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[Arrowgigantic]

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/coal_miners_lost_pay_when_mitt.html
lol can't make this up

If it was a nuclear plant instead of a coal mine, I would have thought I was reading a Simpsons episode recap.

 

[Gruco]

I made a joke about Obama having money in a freezer earlier as well. Can you do some research into that to show it's untrue?

Well, to my knowledge that one isn't as commonly accepted as conventional wisdom.

If you have post history about how Perot cost Bust the 92 election though I'd be happy to indulge there.

 

[empty vessel]

Arizona GOP Favorite Doesn’t Want Middle Easterners In U.S. ‘Legally Or Illegally’

“And those people, their only goal in life is to, to cause harm to the United States. So why do we want them here, either legally or illegally? When they come across the border, besides the trash that they leave behind, the drug smuggling, the killings, the beheadings. I mean, you are seeing stuff. It’s a war out there.”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/gabriela_saucedo_mercer_middle_easterners.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

The trash and the beheadings.

That'd be a good band name.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Wow

To think if we had President Gore it'd probably be going down.

 

[pigeon]

I read it on TPM, but I waited for a link from a newspaper:

WASHINGTON – A panel of federal judges threw out Texas redistricting plans Tuesday saying the state failed to show the new political lines would not discriminate against minorities under the Voting Rights Act.

Texas also failed to show that the new political lines were "not enacted with discriminatory purpose" when passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature.

"Accordingly, we deny Texas declaratory relief," the three judges said in a 154-page ruling released by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...s-reject-Texas-redistricting-plan-3821670.php

The TPM report quotes the opinion as saying that in fact the Judges found that the lines WERE enacted with discriminatory intent, which would be pretty exciting for everybody. The Chronicle is apparently more restrained.

 

[speculawyer]

James O’Keefe not allowed to fly to Tampa

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80271.html#ixzz24sBqJLzv



"Conservative filmmaker"

O’Keefe will still speak via Skype on “the role of the citizen journalist”

lol

So the supposed 'law & order' party is going to worship a faux-journalist that was criminally prosecuted for his faux-journalist stunts? Yeah criminals!

 

[makingmusic476]

My dad's going on and on about the Jumah being held during the DNC. From what I can tell it was decided to be held by the Bureau of Muslim Affairs that Friday, and the DNC was like 'ok'.

It seems like a non-issue, but all the right wing sites are freaking out about it. Cuz Muslims.

 

[worldrunover]

So the supposed 'law & order' party is going to worship a faux-journalist that was criminally prosecuted for his faux-journalist stunts? Yeah criminals!

They already worship Faux journalists all day. They have their own fair and balanced News network.

 

[Blergmeister]

To think if we had President Gore it'd probably be going down.

Why would you want the government to be taking money out of the economy? I mean, excluding times of increased inflation.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Is there a RNC thread? I couldn't find one. I heard my dad downstairs yelling "Bullshit Boehner, bullshit!" watching it.

 

[empty vessel]

Wow

Since the debt--which is a mere accounting of all the fiat money the government has created over time--has no real-world implications, the only relevant question raised by the chart is whether these things are what we want the government to spend on. Of course, that's the question for everything.

 

[LilZippa]

My dad's going on and on about the Jumah being held during the DNC. From what I can tell it was decided to be held by the Bureau of Muslim Affairs that Friday, and the DNC was like 'ok'.

It seems like a non-issue, but all the right wing sites are freaking out about it. Cuz Muslims.

Yeah I saw a facebook image on it yesterday. It almost got me to reply, but there was little info on it from what I could tell other than right wing blogosphere.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Why would you want the government to be taking money out of the economy? I mean, excluding times of increased inflation.

You missed his point?

With Gore at the helm:

1) 9/11 may have been prevented; inconclusive info on whether the Bush administration was negligent here, but assume that it may have been.

2) We definitely would NOT have gone into Iraq, saving around $1 trillion dollars

3) If 9/11 happens and we still go into Afghanistan, the outcome would likely have been very different with a different civilian leadership calling the shots and no Iraq to distract us.

4) Financial meltdown may not occur due to lame-duck SEC basically surfing the Internet watching porn; ignoring whistleblowers.

5) No Bush era tax cuts.

 

[Jimothy]

Schweitzer, Gov from Montana, is against gun control. He's pretty popular, from what I remember.

He's incredibly popular in MT, and wants to institute a single-payer health system. Pretty cool guy.

