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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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BotoxAgent
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Yeah, they downplaying the effects now. But once shit hits the fan, they will put the blame soley on Obama. That's the plan. They'll just say whatever is politically expedient at the time. They have total disregard for reality.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Evlar said:
Can't wait for Bachmann to pull that one out in the primaries.
Also, note that Perry hasn't said anything substantial about the debt ceiling at all. He's being smart about it and may declare for president AFTER the deal is made.
MrGame&Watch
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BotoxAgent said:
The reality is the American people are stupid, short-sighted, and will blame whoever is in office at the time of their woes regardless of fault. So the Republican are living in reality. Their main objective is to make Obama a 1-term president, McConnell says it himself.
planar1280
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besada said:
have you ever seen a US voter?
Shake Appeal
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I go back and forth on just how terrible austerity measures are, but yeah, it's kinda bonkers that the kind of 'balanced' agreement the White House would go down on its knees for would still be further to the right than the kind of policies even centre-right European parties have dared to foist on their electorates during this recession.empty vessel said:
America is listing so hard to the right it can't even recognize the middle, let alone what a left wing solution would look like.
planar1280
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Pctx said:
Blue Screen of Death
TacticalFox88
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Well....you're not supposed to say that out LOUD.zero_suit said:
Dude Abides
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Look at all the liberal elites sneering at the salt of the earth. Pathetic.
/eznark.
/eznark.
fastford58
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slit said:
I'll believe it when i see it. Stocks slide around like this frequently. I wouldn't call it a plunge yet.
Don't read too much into that. We also had a lot of crappy economic data today, which would have pushed stocks down a lot on a good day.slit said:
The debt ceiling fiasco is not helping, and I do think it's affecting the market (and a lot more than just the stock market). But there's a tendancy to look to the stock market and correlate it to specific events when it's often responding to a mix of data.
mckmas8808
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fastford58 said:
Dude it's down 3% in 3 days. It's headed for the worse week in one full year and the worse has yet to come. It's terrible already.
I don't like where this is going. :/
ClovingWestbrook
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Clevinger said:
lol. Yea, totally the same.
polyh3dron
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Oh don't worry, he'll be given a stern talking to and will be back on the crazy train soon enough.planar1280 said:
Because I can't be bothered to address the mess that is the debt ceiling, instead I'll tell you all about my trip to the proctologist this morning.
For some reason, the nurse thought I wanted to discuss politics, rather than have my backside investigated for cancer. And she began to discuss the PPACA. Suffice to say, it was immediately clear the only thing she knew about it was what she'd heard from a slightly smarter friend, who only knew a handful of faux facts from Fox. In particular, she was enraged that it allowed the IRS to look at all your medical records. Of course, it doesn't actually do that, but it didn't seem like a great time to get into a political argument, considering shortly someone was going to have their hands up my ass.
I bit my tongue and kept my mouth shut. And then she said, "I can't believe they haven't taken him out yet."
I said, "taken out? who?" (because I don't use punctuation while speaking.)
She said, "You know. But I guess his security is pretty good."
And I suddenly realized she was surprised that no one had assassinated the President. And that she was a little disappointed. I genuinely didn't know what to say, which is a rare phenomenon, as you might have noticed. So I said nothing. And then she launched into a tirade about the medical record IT requirements, before handing me a sheaf of papers that looked like a Bible and asking me to fill in my name and social security number on approximately 6,432 different pages.
Is it too late to move to Singapore?
Edit: Oh, and even though my father died of colon cancer, my insurance won't pay for most of the colonoscopy, because I'm not fifty yet. Which was pretty close to the time my dad was diagnosed with colon cancer, which eventually cost the insurance companies thousands and thousands of dollars, including multiple rounds of chemo, surgery, and in-home care for an extended period. I've decided to hide my colon from the medicos until it's positively slopping over with cancer, just to screw them. Ha!
For some reason, the nurse thought I wanted to discuss politics, rather than have my backside investigated for cancer. And she began to discuss the PPACA. Suffice to say, it was immediately clear the only thing she knew about it was what she'd heard from a slightly smarter friend, who only knew a handful of faux facts from Fox. In particular, she was enraged that it allowed the IRS to look at all your medical records. Of course, it doesn't actually do that, but it didn't seem like a great time to get into a political argument, considering shortly someone was going to have their hands up my ass.
I bit my tongue and kept my mouth shut. And then she said, "I can't believe they haven't taken him out yet."
I said, "taken out? who?" (because I don't use punctuation while speaking.)
She said, "You know. But I guess his security is pretty good."
