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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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Jason's Ultimatum
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Shit. I just realized that with Palin being a staunch pro-lifer, could this further push the perm. banning on stem cell research if the issue is brought over the coming months? I remember reading a few days ago on how the GOP doesn't just want to ban federal funding, but even private funding on stem cell research.
mamacint said:
Don't get me wrong. I actually think she's alright. I think that while I disagree with her on pretty much everything when it comes to social values she looks like a genuinely competent governor of a small state with integrity and charm.
But that's not enough because John McCain is not Barack Obama. John McCain doesn't know much about the economy and he picks a VP whose economic experience is running a state with less than a million people in it? John McCain is sometimes reckless in his foreign views and instead of picking someone more moderate that could reassure the electorate he picks someone who does not even have foreign policy views? John McCain enjoys the image of being a maverick, he has some independant and moderate appeal, he picks a social conservative?
John McCain has a million flaws and the only thing Sarah Palin brings to the ticket is charm. Her disturbing lack of experience makes her a liability to her ticket as democrats drill into the mind of voters that McCain is old and that they will be taking the risk of giving her the reins of this country by voting for McCain. You can't run on a platform of experience and attack your opponent about it when you pick Sarah Palin. And that was pretty much the only way McCain could defeat Obama, by being the safe choice.
Sarah Palin in 2012 with 4 years on the national stage and 6 years of experience as a governor might end up being a fearsome candidate running against Barrack Obama if she doesn't end up Ferraro'd, but it's far too soon for her to run. It'd be like if Obama had been selected by Kerry in 2004.
PhoenixDark
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BenjaminBirdie
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Dax01 said:"After his attacks on Obama's readiness for the job, it'll be amusing to hear a 72-year-old with a history of health problems justify this decision, said Jim Jordan, a veteran Democratic strategist. "She's a talent, but that's the end of the experience message from John McCain."
Good article.
GREAT article.
How is everyone not seeing this? How is anyone supporting this decision?
Byakuya769
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Hitokage said:
He's very sane, and highly intelligent (spoke with him in person).. he's just wrong on the majority of issues.
Captain Pants
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Even my Republican father sees this as a tremendous fuckup. We've got a $100 bet riding on this election, and he pretty well conceded that he will be paying me this November.
CharlieDigital
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CNN also had a clip of Palin basically saying "I don't know what the VP does" when asked a few months (weeks?) back what she thought about the remote possibility to be a VP. It was truly :lol
TheGrayGhost
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Shiggie said:
That wasn't it, though. He had a debate with a McCain camp official and completely owned 'em.
Tyrone Slothrop
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some thoughts on today's annoucement. just my opinions, of course...
this is bad news for the good guys. it is still likely obama will get well over 270 electoral votes - i'm not going chicken little here - but today that goal just got a little harder to achieve. that "rallying the base" problem will be non-existent now. palin is a dyed in the wool republican and her progeny are going to flock toward her like flies to shit.
in this i'm tired of hearing about hillary's voters because they're almost a non-issue. they were a factor in this decision, but only because the prospect of a woman vp was so ubiquitous this year that it became easy to capitalize on. only a fringe few of those 18 million voters are blindly devoted to getting a woman president.
this is very telling of how mccain sees his chances - if he thought his prospects were good he'd have made the same decision obama did: pick somebody he knows, is ready for the job at any given moment, somebody with some degree of establishment. but here total hypocracy is exhibited as he goes for appeal in lieu of experience, what'll give him "a bump in the polls." and i have to give it to mccain. brilliant choice. it's scary hell as this woman inching close to being the most powerful person in the world, shows that winning is put above all in this game, but that's reality. winning is the goal and mccain (or whoever made the decision) is at the top of his game
this is bad news for the good guys. it is still likely obama will get well over 270 electoral votes - i'm not going chicken little here - but today that goal just got a little harder to achieve. that "rallying the base" problem will be non-existent now. palin is a dyed in the wool republican and her progeny are going to flock toward her like flies to shit.
