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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"
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Do we know if we'll be able to trade between Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver's Virtual Console release? I've been looking into breeding Starter Pokémon with egg moves like Ancient Power + Leech Seed Chikorita, Reversal Cyndaquil (since Submission isn't an option in G/S), etc. and wanted to know if that is an option/if someone could trade over a Pokémon from Red/Blue/Yellow that knows the desired move to cut down on the time it would take to breed it.
SpScarecrow0
Member
I just remembered that B2W2 let you ride a plane that just took you to another part of Unova that is regularly accessible later on, no new area or anything. Kalos was the biggest disappointment with the train just taking you to that small area with the Battle Maison. I miss areas like the Sevii Islands that had some exploration or even the island in Diamond and Pearl. Not asking for a 2nd region but just maybe a 5th island apart from Alola for post game.
They haven't said anything about that, but I assume it'll work just like the old games.
Has anyone tried swap breeding in SM? I'd like to try it since I not only want shinies but I want to beat the game with shinies I hatched in this particular game. I just got back into playing Pokémon hardcore again after like a six month hiatus.
Prior to my hiatus I hatched a shiny Popplio and Litten. Recently I hatched a shiny Rowlet. Since I have all the old games and use the older games for my production line (thanks Pokebank), breeding is actually even easierfor me.
I'm also in the process of breeding 5IV/6IV Pokemon for my cartridge playthroughs of SM (Sun is going to be a team of Dragons, Moon will be starters from various games and three others). This makes the campaign less of a slog for me and I'm able to level up these Pokémon naturally in a playthrough and later I'd have them available to use for player battles. Of course I'll need to retrain them for better EVs, but that's a different topic entirely. Unlike the primary game, these don't have to be shiny, but they could be since I don't know what my TSV in those two games are yet.
Anyway to the earlier part of this, I wanted to beat the game on my first playthrough with a team of shinies. I was trying for shiny Growlithe and shiny Mudbray, both of which have Egg moves while I considered shiny Jangmo. Unlike the starters, I'd evolve these, and those are just meant for single gameplay so I don't care for IVs. But I got annoyed with the eggs on those. So I just decided to make the other three Pokemon that I already have perfect parents of (I'm assuming this in tandem with the swap breeding method will be even more effective).
I decided to drop most of my original launch team in favor of this (OGs: Incineroar/starter, Deducideye/bred, Slowbro/caught, Kommo-o/bred, Popplio*/bred). I'm still at Lunala actually because I was originally SR for better IVs, but since my hiatus, they figured out RNG so that's something I'll also be looking into.
I really like breeding and collecting, that's why I have so many games. I also like battling as well! I'm currently in the process of doing a Gen 7 living pokedex since I don't want to move up my Gen 6 living pokedex.
Prior to my hiatus I hatched a shiny Popplio and Litten. Recently I hatched a shiny Rowlet. Since I have all the old games and use the older games for my production line (thanks Pokebank), breeding is actually even easierfor me.
I'm also in the process of breeding 5IV/6IV Pokemon for my cartridge playthroughs of SM (Sun is going to be a team of Dragons, Moon will be starters from various games and three others). This makes the campaign less of a slog for me and I'm able to level up these Pokémon naturally in a playthrough and later I'd have them available to use for player battles. Of course I'll need to retrain them for better EVs, but that's a different topic entirely. Unlike the primary game, these don't have to be shiny, but they could be since I don't know what my TSV in those two games are yet.
Anyway to the earlier part of this, I wanted to beat the game on my first playthrough with a team of shinies. I was trying for shiny Growlithe and shiny Mudbray, both of which have Egg moves while I considered shiny Jangmo. Unlike the starters, I'd evolve these, and those are just meant for single gameplay so I don't care for IVs. But I got annoyed with the eggs on those. So I just decided to make the other three Pokemon that I already have perfect parents of (I'm assuming this in tandem with the swap breeding method will be even more effective).
I decided to drop most of my original launch team in favor of this (OGs: Incineroar/starter, Deducideye/bred, Slowbro/caught, Kommo-o/bred, Popplio*/bred). I'm still at Lunala actually because I was originally SR for better IVs, but since my hiatus, they figured out RNG so that's something I'll also be looking into.
