Gambit 1138
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Have you seen Avengers?
Place your bets: Age of Ultron vs The Force Awakens
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Have you seen Avengers?
Yup the MCU demographic is dominated by dudes over the age of 25, it'll never have the pop culture relevancy of Star Wars or Jurassic Park
While it's perfectly fine to be a huge fan of all of these movies we are discussing, you guys do realize that the Star Wars films are also kid's films by the standards that you are using for Marvel. I mean, the $2B US a year the franchise pushes in toys, lunch pails, and pajamas should be a hint. It's not an accident that most people became huge Star Wars fans at like 9 years old.
Gambit 1138
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Whats even more sad is that Universal in Florida demolished parts of the Jurassic Park area to make way for Harry Potter expansion and are knee deep in construction of a King Kong ride based off Peter Jackson's 2005 flop that eats up a big chunk of land that could have been used for a new Jurassic Park ride. I bet they feel foolish now.
It seems like in Hollywood only a few people like Rob Marshall and Kathleen kennedy had any confidence in these types of movies while most suits were just happy with stuff like Marvel and Hunger Games bringing in $600 mil ticket sales. If Sony did a proper Ghostbusters sequel it would make huge money too but they still have much to learn.
I think another important thing is for the old boys like Spielberg, Zemekis, and Lucas to step down now and let passionate hungry new filmmakers have the chance to create blockbusters in the classic style. The reason the Prequels, Lost World, and Indy 4 were made the way they were is because the directors were bored out of their mind and already fat and rich off of success. It was more of an obligation to make the movie rather than any real desire to tell a cool story or give a new take.
This is anecdotal but the chances of my wife going to see an Avengers film are 0. She'll go and see Star Wars with me but not that bothered. She's the one who booked the opening night tickets for JW.
Gambit 1138
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Star Wars, Jurassic park, and the rest of the 70s/80s/90s blockbusters had MASSIVE appeal and captured the imagination of the ENTIRE world. Its hard to understand to imagine unless you were there at the time. Stuff like Marvel and Hunger Games are made on lower budgets, marketed specifically at niche audiances, and are pumped up by artificial hype. It's very hard to explain theres no real hollywood magic to them in the same way that movies like the original Star Wars trilogy, Indiana Jones, Jurassic park, Terminator 1 & 2, Back to the Future, Aliens, etc. had. It's a totally different level dude.
I mean go watch Thor or any Marvel movie and tell me its anywhere near comparable to this shit:
WadiumArcadium
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I'll eat my hat if Furious 7 beats the Force Awakens.
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Ultron has become irrelevant when it comes to being a pop culture influence.
Marvel movies that had a shot were first iron man and maybe first Avengers.
Marvel movies that had a shot were first iron man and maybe first Avengers.
DeathoftheEndless
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According to IMDB's estimates, Avengers 2 had a budget $100 million higher than Jurassic World. So no.
Marketed at niche audiences? Artificial hype? What do these even mean?
Gambit 1138
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The only Marvel movies that have any Pop Culture influence were the first Spider-Man and maybe X-Men but ironically Marvel doesn't get much credit or money from those
Gambit 1138
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Most of that budget was sucked up by paying the actors it didnt go into the movie itself though.
Linkstrikesback
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Today I learnt that the marvel movies/ avengers franchise is apparently a niche movie.
Urm.
Urm.
Gambit 1138
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When Thor Ragnarok has a $600 million opening weekend and is dropping those B's we'll come back and talk.
MCU films also have less Pop culture influence than Mac and Me or Short Circuit.
Gambit and others are just talking out of their ass. If something isn't the biggest franchise of all time, apparently it is ephemeral trash.
Linkstrikesback
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What, so if a movie isn't busting the opening weekend records, it's niche?
Either I misunderstand what that word means, or you do.
Hero_of_the_Day
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In 48 hours from now I will be accepting your apologies....
Ha! May be a little premature since we've only had a single weekend. But, you just might win in the end.
Gambit 1138
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niche might be a bit of an exaggeration I just meant that Marvel Studios films don't have the same broad appeal that Jurassic Park and Star Wars do.
To be fair, we had a thread declaring AOU would have a 300 mil domestic opening weekend. Virtually every prediction for it was it would get the opening weekend record. GAF, the internet in general, and the media vastly over-predicted what it would do.
We live in a world where Furious 7 out-grossed Avengers. And Jurassic World is almost guaranteed to do the same. No one would have expected that last year.
I wouldn't ever use the term niche, but Ultron did definitely under-perform.
I disagree and I think your talking out of your ass regarding those movies because you don't like them but they are huge and to do a cinematic universe like they have is an accomplishment.
Star Wars will be huge because it's an event especially with the original actors and its star wars.
Gambit 1138
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To be fair I expected Star Wars and Jurassic World to be the top films of 2015 last year and I'm still sticking with that
Linkstrikesback
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Ultron probably underperformed because it wasn't as good a movie as it should have been, and it's hard to stop word of mouth when that happens.
I mean, yeah, it still made approximately all the money, but it could have made all the money. But that's an argument that's probably been done to death by now.
Worldwide, both of those could outgross Star Wars as well. Lets wait until January to see how things play out.
Age of Ultron underperformed domestically for sure. I'd say to the tune of $50-100M (assuming a $455M finish). Europe/Australia underperformed as well, but some of that was us underestimating the effect that weaker currency would have. Asia and Latin America performed as expected. Overseas gross will finish somewhere in the $940-950M range most likely. I originally thought at least $1B overseas.
Furious 7 had a bigger than expected boost overseas no doubt, but really the insane Chinese gross is what pushed the film to those heights. Furious 7's WW - China gross will likely be the lowest of the big 4 this year. With China, it could be the highest if Jurassic World has average legs, and Star Wars doesn't blow up overseas.
