SolidsnackooFoxhound
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It wasn't /v/ that hacked him. Lets be real though. When you say Japanese games are shit and then you try to viral your video game on /v/ which is in love with anime culture you're just asking to be hated.
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Polytron Hacked?
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It wasn't /v/ that hacked him. Lets be real though. When you say Japanese games are shit and then you try to viral your video game on /v/ which is in love with anime culture you're just asking to be hated.
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
Has anyone blamed Anita Sarkeesian for this yet?
Yeah, Fish is an asshole (IMO) and I'd never buy his stuff out of principal, but this is.. too much. Even with him saying gamers are all shitty people, the burning building remark, and all that other stuff he just comes across as a dude with a severe lack of empathy, not someone who's entire life needs burned to the ground because he's rude on the internet.
BertleTheTurtle
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But Zoe does have two-factor and they "got in her dropbox."
So what if they are? People are capable of disliking someone while not wishing ill upon them. 'Certain members' of this forum think he's a jackass or a hack, but they do not condone privacy breaches or physical violence upon him. Why is that so weird?
I've never posted in a Phil Fish thread before this one, I just wanted to point this out.
CaptainBroseph
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I don't believe /v/ did it, my mistake if I was unclear. Phil has been a big target for a while now, this was probably just the flashiest moment for whoever did it.
Cookie Dough
Member
To who? I'm fairly sure we're capable of self-reflection as a wider community. I mentioned no 'fictitious people'.
Even if no one outside the community cares, and I never suggested they do, recent events still make the gaming community online look pathetic. Sorry but it just does.
Dragonborn
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Question is, is that true?
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Who are the 7+?
As far as I can gather, if it were any random person sleeping with any random person, this would not have gotten past personal Facebook drama. People latched onto this story because it was a developer and a Kotaku contributor, and despite the innocuous relationship, gaming sites have certainly have not had a clean slate of issues regarding integrity and questionable relationships with the people they review and report about in the past decade. The whole escalation of this being represented as a kind of social justice issue only attracted more people. This whole situation got dragged for too long and with too much drama by the respective parties involved.
I've been cheated on a few times. Every time, it was a learning experience and I grew from it. Sometimes it was because of me, sometimes it was just because I was with a lousy girl.
At no point did I ever go on a crusade to shame them on the internet, no matter how upset I was. I never so much as wrote them a nasty letter. The ones I hate are simply not in my life anymore. Hell, the first fairly long-term girlfriend I had cheated on me before dumping me a month later, and we're actually on good terms now.
All of that shit with Zoe Quinn is none of our business, and the guy who felt the need to write a goddamned novel just because his dick game was weak is a fucking child.
Oh yes. More than a few people.
I think so. I remember because there was a thread here and half the people in it got really really mad for some reason and started plotting revenge/spite Get Well cards in retaliation
These situations aren't the same, at all.
She's blamed for teaching Zoe how to fake hacks to make the money, and then Zoe teaching Phil how to do it, so indirectly yes.
The only one I can think of right off the top of my head is Dyack.
Edit: Misread original quote, thought it was careers overall, not just these Quinnspiracy and FishGate sagas.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
How so?
Those journalists may very well be done, so 5 there, Phil Fish, potentially Zoe if this goes much further, and potentially Polytron as a whole. Sessler's out already, but if he wasn't he sure would be now. Shame, I like Sessler, think he gets a lot of undue crap.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
That's a completly different situation though. Polytron wasn't proving a service for paying customers, the PSN hack affected people's life (to say it in a really melodramatic way). Also, I doubt Sony would sue Phil Fish, it would make them look like monsters and Indie Devs would start running away from them as fast as they can.
So even if they COULD sue him, there is no way they will.
There was only one Journalist involved as far as I know.
dark_inferno
Member
Did anyone buy it
Best thing that could happen : Valve,Devolver or Double Fine bought Polytron and FEZ.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
And he is gone :'(
they don't have a manifesto or charter or some kind of joining requirements or something. They're just people who post on an internet messageboard. they're not a gang or something. At this point it's like claiming to be from facebook or reddit. Great. Tells you nothing.
I'd like it if Cliff's new studio did. Key Boss? Boss Key? Somethin' like that. Cliff's got a hell of a talent for design, IMO.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Off topic but being cheated on isn't your fault.
For anyone who was denying that this topic was important before the Phil Fish hackings, just think about how many people's careers will be destroyed by the time the dust settles.
I have been intently following everything that's been going on over the past few days for this reason alone. Even when the "news" just broke, the first thing that popped into my head was: "Holy shit, imagine the aftermath." Like this issue is so polarizing that careers will rise and fall everywhere because of it. IMO it was only a matter of time before something big happened like the Phil Fish hacking.
I have been intently following everything that's been going on over the past few days for this reason alone. Even when the "news" just broke, the first thing that popped into my head was: "Holy shit, imagine the aftermath." Like this issue is so polarizing that careers will rise and fall everywhere because of it. IMO it was only a matter of time before something big happened like the Phil Fish hacking.
I thought part of this whole thing was she slept with 5 journalists to get "coverage" for the free flash game? I'm, truthfully, not tracking this because I'd rather not get invested. Apologies if I'm mistaken.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Honest question: When people say "/v/ did or didn't do it" do you mean the person who hacked Fish is a member of /v/ or do you mean it was a collaborative effort?
Nope, just one of those five guys was a journalist and he didn't even report on her game in any meaningful way.
Nope, just one of those five guys was a journalist and he didn't even report on her game in any meaningful way.
dark_inferno
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Nothing against Cliff but im not sure if he is the right guy for a game like FEZ. But whoever buys Polytron and Fez should also get Fish on board.
A Fez game without Fish is not Fez.
Victim blaming. Classy.
Wow. Just wow. I think the funniest part of that is that if you actually read the post made by the ex-boyfriend, an important aspect of it was that Zoe was apparently making him feel like the victim the whole time. Irony.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Make a few rude comments on internet and so many people show up in every instance your name is even hinted at to call you out on it. Often using fouler language and or behaviour. Somehow this is justified. I wish that people would just learn to behave. Nothing Phil did warrants that people enter threads just to call him a dick or gets this kind of treatment.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Wait, did I go through the topic too fast? No customer data has been leaked?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
It would be pretty hilarious if Fish sold the Fez IP only to get hired by the guys who bought it to make Fez 2.
In this case here? At least I don't know about it, I might be mistaken but this is the first time I've heard anything about customer data.
And the people that try to destroy the people you listed will not be changed by discussion or discourse, at all.
I think that's the sad reality in all of this. In the digital age, if someone wants to be huge asshole, they can. Other assholes join in, and the rest is history. You're not going to sway the troll or Videogame Justice Warrior. Surprisingly the best way to kill those weeds is to censor the people not fit for discussion, but then that puts reasonable people on edge, thinking they will be next to be censored.
Its still very early in the digital and internet timeline. This problem won't be solved by simple discussion.
The hundreds of people who did that stuff and the unknown number of people who did this may or may not overlap. There maybe one person common to the whole thing or all of them. No one can know.
/v is just a place people visit. Its got its lurkers, common posters, drive by posters and trolls too. And they're all anonymous
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The Everyman
yup
CaptainBroseph
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When I say I don't think /v/ did it, I don't think it was a planned group effort. Even if they were part of /v/, there are people who absolutely hate the ongoing discussion. They could have done it just to spite the rest of /v/.
Yeah was kinda thinking Double Fine for some reason. I hope Kojima got it.
Victim blaming? Oh man.
And deliberately strawmanning is even more childish, so I guess you lose.
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