And I suddenly realized she was surprised that no one had assassinated the President. And that she was a little disappointed. I genuinely didn't know what to say, which is a rare phenomenon, as you might have noticed. So I said nothing. And then she launched into a tirade about the medical record IT requirements, before handing me a sheaf of papers that looked like a Bible and asking me to fill in my name and social security number on approximately 6,432 different pages.
Is it too late to move to Singapore?
Edit: Oh, and even though my father died of colon cancer, my insurance won't pay for most of the colonoscopy, because I'm not fifty yet. Which was pretty close to the time my dad was diagnosed with colon cancer, which eventually cost the insurance companies thousands and thousands of dollars, including multiple rounds of chemo, surgery, and in-home care for an extended period. I've decided to hide my colon from the medicos until it's positively slopping over with cancer, just to screw them. Ha!
ClovingWestbrook
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besada said:
I don't even know what to say.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Obama Faring Better Among Dem Voters Than Every Democratic President Since Truman: Gallup
WASHINGTON -- The debt ceiling debate has provided yet another opportunity for Democratic base voters to lament the political choices of the president they helped elect. A Washington Post-ABC poll released this week found that the number of liberal Democrats who strongly supported President Obama's record on jobs had fallen an astonishing 22 percentage points over the course of a year, from 53 percent to 31 percent. The prioritization of spending cuts over job creation -- not rhetorically, but in terms of governance -- was likely the primary contributor.
But as in similar moments in the past, such as the loss of the public option in the health care debate, the failure to end Bush-era tax cuts on high-earning Americans, and last spring's government shutdown showdown, voters' disappointments in policy choices are not translating to serious problems for Obama's reelection campaign.
President Obama currently enjoys a higher popularity among Democratic voters than every Democratic president dating back to Harry Truman had at similar junctures in their presidencies.
According to Gallup's presidential job approval data, Obama had a 78 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 24, 2011. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 20 to July 23, 1995. Before him, Jimmy Carter had a 37 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 16, 1979. Before him, Lyndon Johnson had a 63 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 18, 1967. Before him, John F. Kennedy had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 23, 1963. And before him, Harry Truman had a 76 percent approval rating percent among Democrats from July 4 to July 9, 1947.
Obama's approval ratings compared to former presidents at the same time: July 18-24 (Democrats only)
The numbers don't tell the full story. Only two of those presidents, Truman and Clinton, would go on to win reelection. In Carter's case, moreover, that 37 percent approval rating among Democrats represented a near-nadir -- it would be back up to 67 percent by the turn of 1980.
But for the Obama re-election campaign, the side-by-side comparison is an advantageous one. For starters, there is time for the president to improve on his 78 percent. More importantly, his popularity among Democrats has remained consistent even after he threw the party's sacred cows -- Social Security and Medicare -- into the deficit hysteria mix.
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For all the hysteria about Obama losing his base or his base being pissed at him, in comparison to other DEM presidents he looks very strong. The economic numbers show that he should be doing worse. Is it the crazy tea party that's keeping his numbers afloat?
WASHINGTON -- The debt ceiling debate has provided yet another opportunity for Democratic base voters to lament the political choices of the president they helped elect. A Washington Post-ABC poll released this week found that the number of liberal Democrats who strongly supported President Obama's record on jobs had fallen an astonishing 22 percentage points over the course of a year, from 53 percent to 31 percent. The prioritization of spending cuts over job creation -- not rhetorically, but in terms of governance -- was likely the primary contributor.
But as in similar moments in the past, such as the loss of the public option in the health care debate, the failure to end Bush-era tax cuts on high-earning Americans, and last spring's government shutdown showdown, voters' disappointments in policy choices are not translating to serious problems for Obama's reelection campaign.
President Obama currently enjoys a higher popularity among Democratic voters than every Democratic president dating back to Harry Truman had at similar junctures in their presidencies.
According to Gallup's presidential job approval data, Obama had a 78 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 24, 2011. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 20 to July 23, 1995. Before him, Jimmy Carter had a 37 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 16, 1979. Before him, Lyndon Johnson had a 63 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 18, 1967. Before him, John F. Kennedy had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 23, 1963. And before him, Harry Truman had a 76 percent approval rating percent among Democrats from July 4 to July 9, 1947.
Obama's approval ratings compared to former presidents at the same time: July 18-24 (Democrats only)
The numbers don't tell the full story. Only two of those presidents, Truman and Clinton, would go on to win reelection. In Carter's case, moreover, that 37 percent approval rating among Democrats represented a near-nadir -- it would be back up to 67 percent by the turn of 1980.
