PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand
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Fragamemnon
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Cooter said:
hey look, economy is in the shitter, let's take more spending out of it and make things worse. austerity in the face of recession is folly. We're going to run some deficits for a while-not as large, since we can get out or Iraq and nuke some of the most terrible of tax cuts and ineffective gov't programs pretty quick-and then once things turn around we should focus on getting that deficit as a percentage of GDP down to a more reasonable level.
The Lamonster
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Yes, I agree with Flo. You shouldn't have a problem with parking if you don't mind walking a few blocks.Flo_Evans said:
grandjedi6
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You don't need a supermajority to pass spending bills. So by your logic we're fucked alreadyCooter said:
platypotamus
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Cooter said:
No, I don't. I think that judicious spending in the right places can do wonders for the economy. I'm particularly excited about Obama's various plans for infrastructure... and on the local level, there's an issue on our ballots here in Seattle to spend some money extending the plans for the light rail and bus system, and I'll be voting yes on that too.
I'd love to see a redirection of spending, but certainly not a decrease in it.
The Ohio GOP lawsuit goes to the Supreme Court for an emergency decision. Specifically, Justice Stevens.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ohio-seeks-to-block-voter-challenge-ruling/
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/ohio-seeks-to-block-voter-challenge-ruling/
Touchdown said:
Yeah, that was scary on how similar it is to the McCain campaign's speaking points.
BTW, does anyone else almost type "McCamp" when they mean to type "McCain campaign"? :lol
Dahellisdat
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I think we might be down for that. It'll probably be crowded as hell trying to get back on the train right after anyway. We're going to be taking the train from the shrewsbury station to the arch though.Flo_Evans said:Not sure if I am going to metro it or use my parking pass. My garage is 10 blocks away
What station are you guys going to meet at? Might be kind of hard to meet up before but I think we should all go to a bar afterwards
Funky Papa
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Funky Papa said:
It's a VERY odd cropping of an Osama picture, that just happens to be shaded to look like Obama.
speculawyer
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Here is a line from the debate that made me scream:
Senator John McCain prioritizes nuclear power. We can eliminate our dependence on foreign oil by building 45 new nuclear plants, power plants, right away. We can store and we can reprocess, he said. source
What? Only tiny tiny fraction of our electricity is generated with oil (less than 3%). We use oil for cars, not electricity . . . so how is 45 nuclear plants gonna help reduce oil dependence?
I know what you are going to say . . . electric cars. Well guess what . . . the existing electric infrastructure could handle millions electric cars or plug-in hybrids right now as is. Don't believe me? Well ask Bush's own Department of Energy.
So that made no sense whatsoever, McCain.
Senator John McCain prioritizes nuclear power. We can eliminate our dependence on foreign oil by building 45 new nuclear plants, power plants, right away. We can store and we can reprocess, he said. source
What? Only tiny tiny fraction of our electricity is generated with oil (less than 3%). We use oil for cars, not electricity . . . so how is 45 nuclear plants gonna help reduce oil dependence?
I know what you are going to say . . . electric cars. Well guess what . . . the existing electric infrastructure could handle millions electric cars or plug-in hybrids right now as is. Don't believe me? Well ask Bush's own Department of Energy.
So that made no sense whatsoever, McCain.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Funky Papa said:
Jesus Christ?
VictimOfGrief
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Oh snap!!Crayon Shinchan said:
I ego just called and it wants it's pride back. :lol
Either way, I'm still quite enjoying some of the comments in this thread.
soul creator
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Cooter said:
no
well, cut spending on wasteful things obviously (like the Iraq War for example), but not just blindly "cut spending" altogether. All government spending isn't "bad". Some things should be looked at as investments.
We need to spend money on health care (but find ways to cut how much it costs in the first place) to have a productive workforce and prevent people from becoming sick and broke and not being able to pay their mortgages (which is partially a reason for the failing economy). We need to invest in alternative energy and our infrastructure so that we can potentially get new jobs and energy savings out of it. We need to spend money on education so that we have qualified workers for all of these new jobs that need to be created which can help grow the economy.
In the long run, these investments could pay off in a big way.
The Lamonster
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Yeah that'd be cool. Any other St. Louis Gaffers interested?Flo_Evans said:Not sure if I am going to metro it or use my parking pass. My garage is 10 blocks away
What station are you guys going to meet at? Might be kind of hard to meet up before but I think we should all go to a bar afterwards
Cooter said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12934646&postcount=478
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I think Newt Gingrich was banging this drum too. Suddenly the philosophy of government doesn't matter. What's important is balancing the party composition of the legislature.
And guess what! The minority party which we all must support in order to stave off a supermajority just happens to be the one I support anyway!
What a delightful coincidence!
platypotamus
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speculawyer said:
I remember thinking there seemed to be a bit of a disconnect there, but way to sum it up!
speculawyer said:
McCain is the king of hyperbole, which is actually funny considering some of the stuff Obama said in his nomination clinching speech that was quite hyperbolic.
ACORN IS DESTROYING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY
I WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET IN FOUR YEARS WITHOUT RAISING ANYONES TAXES
HEALTH OF THE MOTHER IS THE EXTREME POSITION OF FAR LEFT WACKOS
grandjedi6
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Me thinks Mr. Edwards isn't going to show up for a long time to come.so_awes said:
electricpirate
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speculawyer said:
"I don't have a solution to the oil crisis so i'm going to give you a delicious wether's original young man!"