AdventureRacing
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It's easy to say that now when JW has just had the biggest opening of all time. Last year few people if anyone would have predicted JW would be this big let alone beat the avengers. I also think that was a poor prediction to make even though it will turn out to be the correct one. In the end AOU suffered quality wise and the marketing wasnt up to scratch and the movie suffered at the BO. I wouldn't have expected that to happen last year.
Gambit 1138
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Your right it is easy. Good thing Its all on record:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=167923875&postcount=894
Made my original statement on 1-1-15 and I probably said it before that too but I can't find it in search right now.
I don't know what your point is, but I hope you realize that The Lost World almost made a billion dollars with calculated inflation in only 7 markets (compare this today, with Avengers 2 opening in 41 markets). Where ticket prices were a lot cheaper, and without 3D.
Jurassic Park 3 was a dud, sure. But 300 million on a 90 million budget is nothing to sneeze at.
And let's not forget about the original which is still held highly and fondly. Those exact children and teens who watched Jurassic Park now have kids. 14-23 years for a direct sequel builds a type of anticipation that most franchises don't have.
TheKaeptain
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Star Wars, Jurassic park, and the rest of the 70s/80s/90s blockbusters had MASSIVE appeal and captured the imagination of the ENTIRE world. Its hard to understand to imagine unless you were there at the time. Stuff like Marvel and Hunger Games are made on lower budgets, marketed specifically at niche audiances, and are pumped up by artificial hype. It's very hard to explain theres no real hollywood magic to them in the same way that movies like the original Star Wars trilogy, Indiana Jones, Jurassic park, Terminator 1 & 2, Back to the Future, Aliens, etc. had. It's a totally different level dude.
I mean go watch Thor or any Marvel movie and tell me its anywhere near comparable to this shit:
I want to hug you.
In what world does Marvel make films for a niche audience when they have managed to produces three films that have grossed 400M+ domestic and at least 1.2B WW? Go to your local big box store and see how much MCU merchandise is on the shelves. Niche products don't get that kind of shelf space.
They had the biggest film of summer 2014 and did it with an unknown property that was released in August, a month not know for having the biggest summer film.
Low budget? GoTG had a 170M budget and it wasn't because they paid the actors. Its big star was the same guy who starred in JW.
I'm not a big fan of two of their three biggest films and I think most of their films are average at best but some of the points made in this thread are nonsense.
They had the biggest film of summer 2014 and did it with an unknown property that was released in August, a month not know for having the biggest summer film.
Low budget? GoTG had a 170M budget and it wasn't because they paid the actors. Its big star was the same guy who starred in JW.
I'm not a big fan of two of their three biggest films and I think most of their films are average at best but some of the points made in this thread are nonsense.
DeathoftheEndless
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Wafflecakes
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Easy to say that now tbh.
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nvm
Dreams-Visions
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Alright brehs. So here we are. The final Star Wars trailer came out.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1126922
The hype for me hasn't been this high for a movie in a decade. I don't want to call anyone on the carpet just yet, but I will ask those of you who concluded that Age of Ultron would be the higher grossing of the two films have had a change of heart yet.
And oh yes, this thread is bookmarked so I'll be right back here on opening weekend.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1126922
The hype for me hasn't been this high for a movie in a decade. I don't want to call anyone on the carpet just yet, but I will ask those of you who concluded that Age of Ultron would be the higher grossing of the two films have had a change of heart yet.
And oh yes, this thread is bookmarked so I'll be right back here on opening weekend.
I revise my stance, but of course we also have the benefit of hindsight to see how AoU performed and a film like Jurassic World performed (which benefited a great deal from nostalgia like TFA will).
I was also not hyped on a new Star Wars at all until I've seen the trailers so I'm glad to be wrong.
I was also not hyped on a new Star Wars at all until I've seen the trailers so I'm glad to be wrong.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm still surprised anyone could have doubted the Star Wars brand, but w/e. Welcome to the dark side of the Force, my friend.
And who will be next to get baptized?
Spyder_Monkey
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Star Wars will top Avatar.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You're letting the hype get the better of you.
Hero_of_the_Day
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If the world loves it, it's possible. Jurassic World fucking sucked and became the third biggest movie of all time. So, anything's possible.
BUT, I think whatever comes next will be just like Titanic and Avatar in that it'll be something that no one sees coming.
And from James fucking Cameron.
Hazelhurst
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It beats Titanic. Calling it.
Do you have a James Cameron reference bat signal or something? It's like clockwork haha.
Discotheque
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this thread title looks even more absurd now than it did when it was created.
Dreams-Visions
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He is rarely late, I must agree. lol
I'm betting on $700 million+ domestic
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If I'm alive, it will be bumped on release day (Thursday, to give lots souls one last opportunity to repent on the altar), the end of the weekend (Monday) and once it approaches records.
And unless it's somehow a turd of the highest order in the class of Jupiter Ascending or some such, it *will* approach records.
...and finally once it sets records. IF it sets records.
To be honest, as mediocre as Jurassic World was, Im actually glad that it beat out Age of Ultron.
Finally watched it not too long ago and what a worthless pile of nothing. Fucking shameful excuse of a movie.
Tallshortman
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No contest, it will fly past age of ultron.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Funny how hindsight works.
I think if Star Wars turns out mediocre, it'll end up right around Age of Ultron. If it turns out great, it'll be around the first Avengers and Jurassic World. I think the difference between 1.4 and 1.6 billion is fucking massive. And the difference between 1.6 and 2.7 billion is titanic.
It cant be worse than it.
Discotheque
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yeah i said as much when i saw jurassic world. it was a pretty crappy blockbuster but still more enjoyable than age of ultron.
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