Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/playstation-plus-has-32m-uk-subscribers-wide-ranging-ofcom-study-reveals
Anything surprising to you?
Not sure if the xbox numbers are exclusive or inclusive.
PlayStation Plus has 3.2m UK subscribers, wide-ranging Ofcom study reveals
Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/playstation-plus-has-32m-uk-subscribers-wide-ranging-ofcom-study-reveals
Anything surprising to you?
Not sure if the xbox numbers are exclusive or inclusive.
Gen.Grievous
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PC users can also buy gamepass so maybe they are included.
Dick Jones
Banned
4.1m subscribers of Xbox Gamepass or Live Gold is impressive. If we knew the amount of Xbones and Series X/S in the wild we'd know how impressive the attachment rate is.
Actually shocked at how low the Nintendo numbers are considering the number of Switches and the low cost of subscription.
Actually shocked at how low the Nintendo numbers are considering the number of Switches and the low cost of subscription.
Banjo64
cumsessed
It's pretty surprising to me too, but this is from Ofcom so it's as accurate as we'll ever get outside of Sony/MS providing the stats direct.
3.2 to 4.1 million subs is definitely a much larger gap than anyone would have guessed.
TheGodfather07
Member
xbox is confusing. theres just gamepass, gamepass ultimate and xbox live on its own. how are they counting it all up?
kingfey
Banned
That would explain it.
kingfey
Banned
Xbox live gold. Normal gamepass + normal Xbox live gold. Gamepass ultimate, but no Xbox live gold count.
It's like the new Ps+. Ps+ essential, and ps+ extra, deluxe.
kingfey
Banned
It's mostly guess for these type of analysis, or educated research.
Xbox is still tight lips about their numbers.
So any data with Xbox, is just an educated guess, as there isn't enough info.
kingfey
Banned
As
Gen.Grievous
said, PC users is helping gamepass. So the numbers would be higher for gamepass.If we go by the xbox live gold numbers, gamepass xbox would be smaller.
Dick Jones
Banned
This deflates it, so the numbers are bullshit. Disappointing. I'd rather real tangible figures to look at.
kingfey
Banned
That would depend on MS giving a f*ck about us normal consumers.
Since they stopped reporting their numbers, this type of stuff was our only source for their numbers.
Banjo64
cumsessed
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/238361/online-nation-2022-report.pdf
PSVR is the market leader for VR in the UK for Q4 21.
Regarding methodology;
PSVR is the market leader for VR in the UK for Q4 21.
Regarding methodology;
ANIMAL1975
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spons
Gold Member
They're about as trustworthy as exit polls at an election.
Bernd Lauert
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So... very trustworthy?
Anyway, I'm not surprised by Xbox success. Nintendo numbers surprised me a bit, their online service is kinda shit, their numbers are better than I expected. Then again I'm subscribed to it...
spons
Gold Member
Yes, because they're literally asking what you subscribe to, then extrapolate it to the general audience. If the groups of respondents is varied and representative, then it should be pretty damn accurate.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You can't add them though. Most XBLG users would have upgraded to GP. This datapoint needs explicit confirmation whether or not these numbers are exclusive or inclusive.
TheGodfather07
Member
they forgot about ps now, like everybody else. ps now only had 3.2m subscribers that was reported in early 2021.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
PS Now is in the bigger report. 7% of 2.1m users, so roughly 147k people in the UK, subscribe to PS Now.
Bernd Lauert
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onnextflix5
Member
Very inaccurate numbers, only using small no. Of shity surveys
Dick Jones
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My comment was when I thought these were real figures. They are as fake as CJ Parker's knockers.
kingfey
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If total numbers anything to go by, I would say stadia numbers by regions.
kingfey
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Not every xbox live gold users.
As of now, there are like 18m-20m xbox users, using gamepass, while the rest is on pc.
Even with those numbers, half of those don't use gamepass ultimate, due to xcloud being only 10m userbase.
Around 30m are still on xbox live gold (since xbox online games before the f2p change needed the service to work).
If those users are jumping to gamepass, then gamepass number would have to increase as xbox live gold users gets smaller. It has to follow the cause and effect rules.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes, that's why I said "most"
I don't think these numbers are correct:
- 30 million XBLG users would have pushed the subscription ratio well above PS+ subscription ratio. Doesn't look believable.
- xCloud 10m userbase isn't mutually exclusive to GPU.
- Also, 10m xCloud users is just cumulative figures for whoever tried it once. This data refers to MAU. Cannot be compared.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/238361/online-nation-2022-report.pdf
PSVR is the market leader for VR in the UK for Q4 21.
Regarding methodology;
This has to be false. Extremely unlikely that there's a VR headset outselling the Quest 2 in any western country.
nominedomine
Banned
We have recent official numbers for both PS+ and Gamepass globally, this info is useless and inaccurate.
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kingfey
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Xbox is almost an online console, while PS isn't. So tons of xbox users would have xbox live gold compared to ps+ relative to the console ratio.
30m is estimated guess. Plus
gamepass also increased relative to the new users who joined xbox this gen. So for every xseries that is has been sold so far, has some gamepass numbers attached to, due to the heavy advertisement.
Xcloud is only available for ultimate users. And so far only 10m users used the service.
Correct. All you need to do is launch an xcloud game once to be counted.
As for MAU would have been helpful if we had the numbers.
So far, we only have these snips to make an estimate guess numbers.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Game Pass eating good in the queen's land.
With numbers like this it makes all the sense that Sony is merging the failed PS Now brand into PS+
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kingfey
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They should have done this long time ago.
Instead of making different service, bundle the 2 together, and let people pick what tier they want.
This way, you get more exposure, and more users.
Gamepass numbers are big, because of the gamepass ultimate.
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah, survey of 2000 people.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is such an old musty reference lol.
kingfey
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Depending on how you slice it.
From actual data point, it's guesstimation. Since it's missing crucial data.
Makoto-Yuki
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that doesn't seem like a lot... isn't the UK meant to be a big market for Sony? lmfao 
would be taken as pure fact no doubt. some people just don't like to see xbox doing well.
what if it was the other way around?
would be taken as pure fact no doubt. some people just don't like to see xbox doing well.
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kingfey
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It isn't about xbox. MS doesn't share data like Xbox live gold, or gamepass breakdown. And because of that, the data isn't perfect, due to these key points.that doesn't seem like a lot... isn't the UK meant to be a big market for Sony? lmfao
what if it was the other way around?
would be taken as pure fact no doubt. some people just don't like to see xbox doing well.
In order for a data to have a factual point, it needs hard numbers, which can be used as back ups.
Pelta88
Member
that doesn't seem like a lot... isn't the UK meant to be a big market for Sony? lmfao
what if it was the other way around?
would be taken as pure fact no doubt. some people just don't like to see xbox doing well.
What the hell are you talking about. "XBox doing well?"
The numbers used to make the article are fake. As in made up estimations. Any debate founded by farcical info is a farce. But you're concerned about which platform looks best based on fake info? Truth be told, that's kinda sad.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
The numbers aren't fake. They're real.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm sorry, you can't call anything you don't like as fake lol.
Ampere numbers are routinely used by places like GI.Biz, whose reporting is taken as gospel on this forum.
The first half of the EG article is Ofcom surveys, the second half is there they're quoting the Ampere research numbers, which is where the PS+ and GP stats come from.
They're as real as NPD's reporting.
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