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[nnytk]

Im not talking about third party games im talking about ips sony has ownership on. Like hell divers 2. And any owned ips going forward.

Are people really so dumb as to not gripe about games sony own requiring the subscription yet you can go across the pond and it not be?

Rules for thee… right? Cmon now

Sony gets away with PS+ because it's baked into their ecosystem: console, storefront, and "TV culture." Most casual users see it like Netflix — you buy a console, you get the sub for online and free games. It's normalized.

Not saying I like it, but it's how they've framed it. PC gaming, on the other hand, is built around a different crowd — more tech-savvy, vocal, and used to things like modding, early access, and community-driven content. Steam's whole vibe is very different from Sony's walled garden.

If Sony pulled the same subscription model on PC, it'd backfire hard. They know it. And with Xbox offering release parity and day one exclusives with Game Pass on both console and PC, Sony can't afford to look anti-consumer in that space. A paid PS+ for PC games would be dead on arrival.

 

[Goalus]

first to start it, first to reverse it?

Leading the way, as always.

 

[Hudo]

Why is it that console user is required to have a ps+ subscription

Because people are willing to pay for it. Microsoft were the first to paywall online play. Sony followed suit.

 

[Vlodril]

Microsoft started it. Consumers rewarded them for it. Everyone else followed because they would be idiots to leave billions per year on the table. The end. Like Bethesda did with horse armor dlc. Blame the consumers. Not sure why you are specifically targeting Sony with your posts apart that you seem to have an axe to grind i guess.

 

[bitbydeath]

Why isn't this being discussed in broad and more frequent? Am i missing something or misinformed? Why is it that console user is required to have a ps+ subscription to play helldivers 2 (a sony ip) yet across the pond you can play on pc without needing a subscription? I'm assuming playstation thinks this is ok for whatever future live service projects make it to market going forward.

But my question is why are we letting them get away with this? Especially those of you who like live service and or actively playing HD2 on console.

Are we going to get shafted and let free online play turn into psn 2.0 again?? Its down right disrespectful to the core fanbase who CHOOSE to buy into console. If i am missing something let me know. Otherwise we should and need to be beating this drum loud and clear so as to nip this in the bud before more live service games release..

It all started with Xbox introducing it, then 360 popularised it. Meanwhile Sony was struggling due to PS3 being over subsidised, and their other areas such as TV's were also struggling. So, Sony introduced it with PS4 but sweetened the deal by creating PS+.

It hasn't been removed because it makes them a lot of money.

 

[Black_Stride]

Yeah some gamers. You weren't one of those who complained though. You're only doing it now in hindsight while still paying.

Yeah I know, you're ignoring the fact that you gleefully bought an xbox one in place of PS4 though and mained it, did you not:


You happily paid for XBLG during it until you started paying for the even more expensive tier Gamepass Ultimate midgen and never once raised a stink about the XBLG requirement throughout that time or the f2p block. You in fact defended it talking about the XBLG glory days, how you get discounts and the monthly games. You didn't even raise a stink when they tried doubling the price for XBLG. Your activity in that thread was mostly just defensive of MS.


To convert to GPU thereby paying for XBLG anyway for console access but never raised a stink about the online requirement on all the consoles you bought including your praise and purchase of Series S too.


Yes, you've mostly shifted to this persona I would say near around XBS launch. Owning a PC prior doesn't change this. Ive been a PC gamer since before geforce 1 too and own a 5090 now, doesn't change the fact that I don a PS5 and happily game on it too as well as PC. I'm just referring to the fact that you're pretending you're above paying when you happily paid and in a way continue to pay for XBLG for access on your consoles. You never raised a stink prior, on the contrary you praised it, that's what's relevant, not whether you owned a PC before or not.

This is a waste of my time.







Why did I shift to mostly playing on PC?
Because all Xbox exclusives started coming to PC
Because all PlayStation exclusives started coming to PC

Its not a persona, its the logical thing to do, ive got a pretty beefy PC and there are no exclusives on consoles anymore, crossplay is pretty much everywhere so my friendslist isnt tied to a single system anymore, why would I stick to console?
The market shifted and so did I.......

