where else they could place it in the game.
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On another note, I think I spoiled myself about the villain for the DLC case, so I probably won't buy it for a while.
I understand what some people are saying about Case 4, but to be honest, I don't know where else they could place it in the game.
Putting it straight after Case 1 would be weird because we haven't been introduced to Athena or Apollo yet and we would have two trial-only cases in a row, after Case 2 would create too long of a break between Japanifornia and Khura'in and would introduce Maya pretty late.
On another note, I think I spoiled myself about the villain for the DLC case, so I probably won't buy it for a while.
Orniletter
Banned
Your opinion is garbage.
The AceAttorney part may be a bit vanilla and the overarching plot has AA4-tier plotholes....
...it's super competent as a Layton and an AA game and the sheer production values elevate the experience. It's the prettiest game with the best OST in the entire series.
I can't be bothered googling it, but there should be a gif of Larry giving the thumbs up of approval here
Also the ending is better than half the Layton games. That's what you should expect from the series. Mob examinations were very cool too.
it's the best Layton game in Layton series, but as a AA game, it might be at the bottom of the barrel for me.
AppleSeason
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So, from what I can gather reading a few post from the thread...
- The game is more centered around Apollo and Phoenix / Maya don't seem to get a lot of screen time / spotlight?
- The game is more of an Apollo Justice 2?
If that's the case, I'm probably going to pass this time. Except for Miles Edgeworth investigations, I have never liked anything that came out after Trials and Tribulations. I had hopes for the series to improve with Dual Destinies, but it ended being the biggest disappointment of the saga for me.
- The game is more centered around Apollo and Phoenix / Maya don't seem to get a lot of screen time / spotlight?
- The game is more of an Apollo Justice 2?
If that's the case, I'm probably going to pass this time. Except for Miles Edgeworth investigations, I have never liked anything that came out after Trials and Tribulations. I had hopes for the series to improve with Dual Destinies, but it ended being the biggest disappointment of the saga for me.
nope, you're wrong. it's a follow-up for both Phoenix and Apollo. it's not Apollo 2. Capcom has been making it more of an ensemble cast since AA5 and it's even more apparent here. AA6 is awesome and should not be missed. It feels more like the older than games in both gameplay and writing.
Orniletter
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Mob cross examinations were such nice twist on an old idea, I agree.
For the overarching plot/ending complaints. I agree that it didn't wrap itself up as neatly as most AA games (especially 3 and 4) but, as you said, thats the way it is with Layton games and I think the ride was more than worth it in the end.
Some of the handpainted stereoscopic 3D background had me in awe.
I think that's absolutely fine.
I just think as a whole (the combination of Ace Attorney gameplay, Layton puzzles, the gorgeous visuals and OST and the flawed but entertaining story) it's definitely woth experiencing. The witch trials aren't in my top 10 AA cases either, but they are still well constructed.
the only thing i liked about Layton vs PW was (ending spoilers):
finding out they live in the same universe. That means they can always have another team-up in the future.
AppleSeason
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Orniletter
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just jump in! i didn't like AA4 and i liked AA5 even with its flaws and braindead easy "investigation" segments. AA6 fixed all those issues. i found both the investigation segments and trials fun as well and surprisingly challenging. i won't spoil anything but the writing is super solid as well.
mrmickfran
Member
Case 3 shenanigans:
Phoenix:
was a rebel!
Gallery: How blasphemous! Send this lawyer to the pits of hell!
Later on...
Sahdmadhi:
was a rebel!
Gallery: Say it isn't so!
Phoenix:
The victim
Gallery: How blasphemous! Send this lawyer to the pits of hell!
Later on...
Sahdmadhi:
The victim
Gallery: Say it isn't so!
i feel the cases don't feel as dragged out as AA5 even if they're long. i actually got tired of some trials in AA5 while i was enjoying AA6 a lot more through out. if only they had placed Case 4 in a better spot, it would be pretty well paced.
Also, the localization seems way better than AA5 (aside fromt he insane typos). i found AA5 kinda dry. AA6 had more punchy exchanges. Not sure if it was the same in original JPN but that's how it felt to me.
PLvsAA is not super weak. I think most people have issues with the far out ending which is typical of PL games but still I liked it more than this game and character arcs are more fulfilling. The pacing is much better in PLvsAA as well.
Just compare case 3 of both games, both are the best cases imo in each of the games but PLvsAA is clearly superior.
Just compare case 3 of both games, both are the best cases imo in each of the games but PLvsAA is clearly superior.
Avoided reading most of this thread so I don't get spoiled, but when is the best time to do the DLC case? After finishing the game or before the last case? I know it felt weird doing the DLC case for the last game after knowing the ending twist and this case clearly happening before that. >_>
Yet to touch the DLC, but it's set after the final case.