in this i'm tired of hearing about hillary's voters because they're almost a non-issue. they were a factor in this decision, but only because the prospect of a woman vp was so ubiquitous this year that it became easy to capitalize on. only a fringe few of those 18 million voters are blindly devoted to getting a woman president.
this is very telling of how mccain sees his chances - if he thought his prospects were good he'd have made the same decision obama did: pick somebody he knows, is ready for the job at any given moment, somebody with some degree of establishment. but here total hypocracy is exhibited as he goes for appeal in lieu of experience, what'll give him "a bump in the polls." and i have to give it to mccain. brilliant choice. it's scary hell as this woman inching close to being the most powerful person in the world, shows that winning is put above all in this game, but that's reality. winning is the goal and mccain (or whoever made the decision) is at the top of his game
soul creator
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fox news text
"mother of 5
married to snowmobile champ"
"mother of 5
married to snowmobile champ"
AndresON777
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RubxQub said:
LMAO, you had me worried for a second there
The Librarian
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Chuck Todd speaks the truth again!scorcho said:
BenjaminBirdie
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That Cafferty clip really is a must see.
This is AMERICA'S REACTION.
COLOSSAL FUCKING FAILURE.
This is AMERICA'S REACTION.
COLOSSAL FUCKING FAILURE.
TheGrayGhost
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jillytot said:
I'm trying to look. It happened like 15mins ago.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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BenjaminBirdie said:
No, that is the reaction of a curmudgeon.
http://news.yahoo.com/story//politico/20080829/pl_politico/12988
this plays right into Obama's speech the other night - do voters feel McCain's judgment is right for this country? the more i read about this pick the more i end up scratching my head. McCain calls Obama's 'inexperience' circumspect, but is willing to hand the #2 position to a person he's barely spoken to?
BenjaminBirdie
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Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
Oh really?
:lol :lol
This MUST be fucking trasncribed. From Cafferty's emails:
SEGA SAMMY
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She could energize indy votes:
1) On Energy and Gas issues like domestic oil.
2) People who will vote because she is a woman, yes they exsist (read the Hillary boards to see the switchers!)
3) People who don't want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and who don't want to pay higher taxes (I got back a couple of thousand in Tax rebates from Bush tax cuts and i'm poor as dirt.)
4) "Reformers and change advocates" (With Biden's selection and the polling numbers of the democratically controlled congress at record lows)
5) Working blue collar labor and small town dwellers (Dems keep dissing the small towns)
6) Soccer and working moms (Abortion is only the deciding voting issue to 3% of voting women, economy is number one issue)
1) On Energy and Gas issues like domestic oil.
2) People who will vote because she is a woman, yes they exsist (read the Hillary boards to see the switchers!)
3) People who don't want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and who don't want to pay higher taxes (I got back a couple of thousand in Tax rebates from Bush tax cuts and i'm poor as dirt.)
4) "Reformers and change advocates" (With Biden's selection and the polling numbers of the democratically controlled congress at record lows)
5) Working blue collar labor and small town dwellers (Dems keep dissing the small towns)
6) Soccer and working moms (Abortion is only the deciding voting issue to 3% of voting women, economy is number one issue)
theviolenthero
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scorcho said:
soul creator
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SEGA SAMMY said:
you make $250,000+ ?
congrats
TheGrayGhost
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Damn, Campbell Brown! Finally! FUCKIN finally!
Justin Bailey
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Apparently he had only talked to her twice:theviolenthero said:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/08/vp_who.php
theviolenthero
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AniHawk said:
U'm, i'm assuming your joking.
EDIT: I guess you weren't joking......wow!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/andrea-mitchell-john-mcca_n_122517.html
How can you pick someone to be the 2nd most powerful person in the world when you've only met them once?
Captain Pants
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jillytot said:
For real!? :lol
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