You calling it a persona is insulting......someone shifting their preferences based on shifts in the world isnt putting on a mask to hide their true colors, they are just adapting to the world around them I moved to mostly PC because I have no reason to be on console.
Im still planning on getting a Swtich 2 because it has compelling reasons for me to get it.....the Playstation 5 and Series X do not.

 

[hemo memo]

Becuase they can. That's the only answer.

 

[ArtHands]

Playstation players are more than happy to pay, so why stop them?

 

[Topher]

Sony saw the free money on the table and took it. Same with Xbox and Nintendo. No one ever talks about it, but they'll point out how GamePass PC is cheaper than console GamePass and throw shade at Xbox users.

lol....this is talked about all the time, particularly concerning cloud saves on PS

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Ultimately, nothing is free

You forgot the love, of Jesus?

 

[Toots]

No way I'm buying ps6.

Wait till you see GTA7 trailer

 

[Three]

This is a waste of my time.







Why did I shift to mostly playing on PC?
Because all Xbox exclusives started coming to PC
Because all PlayStation exclusives started coming to PC

Its not a persona, its the logical thing to do, ive got a pretty beefy PC and there are no exclusives on consoles anymore, crossplay is pretty much everywhere so my friendslist isnt tied to a single system anymore, why would I stick to console?
The market shifted and so did I.......

You calling it a persona is insulting......someone shifting their preferences based on shifts in the world isnt putting on a mask to hide their true colors, they are just adapting to the world around them I moved to mostly PC because I have no reason to be on console.
Im still planning on getting a Swtich 2 because it has compelling reasons for me to get it.....the Playstation 5 and Series X do not.

I'm calling out the bullshit because usually what you say is trying to be insulting to those who buy or pay for a certain thing but you're out there doing that exact thing anyway. I've seen you do this shtick more than once and have called you out on it before.

In this PSN thread:
"Who would pay for online? We complained, You're enabling this. They can get fucked. I'm PC"

Meanwhile you've been happily paying for and defending xbox live gold throughout xboxes existence and never really stopped. you're just now paying for the highest tier of it through ultimate.

When somebody mentions PS5 as a viable choice for gaming in another thread:
"Who would buy a PS5? It's needless. I'm PC"

Meanwhile you are out there buying the most downright redundant consoles you can get. You bought an xbox one and a Series S and skipped other less redundant consoles. I called you out on it in that thread too.

This better than thou "who would do this" attitude that you're showing is recent and did not really present itself before. You mained xbox (by your own admission till at least 2015) so there is no reason to be posting your 2011 PC build that you didn't main. you were still out there doing the things you seem to be judging people for. Even now, 2020 onwards, continuing to do those things whenever it comes to the xbox equivalent.

 

[rodrigolfp]

PC gaming:

 

[Roufianos]

I mean, their loss. I played a month of Helldivers but I'm not paying £60 a year just to pay for one game, may as well get a WoW subscription. For Sony's live service games, it's probably as much of a barrier as charging $40. Most of the biggest games, Fortnite etc, don't need a sub.

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm calling out the bullshit because usually what you say is trying to be insulting to those who buy or pay for a certain thing but you're out there doing that exact thing anyway. I've seen you do this shtick more than once and have called you out on it before.

In this PSN thread:
"Who would pay for online? We complained, You're enabling this. They can get fucked. I'm PC"

Meanwhile you've been happily paying for and defending xbox live gold throughout xboxes existence and never really stopped. you're just now paying for the highest tier of it through ultimate.

When somebody mentions PS5 as a viable choice for gaming in another thread:
"Who would buy a PS5? It's needless. I'm PC"

Meanwhile you are out there buying the most downright redundant consoles you can get. You bought an xbox one and a Series S and skipped other less redundant consoles. I called you out on it in that thread too.

This better than thou "who would do this" attitude that you're showing is recent and did not really present itself before. You mained xbox (by your own admission till at least 2015) so there is no reason to be posting your 2011 PC build that you didn't main. you were still out there doing the things you seem to be judging people for. Even now, 2020 onwards, continuing to do those things whenever it comes to the xbox equivalent.

Go ham bre!

I told you why I got a Series S.
Ive also told you why im on Gamepass.
Ive told you why I wouldnt buy a PS5
Ive told you why I wouldnt buy a XSX
Ive told you why I wouldnt pay for online play



What am I missing?
That I used to pay for online play?
It is known.

