mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
100% THIS! Hence why Sony feels how they feel about the 25 million number. They've been close before.
100% THIS! Hence why Sony feels how they feel about the 25 million number. They've been close before.
Shake Your Rump
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Eiknarf
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Wait why's he banned? I didn't know moderators did that here.Shame that it's not a perm
AngelMuffin
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That's pretty good on multiple levels.
No it's way stranger than that, they were 1 company, split into 2 due to an argument over cigarettes and drew a line across the world a la i live Lucy cigarettes bro on 1 side no smokes on the other,
They're still separated with traders Joe's the loophole for one of them to enter the US market
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think that's one of the reasons it polls so high. Same with Tesla.
mrmustard
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They do it, but unfortunately some of the worst console warriors seem to have a free pass:
Alan Wake
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I've been very busy playing but when I look at the games in my shelf I realize very few of them are true next gen. And not only that, they don't really feel next gen either. Yes, the pandemic is partly to blame - Ragnarök would've been a PS5 exclusive. I guess now is the best time to jump in, although at a higher price (luckily for us who were early adopters).
Aenima
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"Sony look really bad, wow!"
Kilau
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MatrixReloaded101
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By your comment I am going to assume your younger because in the past when a new console launches we would see bigger jumps in innovation from gameplay, graphics, etc not just an FPS boost.
But I agree that its nice to see faster load times and more 60 FPS games but that's not enough of a leap IMO. This gen feels more like a PS4 Pro 2 than a whole new console gen.
But more next gen only games are releasing so hopefully we will start to see a real shift.
twilo99
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eh who knows what metrics they used for this, but some of those brands do make sense
shubik
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Im 35 and game my whole life. I started with a SNES.
I agree that we had bigger leaps in the past. But that was to be expected.
pasterpl
Member
Sony missing this target might explain the price cuts. They are chasing this target and even upped the yearly forecast. they need Spider-Man to push lots of consoles at this lower price. People seems to not understand that if company is missing its target is always a bad sign. Cannot you remember thread when MS missed some of the targets for Xbox?
MasterCornholio
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Don't think it means the PS5 is failing. If it is then everyone else is doomed. Could ve a sign of the markets death.
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Drizzlehell
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What do smartphones and Apple have to do with this?
DenchDeckard
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Ffs pouring one out for the homie.
It's quite clearly a joke but I guess it crossed the line. Please don't get perma next time
On topic. Sony are doing so well, if they don't hit 25 mill it will be close, like 22 to 23 mill imo. I mean you've got the best selling box with the biggest mindshare and your £80 cheaper than the competition that's acting like an already half dead lepper victim this generation. The only thing is that lepper is a trillionaire who's slowly dragging its corpse down the high Street trying to buy everything hoping for a cure...time will tell if they find the miracle cure...
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James Sawyer Ford
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Missing a target isn't a bad if the target is set super high.
They are looking to outsell ps4's highest years, that's a pretty hard ask. They may be able to do it though.
MasterCornholio
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And the fact they are still sharing numbers says something as well. I'm really not seeing this as the death of PlayStation or anything similar.
Portugeezer
Member
The sales expectations were high.
Regardless of that, hopefully a wakeup call after that hot-garbage summer PlayStation Showcase killed excitement.
Regardless of that, hopefully a wakeup call after that hot-garbage summer PlayStation Showcase killed excitement.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Terrible bait thread.
Threads like this are gonna be a meme by the end of the year when after Spiderman 2 releases.
Threads like this are gonna be a meme by the end of the year when after Spiderman 2 releases.
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DenchDeckard
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I'm staying positive, I think it's a good sign that Sony has found out it can't just sell boxes off hype alone, that lasted for 3 years and now they need to start showing next gen games. They showed Spiderman like what? 2 years ago. We haven't seen anything else at all.
They gotta have a huge showcase planned for any day now to show games coming first half next year.
The positive side is they are still having record breaking numbers but it has slow3d to what they expected, so they've had to opt for an injection by dropping a considerable sale on the hardware. This will only work for a burst of sales and needs backing up with game announcements.
Positives for all sides. Sony gets the sales they want. Fans will get game announc3ments soon that hopefully blow us all away.
They gotta have a huge showcase planned for any day now to show games coming first half next year.
The positive side is they are still having record breaking numbers but it has slow3d to what they expected, so they've had to opt for an injection by dropping a considerable sale on the hardware. This will only work for a burst of sales and needs backing up with game announcements.