 

[Kosmo]

Wow

So all the yellow above 60% (~2010) are the Obama extension of the Bush tax cuts, right?

 

[RDreamer]

Since the debt--which is a mere accounting of all the fiat money the government has created over time--has no real-world implications, the only relevant question raised by the chart is whether these things are what we want the government to spend on. Of course, that's the question for everything.

Of course.

Though I'd still say the other relevant question is: Why is the GOP the ones debt hawking now when clearly they're the ones that brought that debt up?

That's about it. You don't have to lecture me on the debt not mattering. I've already drank that kool-aid, lol. I only bring it up in instances of Republicans being hypocritical or not getting their facts straight.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Since the debt--which is a mere accounting of all the fiat money the government has created over time--has no real-world implications, the only relevant question raised by the chart is whether these things are what we want the government to spend on. Of course, that's the question for everything.

Oh not this Ron Paul-esque nonsense again.

 

[Clevinger]

With Gore at the helm:

That's a pretty optimistic look at it. I think it would be:

1. No Iraq.

2. No Bush tax cuts

3. No Citizens United

4. Less, but still some, of those civil liberty violations

And that's about it. 9/11 and the crash almost certainly would have still happened. Those are still huge and good differences though.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Arizona GOP Favorite Doesn’t Want Middle Easterners In U.S. ‘Legally Or Illegally’

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/gabriela_saucedo_mercer_middle_easterners.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

By associating poor with illegals, I think the ultimate goal is to be able to deport poor people as well.

 

[empty vessel]

Of course.

Though I'd still say the other relevant question is: Why is the GOP the ones debt hawking now when clearly they're the ones that brought that debt up?

That's about it. You don't have to lecture me on the debt not mattering. I've already drank that kool-aid, lol. I only bring it up in instances of Republicans being hypocritical or not getting their facts straight.

I know, I'm not lecturing you, just executing my program on cue (ask eznark). I'm physically unable to pass up an opportunity to point out the irrelevancy of government debt (for governments with modern fiat monetary systems) and the benefits--even necessity--of deficit spending (positive net spending).

 

[CharlieDigital]

That's a pretty optimistic look at it. I think it would be:

1. No Iraq.

2. No Bush tax cuts

3. No Citizens United

4. Less, but still some, of those civil liberty violations

And that's about it. 9/11 and the crash almost certainly would have still happened. Those are still huge and good differences though.

I'm only talking about events as it relates to our current debt.

Certainly, the world would be a much better place had Gore won instead with two of the most important outcomes that would have changed being the subtraction of Alito and Roberts.

 

[codhand]

So the supposed 'law & order' party is going to worship a faux-journalist that was criminally prosecuted for his faux-journalist stunts? Yeah criminals!

Between my U of Newt - Dat Building course, the O'Keefe journalism seminar, and Huckabee's re-education program, my sched is looking tight, hopefully I can squeeze in some Ron Paul shouting.

 

[Mercury Fred]

That's a pretty optimistic look at it. I think it would be:

1. No Iraq.

2. No Bush tax cuts

3. No Citizens United

4. Less, but still some, of those civil liberty violations

And that's about it. 9/11 and the crash almost certainly would have still happened. Those are still huge and good differences though.

Actually, I doubt 9/11 would have happened under Gore. We know that the Bush administration was asleep at the wheel with regards to intelligence on terrorism. Also, they benefited hugely from the attacks, so, yeah.

 

[Blergmeister]

You missed his point?

With Gore at the helm:

1) 9/11 may have been prevented; inconclusive info on whether the Bush administration was negligent here, but assume that it may have been.

2) We definitely would NOT have gone into Iraq, saving around $1 trillion dollars

3) If 9/11 happens and we still go into Afghanistan, the outcome would likely have been very different with a different civilian leadership calling the shots and no Iraq to distract us.

4) Financial meltdown may not occur due to lame-duck SEC basically surfing the Internet watching porn; ignoring whistleblowers.

5) No Bush era tax cuts.

I agree that the last decade would have played out very differently, and most likely more to my political preferences, had Gore won. I was just pulling a snarky EV.

 

[Clevinger]

You are your OWN individuals! STAND UP AND STORM THE FLOOR!

THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE! DO NOT LET THEM WIN!

 

[codhand]

What kind of ironic beer should I buy?