I really like breeding and collecting, that's why I have so many games. I also like battling as well! I'm currently in the process of doing a Gen 7 living pokedex since I don't want to move up my Gen 6 living pokedex.
I am still on the fence on whether to get Gold and Silver on virtual console as yeah not having to replace the battery would be sweet but I would have to get another 3DS just to trade between them and the lack of Crystal version is annoying as there is no reason for the west to skip on that, plus I would lose access to using Pokémon Stadium which I use to store items that are hard to obtain or not obtainable till late game like the Leftover.
Plus now that the series is heading towards the Switch I am wary of buying new digital games on the 3DS as I have no idea if they will be carried over to the Switch.
Plus now that the series is heading towards the Switch I am wary of buying new digital games on the 3DS as I have no idea if they will be carried over to the Switch.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Looks like CoroCoro is going to be shit judging by the cover.
Now it's getting ridiculous...
Now it's getting ridiculous...
We're getting a direct on Wednesday, so perhaps we will get some info there.
Not75Drops
Member
TPC barely gives Nintendo any worthwhile content for directs unless they have their own, but with us barely knowing anything and being around 2 months out from launch, I think we will get something substantial here.
SomePerson
Member
It's kinda obnoxious how a huge portion of the gaming community seems to be trying to get Gamefreak to rush the next set of Pokemon games out onto the Switch while also expecting them to reinvent Pokemon like BOTW or make it more like a console sized RPG. I honestly can't see how they're going to get it out next year when at best they will have only had two-ish years to create a whole new generation for a console they've never developed for, even if they stick to the standard handheld Pokemon experience. This isn't even taking into account that the Pokemon Company was expecting the Switch to fail up until very recently. Hell, we don't even know how much of their development time has gone into USUM compared to what's coming next, even if it's only their B team working on USUM. I strongly suspect that the Switch Pokemon games are going to get delayed or they're going to be rushed out and who knows how the quality will suffer.
I do wonder if they would pull something they've never done before and have the Diamond and Pearl remakes be their first Switch games. There would be grounded expectations for what the DP remakes would do rather than it being a new gen with everybody frothing at the mouth for Gamefreak to completely upend the way Pokemon games play, and DP remakes would be a good starting point for them to learn how to develop for the Switch.
I do wonder if they would pull something they've never done before and have the Diamond and Pearl remakes be their first Switch games. There would be grounded expectations for what the DP remakes would do rather than it being a new gen with everybody frothing at the mouth for Gamefreak to completely upend the way Pokemon games play, and DP remakes would be a good starting point for them to learn how to develop for the Switch.
The next game is gonna resemble a Pokemon game, it's going to play like a Pokemon game and it's gonna look like one and the thread when it's revealed is gonna be like 80 pages long of people driveby shitting on it. It's destiny.
Anyway the lack of any US/UM news is starting to get even me shook. I guess I shouldn't complain when I was one of the people who hated how much of S/M they revealed before release but at the same time it would be nice to have some semblance of what we're in for.
Anyway the lack of any US/UM news is starting to get even me shook. I guess I shouldn't complain when I was one of the people who hated how much of S/M they revealed before release but at the same time it would be nice to have some semblance of what we're in for.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I can't give proper advice but can say... Welcome to my world, my dilemma. I hate and at the same time love that the 3DS is getting so much support even after the Switch is out and we don't know if anything we've been buying will carry over or not. Then there's the fact that the Switch and 3DS both have titles that I would love to purchase but I'm not exactly rolling in the green.
I just bought Monster Hunter Stories (which I highly recommend to any Pokémon fan to at the very least look at some YouTube clips on) so that rules out me getting Gold or Silver. The battle system appears to be so much more then the rock, papers, siscors that's shown in the demo.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
This is nerdy, but does anyone on here like to make their own FakeDexes?
As part of my pledge to be sober for a month after some drunk incidents, I've been working on one I started last year as a fun distraction. I really get into it designing Dex entries, thinking about how the Pokemon I create can be organically put into the pre-existing Pokemon World, and though I'm not a hardcore competitive player thinking of some unique mechanics. I even like to think how they'd be interpreted by the anime/Special.