Positives for all sides. Sony gets the sales they want. Fans will get game announc3ments soon that hopefully blow us all away.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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peish
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i think consoles sales have peaked at tail end of covid
games are getting too expensive. people are getting mobile. hardcore will prefer playing on more poweful pc. who can stand 30fps these days?
so this is why ps5 has been getting discounted
Sony last chance is to market ps+ extra, give gamers more incentives to stay the course
games are getting too expensive. people are getting mobile. hardcore will prefer playing on more poweful pc. who can stand 30fps these days?
so this is why ps5 has been getting discounted
Sony last chance is to market ps+ extra, give gamers more incentives to stay the course
MasterCornholio
Member
I think Sony already knows how important games are to the PS5s success. If it was for their lineup in the beginning things would have turned out differently. Although I agree the strength of the brand is helping them a lot right now. Which isn't a bad thing as long as they deliver.
DenchDeckard
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Completely agree.
Personally, I do feel they were very intelligent with how they bolstered the ps5 launch years with ps4 games which helped them massively. If they didn't have spider man, miles morales, horizon, gt7, god of war. Which were all ps4 games..they would have had demons souls, ratchet and clank and returnal. Not bad but not amazing. It was a clever move and it paid off big time. Now I want to see their true next gen games from their larger studios.
MasterCornholio
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I definitely expect there's a lot thet we haven't seen yet. Although we will probably get those titles either half way or towards the end of the gen. Curious to see what their plans for next year is.
pasterpl
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I don't think Sony is failing, just highlighting the fact that missing a target set by a company usually means that shareholders will be unhappy. Upping the year;y target was done probably to make the fact that q1 target was missed look not so negative. The fact that they want to chase their higher target is beneficial for the players as this means price cuts and hopefully more, better games that will push people to buy hardware.
Sharing numbers have nothing to do with this. It's a company policy that's all. No one sane would say that this means "the death of Playstation". They are still outselling Xbox approx 2:1 and are gaming market share.
Missing a target is always bad in eyes of shareholders. This means that 1. Market changed vs what it was when the target was set, 2. Sony ability to forecast accurately is somehow off, 3. Market might be getting saturated, 4. Events outside the Sony control are having an impact.
as stated above, this usually means price cuts and trying to capture bigger audience with better games, so gamers win. Unless Sony puts that new sales target for the year in hands of their GaaS games push.
Sony still got marketing rights to the new CoD and this game always sales and push hardware sales, they have got Spider-Man for this year as well.
MasterCornholio
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Usually Sony isn't transparent with numbers if they are doing horribly. They usually give them when they reach important milestones or are doing very well.
Obviously you were thinking about Xbox but I was talking about when Sony doesn't share numbers with us.
When Sony stops sharing numbers it means there is something really wrong.
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DenchDeckard
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It got discounted by £80 in UK and in Europe ahead of america. Our inflation is FUCKED in the UK so I don't quite understand what you are implying here?
8BiTw0LF
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I'm implying sales would've been higher if people in Europe didn't suffer from inflation. Here in Denmark we're still paying a lot more for goods than pre 2021.
DenchDeckard
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But sales on everything would be higher if inflation wasn't as bad? Its just the way it is. Have they not cut the price of the PS5 in Denmark?
I don't know their reference point for 2008. They sold as many consoles as they did in 2008? The gaming market is much larger today than 2008. (The United States total population is ~50million more now then in 2008, for example).
I do know (based on this thread) that they missed their own forecast for the quarter by ~30% and a ~million consoles. If it is true (no clue, didn't verify the tweets), then it is possible a portion of that million sales is due to folks like me just reinvesting in my PC setup. (Sure like maybe a couple 100k sales, but then we now can figure out what a few means to us).
I'm maybe also very wrong and every person that bought a PS3/PS4 to play Sony exclusives, will now buy a PS5 to compliment their PC. (I just doubt it.)
None of that may matter though. Hypothetically if for every lost sale of a PS5 console, they sold a PC gamer a $60 PC download of Ratchet and Clank… then they probably enjoy that margin much better.
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peish
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there's little reason for smaller physical stores to keep ps5 stocks. it's big takes up space and not many gamers buy physical games
Woopah
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Physical is still important even on PS5. For example, in Europe there were more physical copies of FFXVI sold than digital copies.
mrmustard
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Who cares? Buy it online in one of the bazillion stores.
100 million physical games were sold on ps5 last year, and probably another 100 million switch games as well, plus probably a couple dozen million more on Xbox, approaching a quarter of a billion physical games are still sold annually,
YeulEmeralda
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The reason why we don't have bigger leaps isn't because of hardware. It is because videogames take 3 years and 100 million dollars.
Nobody is going to experiment unless they're funded directly by Sony. They all play it safe.
DenchDeckard
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6 years and 200 million dollars, nowadays!
shubik
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I completely agree. The amount of work that needs to be done to create a real leap is the defining factor.
Kagoshima_Luke
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This has been the worst console gen in the past several decades. It's sad when Demons Souls is still the top PS5 exclusive, and that was a launch game.
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