Awesome. Thank you!
Emeer Punchenbaug makes experiencing Wright vs. Layton a must, that guy was hilarious. I thought the Mob Cross Examinations were really interesting, the stakes were high and there were some cool twists during trials. I can't really complain about it, it's like setting an Ace Attorney game in a Layton universe with Puzzles during the investigation sequences, really felt like a best of both worlds.
Shift Breaker
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I found Dual Destinies to be about Apollo than Phoenix, so if anything this is more Apollo Justice 3. Which is fair, given how the first Apollo Justice was pretty much entirety all about Phoenix.
As for the DLC case, the info is out there but I'll spoiler it if people fancy a surprise. It's out, by the way. The prosecutor is
Miles Edgeworth.
Maya and Edgeworth, this is very much set up to be the nostalgia case.
Speaking of Larry, from his introduction at the start of the case you can tell that he's another character that's made the transition from a 2D sprite to a 3D model seamlessly. The 3D model representations are an underrated aspect of this game.
I dunno, AA5 and
its whole "Dark Age of Law" was tied into Phoenix's situation from the last game more than Apollo - Phoenix was the one who closed off the final case with Edgeworth and the final villain even masked himself as him. Apollo's friend was part of it and he had that whole situation with distrusting Athena, but that still feels more like a side role to the overall case.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
While we may disagree with many things, it does warm my heart that at least we all agree that Princess Rayfa and Datz A'rebal are awesome.
Probably a little more suited for the spoiler thread but both AA5 and AA6 have the same problem with Apollo: they want to make stories which are about him, but are forced to make a Phoenix Wright game so his plots just gets unnaturally shoved into whatever story they're doing. They're serving three masters, trying to make games for each attorney. AA6's pay off is much better than AA5 so it's a little easier to ignore.
Spoilery for both AA5 and AA6:
Spoilery for both AA5 and AA6:
ffs stop just making it a giant coincidence that Apollo is involved in these plots. Phoenix had no idea about Apollo and Athena's gigantic connection in AA5. Now he's going to Khura'in and again he's absolutely clueless. In AA4 he was in the know. He should've known in both cases. Their justification was "Apollo doesn't talk about himself" but Phoenix knows his true parentage and was supposedly helping Edgeworth with Blackquill in AA5. There's no reason he shouldn't be aware of these things. Stop making him an idiot, the story makes so much sense if Phoenix is aware of these connections and intentionally pushing Apollo and Athena. Watch next game Phoenix gets himself in a huge plot and surprise surprise Athena is deeply connected and he had no idea
If AA5 is the only one you've played, go back and play in release order. Which means Trilogy -> AA4 -> AA6.
If you only played AA5 before, go through the rest in order, imo.
mdtauk
Member
The story was happening around Apollo, and it was Maya and Phoenix that got caught up in it this time.
There's not really any excuse for it just be a giant coincidence either way.
Orniletter
Banned
That bit about Apollo swooping in in the finale better not be a big spoiler, Maragidyne.
I think the issue being presented is that
it's all just a big coincidence that Phoenix and Maya end up in the country Apollo was raised in, and get involved in a case involving Apollo's nonbiological father.
it was all a big coincidence that Athena, Simon and Apollo's trauma all comes from the same incident despite nothing suggesting a connection between Apollo and Athena prior.
it was either always about Apollo, or if Phoenix went to Khura'in for a reason involving Apollo.
Yes. Literally both issues would be solved if Phoenix was a little more knowledgeable ala AA4 and it wouldn't really change the story at all except it would all make a lot more sense.
All stories like these are going to be made up of a lot of random coincidences, but you don't need more than is necessary. The original trilogy was pretty good at keeping the coincidences seeming pretty natural to the story.
mdtauk
Member
All the coincidences with Phoenix being present at places where murders occur is part and parcel of the series.
But the
revolution
Dhurke may have eventually approached Apollo and asked him to come help
High priest, and his Wife
Like I said, having Phoenix slightly more aware would have changed nothing but it would no longer be a coincidence. Some coincidences are to be expected, but don't make it one when it doesn't need to be.
Investigations 2 is good in this regard. Eventually Edgeworth
Still lots of coincidences but it means everything adds up in a more natural way. Maybe it's because Phoenix and his crew aren't as observant as Edgeworth
In SoJ's case,
realises that all the coincidences are uncanny and deduces that there's a mastermind behind the scenes pulling the strings.
In SoJ's case,
the story could have been altered incredibly slightly to not strain my suspension of disbelief more than necessary. Loved it all the same, but it could have gelled a bit better.