I wish I could draw though, it's just all text really. Like I don't have the time or experience to start a huge Clover/Sage fan-project (that gets taken down), but I'd love to get a blog up one day for entertainment and to express my creativity---uh, by making fictional creatures for a multi-billion franchise.
Thinking back on it, and though it's been---almost seven years since the last one?---the "Third Versions" have never exactly let me down. Emerald and Platinum are easily my top two games.
Black 2 and White 2 were good, and they had a lot of new content, but I think advertising them as "sequels" kind of...let me down? I didn't play them as much since that was around the time the 3DS was on the scene so I was playing those games, but I feel I went into them expecting more. Beyond a twist on the opening after Roxie it basically became a retread of BW for the middle-half and the plot didn't even try and capitalize on the groundwork BW laid in my opinion.
I feel like had I played B2W2 FIRST without playing BW they easily would have been top-tier, but going into them as what was advertised as the first true sequel "3rd Version" maybe soured me a bit?
I feel USUM is going to have the same issue. They played up the ULTRA! card, which I think has led people to expecting so much, much more instead of if they simply pushed it as an upgrade. So instead of expecting QOL upgrades like Emerald and Platinum delivered and a few fixes to make the experience more fun with nice little extras, I think everyone wanted to see big changes and so far we haven't had any delivered.
As part of my pledge to be sober for a month after some drunk incidents, I've been working on one I started last year as a fun distraction. I really get into it designing Dex entries, thinking about how the Pokemon I create can be organically put into the pre-existing Pokemon World, and though I'm not a hardcore competitive player thinking of some unique mechanics. I even like to think how they'd be interpreted by the anime/Special.
I wish I could draw though, it's just all text really. Like I don't have the time or experience to start a huge Clover/Sage fan-project (that gets taken down), but I'd love to get a blog up one day for entertainment and to express my creativity---uh, by making fictional creatures for a multi-billion franchise.
Thinking back on it, and though it's been---almost seven years since the last one?---the "Third Versions" have never exactly let me down. Emerald and Platinum are easily my top two games.
Black 2 and White 2 were good, and they had a lot of new content, but I think advertising them as "sequels" kind of...let me down? I didn't play them as much since that was around the time the 3DS was on the scene so I was playing those games, but I feel I went into them expecting more. Beyond a twist on the opening after Roxie it basically became a retread of BW for the middle-half and the plot didn't even try and capitalize on the groundwork BW laid in my opinion.
I feel like had I played B2W2 FIRST without playing BW they easily would have been top-tier, but going into them as what was advertised as the first true sequel "3rd Version" maybe soured me a bit?
I feel USUM is going to have the same issue. They played up the ULTRA! card, which I think has led people to expecting so much, much more instead of if they simply pushed it as an upgrade. So instead of expecting QOL upgrades like Emerald and Platinum delivered and a few fixes to make the experience more fun with nice little extras, I think everyone wanted to see big changes and so far we haven't had any delivered.
I think it's because they didn't really follow up the story very well and kinda took a step back from following it through when for the sequel they should've doubled down on it. Like maybe make one of the middle gym leaders retired as well, so when you reach Opelucid City you're only about halfway and after meeting Drayden, not even battling him, the city falls under attack and from then on the game is more about fighting Plasma where they show up and tracking them back down and the rest of the Pokemon League becomes Post-Game stuff. Also, maybe changing Hugh's character arc...
by giving him one?
Honestly from general fan reaction, I don't think too many people are expecting much from USUM right now.
I think, no matter what US/UM is, it's gonna let down people anyway. The narrative has been set for it since its reveal and people are already ready to ignore it in favor of Pokemon Switch. I haven't been to Pokemon-centric communities in forever so I dunno how it is there but there's no way US/UM is gonna go over well here no matter what it is lol. Unless they include Kanto.