 

[reilo]

Are we debating which of two Harvard Law graduates had the more privileged upbringing or a better chance in life? I'd say from the point they graduated, it's a draw - both a multi-millionaires, one was a governor, one is President. What's the point?

This needs a BigSicily-esque chart.

 

[Cheebo]

It is crazy (and sad) to think about how vastly different the country would be if Gore won. The vast gap between direction of one candidate over the other party is greater with Gore vs. Bush than perhaps any single election since World War II.

Without the Iraq War the reaction to 9/11 would have died down in the public far faster and 2004 likely would have been about the economy rather than foreign policy.

 

[tranciful]

I suppose it's not as bad as missing your chemotherapy.

Might be more comparable to:
http://www.care2.com/causes/tampa-releasing-inmates-to-free-up-jails-for-rnc-protesters.html

 

[Cheebo]

Are we debating which of two Harvard Law graduates had the more privileged upbringing or a better chance in life? I'd say from the point they graduated, it's a draw - both a multi-millionaires, one was a governor, one is President. What's the point?

One was raised in a house where his parents had hundreds of millions of dollars to their name and their dad was a governer, presidenitial candidate, and in the cabinet of a president.

The other was raised by his grandparents in a tiny apartment with a barely middle class life style.

Trying to dismiss that vast difference is absurd.

Also after they graduated Obama was pretty damn poor still. He worked as community organizer. A job with very little pay. It wasn't till 2004 till he became semi-rich when Dreams From My Father came out of obscurity (it didn't do well in it's initial release) and became a best seller.

So Obama has been rich for 8 years. Romney has been rich for 65 years. Yeah, same thing. And in terms of being rich Romney is over 20x as rich as Obama is.

 

[reilo]

One was raised in a house where his parents had hundreds of millions of dollars to their name and their dad was a governer, presidenitial candidate, and in the cabinet of a president.

The other was raised by his grandparents in a tiny apartment with a barely middle class life style.

Trying to dismiss that vast difference is absurd.

He pulled the BigSicily-style "from the point of graduating from Harvard" bullshittery.

 

[besada]

I applaud my state's continued inability to redistrict without having the whole thing thrown out on Federal court. There's something to be said for stupid consistency.

I'm not sure what it is, but I'm pretty sure it includes multiple instances of the word "fuck".

 

[adamsappel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIk5-l-pQ9A&feature=g-all-u

I fucking love Obama's Campaign team

I think these last couple of funny commercials have been "trying too hard." They all feel about 30 seconds too long. Still, maybe they'll inspire the Republicans to try, and there's nothing more sadly hilarious than conservatives trying to make the funny.

Are we debating which of two Harvard Law graduates had the more privileged upbringing or a better chance in life? I'd say from the point they graduated, it's a draw - both a multi-millionaires, one was a governor, one is President. What's the point?

It really is amazing how you can find the false equivalency in everything!

Arizona GOP Favorite Doesn’t Want Middle Easterners In U.S. ‘Legally Or Illegally’

It used to be a point of pride as a young West Virginian that we were a free state, until I learned that the original West Virginia state constitution forbid any black person, free or slave, within its borders.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101174906727

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.single.html

Kennedy absolutely bought that election. I once heard a radio interview with someone from West Virginia who had to deliver a certain county's votes for Kennedy. The Kennedy bagman asked how much it was going to cost.
"$2000."
"$2000 a vote, got it."
"Nope, $2000 for the whole county." And that, my friends, is West Virginia through and through. Even our corruption is small-time and poor.

So all the yellow above 60% (~2010) are the Obama extension of the Bush tax cuts, right?

Why don't you call them the Obama tax cuts, then?

 

[Black Republican]

whats this i hear about jennifer carroll lt gov of florida being gay on thedown low?

 

[markatisu]

The PPP poll used 1,244 automated interviews with likely voters via landline (automated surveys are prohibited from calling cell phones) conducted Aug. 23-26. It has a sampling error of 2.8 percent.

Oh jesus landline only, so in Iowa they got old white people who still have a landline, what an awesome poll

 

[PhoenixDark]

Michigan’s Republican Governor On Obama’s Welfare Policy: ‘More Flexibility To Governors Is A Good Thing’

The Romney campaign has aggressively campaigned against President Obama’s recent changes to the welfare program, alleging that he “gutted” welfare, eliminating the work requirement so that “they just send you your check.” In fact, the administration’s welfare waiver initiative would strengthen work requirements by simply empowering states to innovate on new strategies.