There is no gotcha here bre.

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

I pay for Essentials just for the free games I have in my backlog.

I get it on sale on Black Friday with cheap Shopto credit vouchers so it comes out at about £40 still.

Worth it in my opinion for the 200 free games.

 

[Three]

I told you why I got a Series S.
Ive also told you why im on Gampass

Ive told you why I wouldnt buy a XSX

but bought a series S, even worse. what's the difference?

Ive told you why I wouldnt pay for online play

Yet you pay for the highest tier and thus are happily mandatory paying for online play on your series s and other xbox consoles anyway.

There's nothing more to say when you're doing the things you think others shouldn't be. Even going as far as to claim that you complained and that they can get fucked yet you have never once complained about any of this prior to this thread. Not once. Practice what you preach, otherwise stop trying to insult others who have their own exact same reasons for doing the same.

 

[Sooner]

I heard Microsoft started to charge to play games on Xbox 360 with Xbox Live. Surely, this isn't true. Right??

 

[AMC124c41]

OP use a tad of common sense my man. All games require PS+ to use online features. Sony's own games circumventing that rule would mean an unfair advantage is gained and it would piss off all other publishers besides being obviously scummy.

 

[Ebrietas]

It was one of the many innovations MS brought to the gaming space. In the 360 era they showed that their loyal customers were not only willing to, but actually glad to pay for online. Sony and Nintendo naturally followed suit, because why not. At the very least, they didn't follow MS all the way by charging for F2P and MMO games.

Only way Sony will get rid of the PS+ requirement is if Steam eats away enough of their marketshare. Given Sony's continued boneheaded business decisions, this may happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Three]

this is becoming more and more an obvious issue imo.

on Xbox it's even worse, as they are all cross platform and are all free online on PC, while you gotta pay to play the usually objectively worse version on Xbox...

Microsoft definitely have to change that SOON, Sony I think can still afford doing it because there's still more of a distance between their PC and Console offerings

If MS were worried about differences between their PC and console service offerings they wouldn't have removed GP day one games from console while keeping it for PC. They don't care about preferential treatment.

They know that they have those console users locked in. They can push them to the higher tier and maybe remove XBLG/GP core but that isn't going to happen due to the majority of budget conscious users on Xbox and PS. I remember during 360 only about half of the console users even had XBLG. Those users are not going to pay $20 per month for access so they will maintain GP Core.

 

[kaizenkko]

Well, these companies subsidise a console that you can get for a lower price than usual, the only reason why they do that is because they want to get that money back somehow. Selling games, selling subscriptions, etc. It's part of the game, if you don't like it, just don't buy a console.

 

[Famipan]

Playstation online makes no sense. F2P online game = free online. Paid games = paid online subscription is necessary.
The difference in cost between F2P and paid live service games is huge.

 

[bender]

It all started with Xbox introducing it, then 360 popularised it. Meanwhile Sony was struggling due to PS3 being over subsidised, and their other areas such as TV's were also struggling. So, Sony introduced it with PS4 but sweetened the deal by creating PS+.

It hasn't been removed because it makes them a lot of money.

PS+ was created during the PS3 era. PS4 introduced PS+ as a requirement for online play.

 

[bitbydeath]

PS+ was created during the PS3 era. PS4 introduced PS+ as a requirement for online play.

True, I stand corrected.

 

[kevboard]

If MS were worried about differences between their PC and console service offerings they wouldn't have removed GP day one games from console while keeping it for PC. They don't care about preferential treatment.

Game Pass PC has less games than Game Pass console. it's hard to compare those.

They know that they have those console users locked in. They can push them to the higher tier and maybe remove XBLG/GP core but that isn't going to happen due to the majority of budget conscious users on Xbox and PS. I remember during 360 only about half of the console users even had XBLG. Those users are not going to pay $20 per month for access so they will maintain GP Core.

this will change real fast real soon tho.
because right now, it's just that they're very CLOSE to being the same... same servers, same games, same services... but technically different platforms still...

buuuuut, it's very clear that Microsoft is going in the direction of fusing both platforms into one. Xbox and PC are slowly merging.
the day the main Xbox system is a box that runs modified but fully capable Windows, is the day they will not be able to charge for online play anymore.

so I expect them to do another restructuring of Game Pass tiers soon. with Core being completely removed or made cheaper because it will no longer be needed to play online.