BW2 was good but I'm also one of the (few?) people who liked it less than BW1. The presentation has a lot of really cool moments though, like the gym interiors and stuff were great. It just felt kind of... aimless at times? Also no Hilbert/Hilda final boss battle with your team copied from BW1's link feature was a gigantic missed opportunity. I've been meaning to do a replay of it sometime to solidify my thoughts on it. I still think BW1 and 2 together was the apex of the series for me, I've been chasing that high ever since. (I did enjoy S/M though)
SomePerson
Member
Now that I think of it, Black 2 and White 2 didn't get nearly as much hate when they were announced compared to what Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are getting, right? Sure, there were some people getting mad that we were getting another pair of DS games instead of the next gen on the 3DS, but I really don't remember entire threads filled with people saying they're not interested because it's not Pokemon Switch. Is it because the Switch is such a breakaway hit? The total lack of updates from Gamefreak really doesn't help either, I guess. There seems to be no hype for USUM, which really sucks. I am looking forward to it though. Third versions are almost always good, and while I feel like X and Y could have used a third version more than Sun and Moon, there's plenty of things in Sun and Moon to expand upon and improve.
I will never stop being salty over how Zygarde was treated though. Z Version lives on in my heart.
I will never stop being salty over how Zygarde was treated though. Z Version lives on in my heart.
BW2 didn't have a year long rumor saying it was gonna be on 3DS before its reveal. When S/M dropped people had been all "leaking" that the next game, codenamed Stars was gonna be on Switch. So the US/UM reveal was immediately met with huge backlash from that alone.
SomePerson
Member
Oh yeah, the Stars thing. I forgot about that. People getting hyped over something that was never confirmed to begin with. It really sucks that USUM are suffering from this level of backlash for not being what was rumored.
I think it's an even tie between BW and B2W2 in terms of which one is 'best' but I definitely agree, Gen V had the sprite-era of the Pokemon franchise go out with a bang. Honestly, it's a real shame they didn't decide to use this Gen to start with their simul-releases because then the existence of plot within the games would've been a real surprise.
Its interesting to think about the whole stars debacle. I think the way GF or TPC playtests games or something throws people off. Maybe they had some version of SuMo running on Switch because they were working on the framework for Gen 8, and someone mistook it to mean that project stars was SuMo port for Switch.
SomePerson
Member
Looks like Silvally is getting a shiny event, which I'm kinda glad for because I've been SRing Type: Null on and off since the game came out and haven't had any luck with getting a shiny.
This does make me wonder if Type: Null not being shiny locked was a fluke given that we have all these shiny locked legendaries and ultra beasts and yet they're giving a shiny event to the one that can be obtained in-game.
Speaking of which, shiny locking is such a shitty thing. I doubt we're going to get a shiny event for the rest of the Tapus, we may get a shiny event for the box legendaries after USUM have run their course and the TCG does something with them like what happened with Yveltal and Xernas, and the ultra beasts are shit out of luck unless they magically aren't shiny locked in USUM, which is very unlikely.
This does make me wonder if Type: Null not being shiny locked was a fluke given that we have all these shiny locked legendaries and ultra beasts and yet they're giving a shiny event to the one that can be obtained in-game.
Speaking of which, shiny locking is such a shitty thing. I doubt we're going to get a shiny event for the rest of the Tapus, we may get a shiny event for the box legendaries after USUM have run their course and the TCG does something with them like what happened with Yveltal and Xernas, and the ultra beasts are shit out of luck unless they magically aren't shiny locked in USUM, which is very unlikely.
This is one reason, but there's several other contributing factors imo.
As Busaiku said - B2W2 were playable on the 3DS. That softened the blow of having new games releasing on the old system. This time around, however, you have people who have literally just bought this shiny new expensive system, and then they see major games still being released for the seven year old hardware. They want to feel justified in their purchase and so it pisses them off. If US/UM was able to be played on the Switch, there would be much less backlash.
I also think the Switch being a pretty substantial step up over the 3DS plays into it as well. This is probably the main reason tbh. I think there would be some level of backlash even if there never had been the Eurogamer/MCV Pokemon Stars rumors. Lots of people just don't want to be playing a 3DS game in 240p in 2017. Hell, it wasn't great even in 2011. Those tiny little screens are well past their used-by date, and after Samus Returns my 3DS is probably going into the drawer for good.
Oh, and then there's the complete lack of reason to be excited about USUM when we're like 2 months from release. We have some terrible new Solgaleo/Lunala armor designs, a lazy Lycanroc recolor and what looks to be a fairly lightly changed alternate story. Considering the marketing for last few games showed off pretty much everything pre-release, their relative silence until now has made people think they don't have much to show. Hopefully the Direct proves otherwise.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Who was the progenator for Stars anyway? And how come that place hasn't gotten any backlash?