And it turns out that at least one Republican governor, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder, supports Obama’s policy change. On MSNBC Tuesday afternoon, Tom Brokaw pressed Snyder on how he felt about the increased flexibility Obama gave the states. Snyder’s response was surprisingly positive as he sat in the GOP convention hall waiting to choose Mitt Romney as his party’s nominee:

BROKAW: [Governors] want more flexibility in how they administer these welfare programs. He’s really responding to what they asked for. So my question to you is, has what President Obama done for welfare in the state of Michigan, has that given you more flexibility and are you happy with this policy in that regard?

SNYDER: It’s still relatively new, this change in policy, so we are still fully analyzing it. The concept of more flexibility to governors is a good thing, but I think there should be performance metrics. We should be held accountable for performance but flexibility on how to do it.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/28/759341/michigan-republican-gov-welfare/?mobile=nc

I may not like his politics, but I can't deny Snyder has a history of not being interested in playing politics. I respect that.

 

[Measley]

You are your OWN individuals! STAND UP AND STORM THE FLOOR!

THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE! DO NOT LET THEM WIN!

Whoa. WTF is going on?

 

[A Human Becoming]

Oh jesus landline only, so in Iowa they got old white people who still have a landline, what an awesome poll

That's a huge problem with modern public data collection, not just with political polling.

The only columnist I read right now is Glenn Greenwald. Any suggestions in that vain? Paul Krguamn? Matt Taibbi?

 

[eBay Huckster]

If you are making $300k a year and don't have a net worth exceeding a million you need to hire a financial adviser...or fire your current one.

Or accept your fate as Joe Biden.

 

[Angry Fork]

So has anyone seen the the "2016: Obama's America" documentary yet? I saw a trailer which was really bad in a funny way and I know Dinesh is a lying disingenuous fool from his religious debates. I kind of want to see it just to see what they're really scared of. It's funny how some of the stuff they claim Obama to be I wish he really was (like saying he's really a closet socialist, had Marxist professors, wants bigger government etc.). If socialist and communist organizations say Obama isn't either why are people on the right still so paranoid lol.

I know cowboy tea party people don't care about facts and I get why they're paranoid but I refuse to believe at least politicians are stupid enough to not see how conservative Obama is on say tax rates compared to past presidents. It really makes me believe it always comes back to race. They just really don't like a black guy as the head honcho. Either that or they don't like that he isn't right enough. He may be as right as Reagan but now they want to go further or something.

I really don't understand, do they want state capitalist fascism? What is the point of all the rage and paranoia. People like Dinesh or even Bill O'Reilly are assholes but they're not entirely stupid they know Obama is no Mao or Stalin so what is the point of it all. Just to further their own popularity and recognition? Do they not realize there is a tipping point on the amount of fear you can throw at uneducated people before they explode?

 

[speculawyer]

I applaud my state's continued inability to redistrict without having the whole thing thrown out on Federal court. There's something to be said for stupid consistency.

I'm not sure what it is, but I'm pretty sure it includes multiple instances of the word "fuck".

Just one instance . . . . . They don't give a fuck.

 

[speculawyer]

So has anyone seen the the "2016: Obama's America" documentary yet? I saw a trailer which was really bad in a funny way and I know Dinesh is a lying disingenuous fool from his religious debates. I kind of want to see it just to see what they're really scared of. It's funny how some of the stuff they claim Obama to be I wish he really was (like saying he's really a closet socialist, had Marxist professors, wants bigger government etc.). If socialist and communist organizations say Obama isn't either why are people on the right still so paranoid lol.

If you really want to see it then just buy a ticket for another movie and sneak in. That is what Michael Moore told Conservatives to do when they said they didn't want to support him but wanted to see the movie.

 

[Clevinger]

So has anyone seen the the "2016: Obama's America" documentary yet? I saw a trailer which was really bad in a funny way and I know Dinesh is a lying disingenuous fool from his religious debates. I kind of want to see it just to see what they're really scared of. It's funny how some of the stuff they claim Obama to be I wish he really was (like saying he's really a closet socialist, had Marxist professors, wants bigger government etc.). If socialist and communist organizations say Obama isn't either why are people on the right still so paranoid lol.