 

[SScorpio]

I pay for Essentials just for the free games I have in my backlog.

I get it on sale on Black Friday with cheap Shopto credit vouchers so it comes out at about £40 still.

Worth it in my opinion for the 200 free games.

You're lucky, the US hasn't seen a sale on codes in several years and Essentials is $80 now. I used to keep it active for the backlogged games and cloud saves as I was able to get it for $35-40/year. But now? F them.

 

[Three]

Game Pass PC has less games than Game Pass console. it's hard to compare those.

This may have been true for the legacy library but simply isn't anymore.

Just looking at the June list alone look at how many games are excluded from gamepass standard on console but many of them come to PC GP

• Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - Master Crafted Edition ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• The Alters ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• FBC: Firebreak ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Lost in Random: The Elternal Die (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Rematch (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Volcano Princess (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Against the Storm (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft I: Remastered (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft II: Remastered (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft III: Reforged (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)

 

[kevboard]

This may have been true for the legacy library but simply isn't anymore.

Just looking at the June list alone look at how many games are excluded from gamepass standard on console but many of them come to PC GP

• Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - Master Crafted Edition ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• The Alters ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• FBC: Firebreak ( excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Lost in Random: The Elternal Die (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Rematch (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Volcano Princess (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Against the Storm (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft I: Remastered (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft II: Remastered (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)
• Warcraft III: Reforged (PC) (excluded from Game Pass Standard)

if I sort the game pass library on the website it shows 496 games in game pass console, and 454 in game pass PC.

so it is clearly less on PC overall. but yes, they are slowly getting closer. but as I said... eventually they will have to basically be combined into the same thing if Microsoft truly wants to follow that PC and Xbox merging strategy

 

[Three]

if I sort the game pass library on the website it shows 496 games in game pass console, and 454 in game pass PC.

so it is clearly less on PC overall. but yes, they are slowly getting closer. but as I said... eventually they will have to basically be combined into the same thing if Microsoft truly wants to follow that PC and Xbox merging strategy

Yeah but these are mostly legacy games from xboxOG and 360 BC. There are over 55+ of those (a lot of them with duplicate remasters on PC anyway) and the PC games are slowly out numbering them month after month as xbox is missing out on a lot of the new recent additions to the service. I was referring to xbox gamepass standard vs PC anyway and how console standard misses out on day one to push them to ultimate and PC. If you sort by that you'll see that even with the BC titles xbox standard only has 340 vs 455 on PC gamepass. The services are comparable and PC is getting preferential treatment with all the new releases. it's just that PC doesn't have BC with old OG/360 titles to pad out the numbers.

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

You're lucky, the US hasn't seen a sale on codes in several years and Essentials is $80 now. I used to keep it active for the backlogged games and cloud saves as I was able to get it for $35-40/year. But now? F them.

Yeah it's the only reason I still get it is because of code sales and black Friday deals.

Wont do it if I don't get that.

 

[Sintoid]

Funny thing

I stopped my Plus four years ago, I told myself:"I'll buy online games only on PC!!!"
I still haven't bought a single online game on PC lol

I'm afraid I'm not that kind of online gamer

 

[kyoji]

Oof. Yall be safe out there

 

[yurinka]

Why isn't this being discussed in broad and more frequent? Am i missing something or misinformed? Why is it that console user is required to have a ps+ subscription to play helldivers 2 (a sony ip) yet across the pond you can play on pc without needing a subscription?

Xbox, Nintendo and Sony require a subscription because the online infrastructure, platform online security, user moderation, part of the game servers etc. are stored in the platform side and are paid with that. And well, the console game subs also include other things, like more imporantly games, but also extra discounts, cloud saves and occasionally some exclusive beta.

In PC part of that doesn't exist in a platform level, and it's the dev/publisher who has to implement it/pay it on their side. And the other part included in the platform side is paid with the 30% from the games and addons sold.

And well, it's also due to competition: in consoles there's a single store so it's the only option that the player has. While in PC there are multiple stores/platforms and all of them are free.

P.S.: Online sub isn't required in PlayStation for F2P games.