As time passes, I just appreciate BW2 more and more. Much more than my favourite HGSS and Platinum, games which I'm more nostalgic for.
It just blows my mind how much attention Game Freak gave to the Gen 5 in general with regards to the small details. Seasons, the regional gimmick, which actually did a lot to make different routes unique and altered the music and aesthetic as well. There was interactive music, where instruments were added on as you marched down a route. Unique music for each gym, which also had interactive music. Interactive music in towns/cities based on your interactions with NPCs. Pokémon World Tournament, with so many well done remixes whereas nowadays they just pull music straight from the old games. The addition of music in general to the newer BW2 with Go Ichinose finally making a huge contribution, and the level of music in general was so much better with regards to the instrumentation, and that's something you just didn't get with other third versions.
And in general I don't think the presentation has been better than what we had in BW2. Elesa's Gym is still one of the coolest things to me in any of the games. The Marine Tube to me demonstrates the use of 3D environments and scale better than the 3DS games with the Water Pokémon just floating around. I even find the opening here more endearing than the 3DS games, with the petal/snowflake/whatever dropping right by your house with soft piano music, which is then hearkened back to only in the credits theme as a footnote.
And there's also the big selection of areas that were added to BW2.
It just felt like Game Freak packed the game dense full of really high quality stuff. There's more here than the third version of the other games, and they built on an amazing foundation already with BW. This was the direction I thought Game Freak was headed with the 3DS games and they really haven't lived up. That's why I'm still holding out hope for USUM since the closest thing they can currently be compared to is BW2.
If you noticed, with both Gen 6 and so far Gen 7, Game Freak seems to be leading toward the various multiplayer metas around the game rather than the single player experience.
They gave us relaxed breeding requirements to get our flawless competitive Pokémon to just letting us get flawless competitive pokemon be they regular, legendary or even mythical with Hyper Training.
Also the entire trading and battling concept has been expanded due to the greater network features. Pokémon was always meant to be played with others and that goes back to its days with the Gameboy. And I know many vocal players (sorry but usually just Genwunners who just complain and didn't play anything else) don't like it, but if Pokemon was designed for the single player experience, it would have been a SNES game rather than a Gameboy instead.
They gave us relaxed breeding requirements to get our flawless competitive Pokémon to just letting us get flawless competitive pokemon be they regular, legendary or even mythical with Hyper Training.
Also the entire trading and battling concept has been expanded due to the greater network features. Pokémon was always meant to be played with others and that goes back to its days with the Gameboy. And I know many vocal players (sorry but usually just Genwunners who just complain and didn't play anything else) don't like it, but if Pokemon was designed for the single player experience, it would have been a SNES game rather than a Gameboy instead.
Well that isn't true at all
Yep. Pokémon Stars rumour has done some serious damage. Hell, I believe that's why they revealed Pokémon Switch at E3, to ease that. Like why they did Metroid Prime 4 so there wouldn't be a backlash for Samus Returns.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
not enough with all the stars stupidity people have
I think people are still holding it out even
Not75Drops
Member
Looks like Corocoro starting to leak
Exterminieren
Banned
Looking distinctly underwhelming so far.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
What!? Omg hype nobody would have guessed this.
#Worthit
Serpens007
Member
It really is. Even CoroCoro leaks are starving for news
From the leak of CoroCoro, I am a little bit disappointed by Necrozma fusion form as they feel a bit lazy and uncreative compare to Kyurem Black/White form.
But still keeping an open mind as we still don't know much about it.
I am bit confused to what you mean by the middle half being a retreat of Black and White because I never felt that at all and I feel that Black and White 2 did a good job in following up Black and White story and acted as a complete ending to the story.
The only two negative that I could give it is that we never get to find out what Kyurem true form in and that we don't get the fight the original trainer from Black and White.
Good, that will teach them a lesson in spreading nonsense rumour and anyone expecting Game Freak to split the fan base across two consoles where just fooling themselves as Game Freak were not going to do that.
I don't mind Game Freak taking the time to focus on the meta game, just as long it does affect the single player experience as that's what I play the series for as I have no interest for the meta game, but they did a great job in gen 7 as I felt that the main story was decent, if a little liner and a tad bit story heavy.