I know cowboy tea party people don't care about facts and I get why they're paranoid but I refuse to believe at least politicians are stupid enough to not see how conservative Obama is on say tax rates compared to past presidents. It really makes me believe it always comes back to race. They just really don't like a black guy as the head honcho. Either that or they don't like that he isn't right enough. He may be as right as Reagan but now they want to go further or something.

I really don't understand, do they want state capitalist fascism? What is the point of all the rage and paranoia. People like Dinesh or even Bill O'Reilly are assholes but they're not entirely stupid they know Obama is no Mao or Stalin so what is the point of it all. Just to further their own popularity and recognition? Do they not realize there is a tipping point on the amount of fear you can throw at uneducated people before they explode?

I think Dinesh's main goal here is making money, more than anything by far. He's found a nice money well (conspiracy-loving Obama-haters), and he's exploiting it for all it's worth. Jerking off to colonialism is just a nice added bonus for him.

O'Reilly's a moron who believes all sorts of stupid and contradictory things. He really is too dumb to take a second to think about any of it.

 

[massoluk]

9/11 would have happened

May be, may be not. I'm still raged at Rice testifying about the memo. By some account, Bush team also dissed Clinton admin's initiative, Clinton transition to Gore would probably help smooth thing over.
Too much ifs for me anyway.

 

[Jooney]

Make a movie based off a book you wrote so you can sell more books.

Airtight.

 

[Cloudy]

How does Al Sharpton have a tv show? His delivery is awful and he isn't comfortable reading off a prompter at all. Just painful to watch/listen to...

I'd rather see an obnoxious Olbermann over this...

 

[Black Mamba]

So all the yellow above 60% (~2010) are the Obama extension of the Bush tax cuts, right?

No, because it includes interest from the deficit due to tax cuts under Bush.

 

[demon]

How does Al Sharpton have a tv show? His delivery is awful and he isn't comfortable reading off a prompter at all. Just painful to watch/listen to...

I'd rather see an obnoxious Olbermann over this...

There's still a part of me that thinks he's just filling in for somebody taking the night off every time I see Sharpton's show. He really does have an awkward presence on it.

 

[Allard]

So has anyone seen the the "2016: Obama's America" documentary yet? I saw a trailer which was really bad in a funny way and I know Dinesh is a lying disingenuous fool from his religious debates. I kind of want to see it just to see what they're really scared of. It's funny how some of the stuff they claim Obama to be I wish he really was (like saying he's really a closet socialist, had Marxist professors, wants bigger government etc.). If socialist and communist organizations say Obama isn't either why are people on the right still so paranoid lol.

I know cowboy tea party people don't care about facts and I get why they're paranoid but I refuse to believe at least politicians are stupid enough to not see how conservative Obama is on say tax rates compared to past presidents. It really makes me believe it always comes back to race. They just really don't like a black guy as the head honcho. Either that or they don't like that he isn't right enough. He may be as right as Reagan but now they want to go further or something.

I really don't understand, do they want state capitalist fascism? What is the point of all the rage and paranoia. People like Dinesh or even Bill O'Reilly are assholes but they're not entirely stupid they know Obama is no Mao or Stalin so what is the point of it all. Just to further their own popularity and recognition? Do they not realize there is a tipping point on the amount of fear you can throw at uneducated people before they explode?

Its not 'their' guy. Could be Racist (we know it is for some people) but it also has to do with party affiliation, what he did with his life, his focus in politics (You know... actually making the government function) and it also has a lot to do with a lot generational changes in the social structure that some of them are frightened by (minority groups getting larger, gay marriage, acceleration of technology etc.) and instead of trying to come to terms with the change coming, they instead try all they can to make a boogieman to stop and rally against the change and it has just stuck to Obama.

I honestly think if it was Hilary, or a lot of other democratic presidents this vilification would still persist, McConnell was already admitting before Obama even got elected they were going to disavow or obstruct everything that congress was trying to pass and since Obama is the head of the party as much as he is head of the country, he became a lightning rod for this political stunt and it brought with them a lot of disgusting baggage of people that actually were racist or closet racists which compounded the issue. Basically the establishment republicans tried to pull a political stunt and it brought the rest of the party down to a fringe level in hopes of retaking the rule of government, and we are left with the fallout.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

How does Al Sharpton have a tv show? His delivery is awful and he isn't comfortable reading off a prompter at all. Just painful to watch/listen to...

I'd rather see an obnoxious Olbermann over this...

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Beats me he's fucking awful as a speaker and human being.