But for the Obama re-election campaign, the side-by-side comparison is an advantageous one. For starters, there is time for the president to improve on his 78 percent. More importantly, his popularity among Democrats has remained consistent even after he threw the party's sacred cows -- Social Security and Medicare -- into the deficit hysteria mix.
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For all the hysteria about Obama losing his base or his base being pissed at him, in comparison to other DEM presidents he looks very strong. The economic numbers show that he should be doing worse. Is it the crazy tea party that's keeping his numbers afloat?
bob_arctor
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ronito said:
hhahaahhaa that would have been perfect. besada, you are quite a patient man. i would have raised hell to hear that directed at me like i was down with the crazy crowd.
mckmas8808 said:Obama Faring Better Among Dem Voters Than Every Democratic President Since Truman: Gallup
WASHINGTON -- The debt ceiling debate has provided yet another opportunity for Democratic base voters to lament the political choices of the president they helped elect. A Washington Post-ABC poll released this week found that the number of liberal Democrats who strongly supported President Obama's record on jobs had fallen an astonishing 22 percentage points over the course of a year, from 53 percent to 31 percent. The prioritization of spending cuts over job creation -- not rhetorically, but in terms of governance -- was likely the primary contributor.
But as in similar moments in the past, such as the loss of the public option in the health care debate, the failure to end Bush-era tax cuts on high-earning Americans, and last spring's government shutdown showdown, voters' disappointments in policy choices are not translating to serious problems for Obama's reelection campaign.
President Obama currently enjoys a higher popularity among Democratic voters than every Democratic president dating back to Harry Truman had at similar junctures in their presidencies.
According to Gallup's presidential job approval data, Obama had a 78 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 24, 2011. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 20 to July 23, 1995. Before him, Jimmy Carter had a 37 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 16, 1979. Before him, Lyndon Johnson had a 63 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 13 to July 18, 1967. Before him, John F. Kennedy had a 77 percent approval rating among Democrats from July 18 to July 23, 1963. And before him, Harry Truman had a 76 percent approval rating percent among Democrats from July 4 to July 9, 1947.
Obama's approval ratings compared to former presidents at the same time: July 18-24 (Democrats only)
The numbers don't tell the full story. Only two of those presidents, Truman and Clinton, would go on to win reelection. In Carter's case, moreover, that 37 percent approval rating among Democrats represented a near-nadir -- it would be back up to 67 percent by the turn of 1980.
But for the Obama re-election campaign, the side-by-side comparison is an advantageous one. For starters, there is time for the president to improve on his 78 percent. More importantly, his popularity among Democrats has remained consistent even after he threw the party's sacred cows -- Social Security and Medicare -- into the deficit hysteria mix.
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For all the hysteria about Obama losing his base or his base being pissed at him, in comparison to other DEM presidents he looks very strong. The economic numbers show that he should be doing worse. Is it the crazy tea party that's keeping his numbers afloat?
shame that didn't translate into votes during the midterms
besada said:
I can't tell you how many times I used to hear people at my old work(used to bartend a while back) casually throw out how they wanted someone to "off" Obama.
That and blatantly racist comments about him. I must have heard the stupid "Did you hear that the Obama's are planning to dig up the White House Garden so they can put a watermelon patch in?" joke twenty times.
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TacticalFox88
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Holy shit, besada. I live in SC, and I've NEVER heard something as crazy as that.
ClovingWestbrook
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besada said:
hahaha
RustyNails
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Ugh. That's reprehensible. Now I genuinely fear for the man's life if he ever visits Texas.besada said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/transportation-infrastructure-cost_n_911207.html?1311795208
Deteriorating Transportation Infrastructure Could Cost America $3.1 Trillion
Deteriorating Transportation Infrastructure Could Cost America $3.1 Trillion
GrotesqueBeauty
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besada said:
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Doc Holliday
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It's really terrible that in afew days things might get really bad, but I must say this debt debacle is fascinating to watch. I really have no idea how this is going to turn out. Shame on Obama for letting the GOP dictate the terms of the debate. Shame on Boehner for letting the tea party spiral out of control. The same people that got the GOP control of the house might bring them down along with the rest of the country. I'ts fucking crazy!
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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He's reworked it. Vote expected tomorrow and word is that it will pass easily.Suikoguy said:
Hobbestetrician
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Does this writer realize that Johnson didn't run for reelection and JFK didn't have a chance to, leaving only Carter to actually not get reelected while trying?mckmas8808 said:
ClovingWestbrook
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Whose word is this?
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