It was X and Y where I got frustrated and disappointed by that as the main story was just a disappointment and I expected it more from Game Freak.
But still keeping an open mind as we still don't know much about it.
I am bit confused to what you mean by the middle half being a retreat of Black and White because I never felt that at all and I feel that Black and White 2 did a good job in following up Black and White story and acted as a complete ending to the story.
The only two negative that I could give it is that we never get to find out what Kyurem true form in and that we don't get the fight the original trainer from Black and White.
Good, that will teach them a lesson in spreading nonsense rumour and anyone expecting Game Freak to split the fan base across two consoles where just fooling themselves as Game Freak were not going to do that.
I don't mind Game Freak taking the time to focus on the meta game, just as long it does affect the single player experience as that's what I play the series for as I have no interest for the meta game, but they did a great job in gen 7 as I felt that the main story was decent, if a little liner and a tad bit story heavy.
It was X and Y where I got frustrated and disappointed by that as the main story was just a disappointment and I expected it more from Game Freak.
Not75Drops
Member
I've talked about the similarities between US/UM and BW2 before in terms of the time between their reveal and release dates, and their lack of information at the beginning. I put together this comparison to see what we knew about both games at this point in time. I think this is pretty much correct. It may end up looking different after the direct though.
BW2 (Reveal up to May 2012 Corocoro):
-Takes place in Unova 2 years after Black/White
-New Protagonists
-Hugh revealed as rival
-Box mascots are Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, confirmed to be Dragon/Ice with exclusive moves
-Unova Dex has 300 Pokemon (with several of them confirmed)
-Aspertia City confirmed as starting location with details of city
-Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon confirmed as gym leaders
-Colress revealed
-Therian forms for Landorus/Thundurus/Tornadus revealed
-Alder, Bianca, and Brycen confirmed to return
-N is confirmed to be missing
-New map
-Pokestar Studios - New feature that lets you make mini-movies
-Pokemon World Tournament - Facility that lets you battle trainers from past games
US/UM (Reveal up to September 2017 Corocoro):
-Set in Alola but in a different world with a new story
-Will feature Pokemon that weren't in Sun/Moon
-Protagonists
-Necrozma can fuse with Solgaleo and Necrozma and learn their signature moves
-Lycanroc has a new form which can only be accessed via an event
-Cap Pikachu (I Choose You) is exclusive to US/UM
-New Z-Moves will be in the game eg. Kommo-o
-New map
-Kahili and Ryuki confirmed to appear
-Alola Photo Club - New feature that lets you take photos of you and your Pokemon
BW2 (Reveal up to May 2012 Corocoro):
-Takes place in Unova 2 years after Black/White
-New Protagonists
-Hugh revealed as rival
-Box mascots are Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, confirmed to be Dragon/Ice with exclusive moves
-Unova Dex has 300 Pokemon (with several of them confirmed)
-Aspertia City confirmed as starting location with details of city
-Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon confirmed as gym leaders
-Colress revealed
-Therian forms for Landorus/Thundurus/Tornadus revealed
-Alder, Bianca, and Brycen confirmed to return
-N is confirmed to be missing
-New map
-Pokestar Studios - New feature that lets you make mini-movies
-Pokemon World Tournament - Facility that lets you battle trainers from past games
US/UM (Reveal up to September 2017 Corocoro):
-Set in Alola but in a different world with a new story
-Will feature Pokemon that weren't in Sun/Moon
-Protagonists
-Necrozma can fuse with Solgaleo and Necrozma and learn their signature moves
-Lycanroc has a new form which can only be accessed via an event
-Cap Pikachu (I Choose You) is exclusive to US/UM
-New Z-Moves will be in the game eg. Kommo-o
-New map
-Kahili and Ryuki confirmed to appear
-Alola Photo Club - New feature that lets you take photos of you and your Pokemon
Not75Drops
Member
Was that confirmed? Looking at it, you may be right but the clothes/hairstyles threw me off. I'll just change it to protagonists
It wasn't, but a lot of people are assuming that since they look pretty similar. Given how bland the character designs for the MCs have been lately though, who can really say?
Exterminieren
Banned
It'd be nice if they showed any of it at some point.
