PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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zesty said:
Once it gets out of our orbit, I'm guessing we won't give a shit what happens to it.
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Exactly. Who gives a shit where it goes, as long as we push it in any single direction and it has enough momentum to not get pulled back by Earth's orbit, who the hell cares where we put our space trash?
 
gkrykewy said:
Too expensive given the apparent lack of superman :(
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Who needs Superman to dump waste into space?

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Stoney Mason said:
The CBS sunday morning show is a bit stiff and staid. Since he has Texas connections some of GAF thought he would be red state friendly I suppose. Anybody who's watched him over the course of his career though knows he's pretty fair and balanced. Personally I always preferred him to Russert by a large degree even though that is a minority position in this thread.
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Thanks for the info, I'll make a point to check his show out next time I'm up then.
 
Evlar said:
First of all, we have rockets that reach Jupiter (390 million miles away) in a matter of a few years. Spacecraft outside orbit move much, much faster than the space shuttle.

Second... Why do you need a rocket to get to the sun? You just need enough fuel to get out of orbit. Once you get out of the earth's gravity well, as long as you're moving in the general direction of Sol at slowish speeds, you'll naturally fall into it eventually. Gravity is on your side.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, but this country really needs to start focusing on space exploration. NASA needs more money.
 
lawblob said:
Exactly. Who gives a shit where it goes, as long as we push it in any single direction and it has enough momentum to not get pulled back by Earth's orbit, who the hell cares where we put our space trash?
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Apparently you didn't see that episode of Furturama where the giant trash ball from the 20th Century came back to haunt them.
 
mckmas8808 said:
And 36% of the total votes so far this year in GA are from black people.
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I'm waiting till the actual day I already asked off of work, I'm going with my mom and she is a fundie but also voting Obama. She thinks Mccain is always angry and that's not spurrritual.
 
I wonder what Obama special will be about...

I have a gut feeling he'll air this wonderful cartoon classic for the masses to enjoy:

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rSpooky said:
If only cold fusion would work.. if I remember correctly it is theorized there is no chance of meltdowns and there is less/no nuclear waste !?Right?
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Imagine what an abundance of helium might do to our raging man-floating-away-in-a-chair-tied-to-balloons problem.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Apparently you didn't see that episode of Furturama where the giant trash ball from the 20th Century came back to haunt them.
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I am talking about super-serious important issues facing our country, not some librul candy-land cartoon!! Country First!
 
mckmas8808 said:
And 36% of the total votes so far this year in GA are from black people.
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Yup, though it seems to be dropping a bit. 32% of yesterday's voters were black. Still too early to call what the final turnout will look like.
 
sangreal said:
The thing I don't get about McCain's position is that he doesn't just say that nuclear power is safe, he says that Obama is wrong for saying it must be safe. Why is he advocating unsafe nuclear power?
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McCain advanced a lot of argument talking points without the argument itself. He did it with the "spread the wealth around" "health of the mother" and "safe nuclear energy" bits especially. He made statements as though everyone understood his underlying argument and agreed with it, playing to the base. The "safe" argument is an argument about regulation restricting investment, but the way he advanced it was that he doesn't care about things being safe.
 
Fatalah said:
I wonder what Obama special will be about...

I have a gut feeling he'll air this wonderful cartoon classic for the masses to enjoy:

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Bonus feature included: You're not elected, Charlie Brown. :lol
 
lawblob said:
Exactly. Who gives a shit where it goes, as long as we push it in any single direction and it has enough momentum to not get pulled back by Earth's orbit, who the hell cares where we put our space trash?
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I know nothing about space but couldn't a comet or a meteorite push it back towards the earth in X00 years?

I'm just scared that these kind of decisions would end up being shortsighted at some point. I guess I just don't want to be part of the generation that completely screwed up the earth.
 
Evlar said:
Considering the number of operating nuclear plants in the history of the world versus the number of incidents of accidental contamination from nuclear plants tells me the chance of any given nuclear plant failing is considerably higher than any given commercial plane.

EDIT: In response to CharlieDigital above- Yeah, I agree the danger of nuclear power is sensationalized, I agree it's fairly safe, but it isn't safe like coal or hydro-electric either. It falls somewhere in between.
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Well you'd be wrong. Especially considering Chernobyl has so far been the only incidence of accidently radiation on the public (above natural levels)
 
am I the only one that bangs my head against a wall whenever the whole "raising taxes on the rich will kill jobs!" talking point rears its head like Putin? It's like some people think the tax rate is gonna go to 90% or something like it was back in the 40's and 50's (and even then, our economy was probably more stable, lolz). And it completely ignores the fact that we've already been "killing jobs" the past 8 years with all of these lovely tax cuts in place already.