I feel embarassed to be an American, especially Arizonan, everytime someone tries to defend McCain (usually the elderly). I really don't understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for him after what the Republicans did to our country the past 8 years. Fuckin blows my mind.
krackerjack
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I don't know much really, so this question is not nearly as complex as the discussion about energy that is going on, but:
The nuclear energy thing. If those nuclear energy plants are built and one explodes, doesn't that like wipe out the entire surrounding area? Just curious...don't know where I heard that before but I thought I might ask. If it's true I wouldn't want to live around something like that:lol
The nuclear energy thing. If those nuclear energy plants are built and one explodes, doesn't that like wipe out the entire surrounding area? Just curious...don't know where I heard that before but I thought I might ask. If it's true I wouldn't want to live around something like that:lol
Steve Youngblood
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Here's my problem with your argument: even if I agree with you on the dangers of one party having too much power, what do you propose I do about it? We're not voting nationwide for congressional candidates, so it's not like we can coordinate which senators and representatives we're throwing under the bus. What can I do? Well, Dick Durbin is up for reelection, so I guess I can vote against him for the sake of saving us all from Democratic tyranny, but why would I do that if I feel that Durbin represents me better than his Republican opponent.Cooter said:
You seem to be trying to make an argument just for the sake of making an argument.
Fragamemnon said:
No question about that. Between Joe the Plumber and Jay the Libertarian, this thread went from interesting to and somewhat informative to a near total waste of 10 pages.
Incognito said:
:lol
Incognito said:
If Texas is even remotely close to being in play, then I'll have to double down on my volunteering for Noriega. The final Noriega/Cornyn debate is tonight, by the way.
soul creator
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Tamanon said:
LATER FOR THOSE EXTREME ENVIRONMENTALISTS AND THEIR "WE WANT SAFE NUCLEAR ENERGY" TALK
Jason's Ultimatum
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A president being a fiscal conservative is pretty much an oxymoron.
So my question is, has there ever been a conservative governor who was actually a fiscal conservative?
So my question is, has there ever been a conservative governor who was actually a fiscal conservative?
RobotChant
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Fragamemnon said:
At the start of this econ crisis, I'm not sure why the McCain camp still was campaigning on "cutting spending". It sounds like "tough luck, you're on your own". Also plays into Obama's tag of McCain being out of touch. During tough times I believe people want to hear that there will be help, not that the hand will recoil.
You can never be sure if people pick up on these things. Looking at the debate numbers, and Obama's overall better polling on the economy, maybe they did.
CharlieDigital
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krackerjack said:
It's not a real issue. Countries like France, I believe, use mostly nuclear energy to generate electricity. There hasn't been a major meltdown in decades. Nuclear itself is pretty safe, based on what I understand and based on history, but there is such a stigma.
The real question with nuclear is what to do with the spent fuel.
Karma Kramer
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I am starting to think that the Bradley effect is going to be greater then most think. Idk... my gut keeps telling me that Obama is going to lose for some reason.
I guess I have no faith in the American people.
I guess I have no faith in the American people.
VictimOfGrief
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CharlieDigital said:
Get rid of taxes on new businesses to come up with ways to dispose of it. I think we need a Manhattan Project 2 when it comes to our next major sources of energy.
CharlieDigital
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VictimOfGrief said:
You can't "dispose of it"...
Forever dumb indeed.
Sorry, had to go there
grandjedi6
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You mean a Nuclear meltdown, nuclear power plants can't cause a nuclear explosion. And the chance of damage occuring to the is 4 x 10-7 per plant per year. Even then that doens't necessarily lead to a meltdown. The actual chance of a meltdown is insanely small and essentially obsolet with the proper maintence and operation.krackerjack said:
The risks in operating a nuclear power facility are very real. They can be managed, certainly. But there was actually good reason for the government to step up security around nuclear plants post-9/11. Mischief leading to a reactor meltdown is both possible and very dangerous (producing fall-out, not Hiroshima). Mis-management leading to meltdown is also possible, though less likely.CharlieDigital said:
VictimOfGrief
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CharlieDigital said:You can't "dispose of it"...
Forever dumb indeed.Sorry, had to go there
What the fuck else are you going to do with it? Store it, burn it, reuse it, dispose is simply another word for the above.
The Blue Jihad
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Cooter said:
Cooter, don't be dense. A super majority is dangerous when the controlling party is a bunch of dickholes with little to no regard for America, their own constituents, or the well-being of the world.
You had better not want a deadlocked or razor-thin slim majority. Cause that's exactly why nothing is able to get done as it is.
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Tideas said:
You can keep fearing all you want, but every polling expert has concluded that your fears have no basis in reality.
I saw worse defeatism from some of the liberals here two years ago. Then as now, the irrational pessimists will be proven wrong, and the polls will turn out to be right.
grandjedi6
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Not advancing nuclear power because of Chenobyl or 3 mile island would be like stopping all aircraft flights because of 9-11. Wait, actually, the chance of and damage of a plane crash is higher than a nuclear meltdownVennt said:
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