Shadow Broker
Banned
PokeGaf, Casual Poke Gaf, and Poke fans are something else. When Game Freak was showing and revealing info on Sun/Moon the threads and topics were filled with endless too much info and I want to be surprised when I first play the games and blah post like these posters were obligated to click on the thread to read everything whether officially released or released otherwise then proceed to complain about too much info being released or out in the wild.
Now... In any Pokémon thread on gaming side and in this thread it's "welp, guess they have nothing new to show or else they would have shown it already sentiment." Or "where's the leaks/rumors/info? What's Game Freak doing? Do they even know what they're doing?"
It's like dealing with my 4 year old child when we go to the store and she's asking for everything. I don't say it exactly like this to her..
"What exactly do you want? You can't have it both ways. When you choose don't complain because you're missing out on having it the other way."
They way I wrote this post may come off like I'm just talking about Gaf but I'm not. Sometimes I feel like I'm surrounded by 4 year old Pokémon fans and the most mature person of the group is my actual 4 year old kid.
As for me like I've said in the past, show me everything except the story. New forms, new Megas, base stats, EVERYTHING but the story. I'm weird like that. I don't care how obvious the story is or cookie cutter it is I do not like having a story of any game spoiled for me so I ACTIVELY AVOID all threads and topics on the story on Gaf and everywhere else until I beat the games.
Sorry for the rant. I just ran into a acquaintance and he was one of those too much info complainers during the lead up of Sun/Moon release and now he's in the opposite camp. I didn't enjoy that conversation.
Now... In any Pokémon thread on gaming side and in this thread it's "welp, guess they have nothing new to show or else they would have shown it already sentiment." Or "where's the leaks/rumors/info? What's Game Freak doing? Do they even know what they're doing?"
It's like dealing with my 4 year old child when we go to the store and she's asking for everything. I don't say it exactly like this to her..
"What exactly do you want? You can't have it both ways. When you choose don't complain because you're missing out on having it the other way."
They way I wrote this post may come off like I'm just talking about Gaf but I'm not. Sometimes I feel like I'm surrounded by 4 year old Pokémon fans and the most mature person of the group is my actual 4 year old kid.
As for me like I've said in the past, show me everything except the story. New forms, new Megas, base stats, EVERYTHING but the story. I'm weird like that. I don't care how obvious the story is or cookie cutter it is I do not like having a story of any game spoiled for me so I ACTIVELY AVOID all threads and topics on the story on Gaf and everywhere else until I beat the games.
Sorry for the rant. I just ran into a acquaintance and he was one of those too much info complainers during the lead up of Sun/Moon release and now he's in the opposite camp. I didn't enjoy that conversation.
Exterminieren
Banned
There is a middle ground between revealing almost everything about a game and revealing almost nothing, you realise?
I don't think they're keeping the info close to their chest because they're looking to blow us away with piles of secrets. I think they're being quiet because there simply isn't much to say, and these games are exactly what they've looked like ever since they were revealed- new versions of Sun and Moon with lightly tweaked content, rushed out to wring the last few pennies out of the 3DS while they can.
I don't think they're keeping the info close to their chest because they're looking to blow us away with piles of secrets. I think they're being quiet because there simply isn't much to say, and these games are exactly what they've looked like ever since they were revealed- new versions of Sun and Moon with lightly tweaked content, rushed out to wring the last few pennies out of the 3DS while they can.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I've been dealing/reading/replying/talking with the extremes on each side. I'm talking about the extremes on each side and how they change their views to the other side when the situation calls for it. No matter what is released big or small they complain.
I said I'm on the side of show me everything except the story but I also don't care if they show anything before launch because I know I'm going to get a copy regardless.
It's just boggles my mind how a good conversation can turn to shit because of these people.
Not75Drops
Member
Exactly, I'm not down on US/UM like a lot of people but as I posted earlier, we knew more about BW2 at this point, back during a time where the releases weren't worldwide and the marketing was much worse. When you market your product and people complain that you're showing too much (I personally didn't mind this), you don't go in the complete opposite direction. You find a good middle ground and don't overdo it, so people are still excited for your game.
I may be imagining this, but didn't Masuda say that the reason they revealed so much for S/M was because of people's tendency to become disinterested in something if the period between reveals is too big? Kind of makes this whole situation a bit funny.
But yeah, the fanbase going over the top is nothing new.