RICH PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PISS ON US ANYTIME SOON THEY HAVE FANCY EXPENSIVE BATHROOMS FOR THAT
 
GhaleonEB said:
Early Voting Begins in North Carolina Today

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Hopefully the NC state website updates with early vote totals in addition to their voter registration totals.
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I always wonder when I read about early voting - how many people really do so? I mean percentage wise? Is it worth paying any attention to?



edit: that's what I get for not reading the thread - 18% of all votes cast in 2004? woah. Either Obama's "early voting" initiative really worked, or this will be a record turnout year, or the voter turnout in 2004 was rather low. Probably a combination of the three, actually. :)
 
Haunted said:
I always wonder when I read about early voting - how many people really do so? I mean percentage wise? Is it worth paying any attention to?
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Depends on the state and the window of early voting. I'd say generally you're looking at 20% or so early voting. NC is a bit different because it allows you to register and early vote during this time period.
 
soul creator said:
am I the only one that bangs my head against a wall whenever the whole "raising taxes on the rich will kill jobs!" talking point rears its head like Putin? It's like some people think the tax rate is gonna go to 90% or something like it was back in the 40's and 50's (and even then, our economy was probably more stable, lolz). And it completely ignores the fact that we've already been "killing jobs" the past 8 years with all of these lovely tax cuts in place already.

RICH PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PISS ON US ANYTIME SOON THEY HAVE FANCY EXPENSIVE BATHROOMS FOR THAT
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Old Joe already told you! Taxes killed his plans!!!!
 
Tamanon said:
Depends on the state and the window of early voting. I'd say generally you're looking at 20% or so early voting. NC is a bit different because it allows you to register and early vote during this time period.
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Thanks. Well, that is a significant number. Definitely worth following.
 
soul creator said:
am I the only one that bangs my head against a wall whenever the whole "raising taxes on the rich will kill jobs!" talking point rears its head like Putin? It's like some people think the tax rate is gonna go to 90% or something like it was back in the 40's and 50's (and even then, our economy was probably more stable, lolz). And it completely ignores the fact that we've already been "killing jobs" the past 8 years with all of these lovely tax cuts in place already.

RICH PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PISS ON US ANYTIME SOON THEY HAVE FANCY EXPENSIVE BATHROOMS FOR THAT
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Well, the argument attempts to cater to a fear that higher taxes is going to cause even more jobs to be cut. It's an argument that isn't going to gain any traction in the economic climate, but it's really one of the few things they've got left that has worked well in the past.
 
Ben Smith said:
The Toledo Blade is reporting that Joe the Plumber is actually not licensed. But that, combined with his apparent tax lien, isn't lessening McCain's ardor.

He said in an interview with Fox's Carl Cameron today that he hoped to hook up with the instantly famous Ohioan soon.

“I'm probably going to call him this morning," McCain said. "I thought he would probably be up late. I heard that his — that his phone lines were pretty well flooded. But I think we're going to be spending some time together.”
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So is McCain actually going to drag this dude he doesn't know from Adam to his rallies and make him the "mascot" for his campaign? Didn't he learn anything from the Palin fiasco? This reeks of desperation.

Joe is not a licensed plumber, not an independent, in a tax bracket in which he would benefit from Obama's tax cuts and his first official declaration was racially-tinged. How is this not going to be a disaster?
 
speculawyer said:
Well . . . the laws of physics haven't changed either nor have the laws of economics. And nuclear reactor technology has probably not change much since then either.
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That's not true. 1992 preceded the metasticization of the evangelical cancer through the republican body politick, and the consequent return of "god did it" as a physical law.

In other words, if we all would just pray that no nuclear newcuelar accidents would occur, clearly they wouldn't.
 
Kildace said:
I know nothing about space but couldn't a comet or a meteorite push it back towards the earth in X00 years?

I'm just scared that these kind of decisions would end up being shortsighted at some point. I guess I just don't want to be part of the generation that completely screwed up the earth.
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I think that is theoretically possible, but mathematically improbable. The odds of nuclear space trash getting dinged by something and coming back to Earth as a result is probably as likely as dropping a marble from an airplane at 40,000 feet and hitting my Civic windshield.
 
Kildace said:
So is McCain actually going to drag this dude he doesn't know from Adam to his rallies and make him the "mascot" for his campaign? Didn't he learn anything from the Palin fiasco? This reeks of desperation.
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The MSNBC voter group gave a unanimous thumbs down to the "Joe the Plumber" bits. I don't think this is going to work out the way that he wants it to...
 
I didn't think I was such an emotional guy, but it seems like every single McCain or Palin quote I read lately sends me into an uncontrollable rage. :lol The way he carried out the debate last night literally frustrated me so much that it gave me a headache. (A big part of the problem is the knowledge that so many people are convinced by his manipulative BS...)

I'm just trying to remind myself to breathe... anyone else having this problem? :P
 
Haunted said:
I always wonder when I read about early voting - how many people really do so? I mean percentage wise? Is it worth paying any attention to?
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31 states allow early voting this year. I can't find the article, but early voting could be over 30% of all votes nation-wide this year, up from ~20% in 2004.

In Georgia (the only state to provide daily updates), early votes already make up 18% of the final 2004 turnout.

Edit: just saw your edit. :p

Also, that's already nearly everyone who voted early in 2004, and we're nearly three weeks from election day.
 
MrCheez said:
I didn't think I was such an emotional guy, but it seems like every single McCain or Palin quote I read lately sends me into an uncontrollable rage. :lol Listening to him talk last night literally frustrated me so much that it gave me a headache. (A big part of the problem is the knowledge that so many people are convinced by his manipulative BS...)

I'm just trying to remind myself to breathe... anyone else having this problem? :P
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Watch the Phillies instead.
 
Haunted said:
I always wonder when I read about early voting - how many people really do so? I mean percentage wise? Is it worth paying any attention to?
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I plan to vote early here in Illinois. One thing that's nice is that I can vote at any location and I can vote on a Saturday.
 
MrCheez said:
I didn't think I was such an emotional guy, but it seems like every single McCain or Palin quote I read lately sends me into an uncontrollable rage. :lol Listening to him talk last night literally frustrated me so much that it gave me a headache. (A big part of the problem is the knowledge that so many people are convinced by his manipulative BS...)

I'm just trying to remind myself to breathe... anyone else having this problem? :P
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Try talking to my dad. He's pretty much the only person in the world that can send me into a screaming fit with his "Obama launched his campaign in the living room of a terrorist!" bullshit.
 
GhaleonEB said:
31 states allow early voting this year. I can't find the article, but early voting could be over 30% of all votes nation-wide this year, up from ~20% in 2004.

In Georgia (the only state to provide daily updates), early votes already make up 18% of the final 2004 turnout.

Edit: just saw your edit. :p

Also, that's already nearly everyone who voted early in 2004, and we're nearly three weeks from election day.
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No wonder Obama is pushing early voting so hard.
 
Cooter said:
Ok, let's try this. In this economy and in our situation does everyone agree that we need to dramatically cut spending? If yes, do you think Obama with a supermajority will achieve this? Look at all the damage Bush did and he didn't have a supermajority at all.
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NO! Do not cut spending overall. We need to invest in healthcare, alternative energy, and college educations.
 
Wait a minute, this faux-plumber is actually on record saying Obama's tax plan "infuriates me." Holy shit, can we please expose this fucking GOP plant and move on. If the MSM devotes more than a single day to this nonsense, I am going to freak out.
 
gkrykewy said:
Watch the Phillies instead.
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Haha, I definitely need a distraction. I'm so ready for this election to be finished - it's taking a lot out of me!

ArtG said:
Try talking to my dad. He's pretty much the only person in the world that can send me into a screaming fit with his "Obama launched his campaign in the living room of a terrorist!" bullshit.
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This "Obama = Terrorist" fiasco drives me wild. The fact that people can fall for it... and the simple fact that the McCain campaign is using such dirty tactics to try to win... it drives me wild. Does anyone think that McCain actually believes Obama has any terrorist connections? I can almost guarantee that he and his campaign team are KNOWINGLY manipulating the American people and very strategically using fear to his advantage. It's so despicable... how can anyone respect a man who does this, especially at a time when our country is in such great need?
 
God, I'd hate to be Joe the Plumber right now.

I imagine it'd feel pretty surreal to have the ears of the whole nation all of a sudden, but the way he's being pried open and used is pretty sickening. If I was in that position, I wouldn't answer my phone and I'd leave a message on my voice mail saying that I plan to make no statements to the media or be a part of campaign events. I might just make a small endorsement and leave it at that.
 
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