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Artemisia

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If it was Lady Gaga's idea to use that sample in JLo's track then she is part of the production process and is required to receive a credit. That's how it works.
 
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Dr. Malik

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Last week the new issue of American GQ came out and it neatly encapsulated where western feminism is today. Inside, Knowles gives an interview that will probably be studied by future generations for lessons in both the loopiness of the 21st-century celebrity world and how hilariously far American magazine interviews have fallen since the days of, say, Gay Talese and Lillian Ross
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Knowles is right: it is ridiculous that American women earn 77 cents to every dollar earned by men. This is almost as ridiculous as, say, a self-professedly powerful female celebrity ("I'm more powerful than my mind can even digest," announces Knowles) complaining about men defining sexiness in a men's magazine in which she poses nearly naked in seven photos, including one on the cover in which she is wearing a pair of tiny knickers and a man's shirt so cropped that her breasts are visible. These photos, incidentally, were taken by the bafflingly successful American photographer, Terry Richardson, a man with a penchant for highly sexualised photos of women and who has been repeatedly accused of sexual exploitation and misconduct by young female models, which Richardson has denied.
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To complain about the sexualisation of women in men's magazines may seem like complaining about the weather.
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It's one thing to submit to this attention-seeking nonsense if you're a C-list reality TV desperado trying to get on the cover of Nuts; it's another if you are professedly one of the most powerful women in the entertainment business who has no need of such tactics. Knowles rightly hates the fact that women are humiliated by being paid less than their male counterparts. But they are similarly humiliated by being fed the message that it doesn't matter how successful, powerful or smart you are – all that matters is how sexually available you are willing to make yourself look.
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that's the deal these days, apparently, in which famous women can sing about "independence" and "girl power", as long as they're wearing next to nothing.
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"Suit and Tie (feat. Jay-Z)" enters the Hot 100 at #84 today, based solely off of airplay. Expect him to climb significantly up the charts once his first week sales are counted in next weeks numbers.

The King is back

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royalan

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DMeisterJ said:
"Suit and Tie (feat. Jay-Z)" enters the Hot 100 at #84 today, based solely off of airplay. Expect him to climb significantly up the charts once his first week sales are counted in next weeks numbers.

The King is back

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I dunno, I'm still expecting an eventual fall.

Justin's comeback was highly anticipated, so he really could have put out anything and gotten a reception like this. But I don't think song is good enough to really go on and smash in its own right. We'll see though...



Mariana: Did they lie tho? I agree with every word. Every fuckin word.
 
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Artemisia

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Beyoncé: being photographed in your underwear doesn't help feminism

Next month marks the 50th anniversary of The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan's hugely influential study that helped to spark that pervasive second wave of feminism that – for all its faults and stuttering incompleteness – shaped the western world as most of us know it today.

As a book it was – as Friedan was herself – a flawed advocate of women's rights: Friedan had little apparent interest in women who were anything other than white and upper middle-class. Her homophobia became an embarrassment to the women's movement. Her egotistical paranoia about being ousted as the face of the women's movement was captured with wince-inducing brilliance by Nora Ephron in her 1972 essay, Miami.

The feminist movement never did and never will run smoothly. But Friedan's book, as Stephanie Coontz writes in her recent book, A Strange Stirring, rescued "a generation of intelligent women, sidelined from the world". Whatever its flaws, the publication of The Feminine Mystique remains as much of a landmark in the history of feminism as Emily Davison's death 50 years earlier at the 1913 Epsom Derby.

And so, 50 years on from Friedan, it pleases me to announce that we have a new face to the modern-day feminist movement. That face belongs to none other than Beyoncé Knowles.

Last week the new issue of American GQ came out and it neatly encapsulated where western feminism is today. Inside, Knowles gives an interview that will probably be studied by future generations for lessons in both the loopiness of the 21st-century celebrity world and how hilariously far American magazine interviews have fallen since the days of, say, Gay Talese and Lillian Ross. In this typical piece of puffery, Knowles shows off her "temperature-controlled digital storage facility that contains virtually every photo of her", including one video diary entry in which she informs herself that she is going to listen to one of her own songs before having sex with her husband, which is one way to get in the mood, I guess.

But there is, the GQ journalist assures the reader, more to Knowles than raging narcissism – she is a powerful woman with a defiant feminist streak. "Equality is a myth, and for some reason everyone accepts that women don't make as much money as men do," she rails. "I truly believe that women should be financially independent from their men. And let's face it, money gives men the power to run the show. It gives men the power to define value. They define what's sexy. And men define what's feminine. It's ridiculous."

Knowles is right: it is ridiculous that American women earn 77 cents to every dollar earned by men. This is almost as ridiculous as, say, a self-professedly powerful female celebrity ("I'm more powerful than my mind can even digest," announces Knowles) complaining about men defining sexiness in a men's magazine in which she poses nearly naked in seven photos, including one on the cover in which she is wearing a pair of tiny knickers and a man's shirt so cropped that her breasts are visible. These photos, incidentally, were taken by the bafflingly successful American photographer, Terry Richardson, a man with a penchant for highly sexualised photos of women and who has been repeatedly accused of sexual exploitation and misconduct by young female models, which Richardson has denied.

To complain about the sexualisation of women in men's magazines may seem like complaining about the weather. But as Knowles rightly says in relation to the pay gap, the status quo should not just be shruggingly accepted if it is wrong. I never fail to be amazed at the high profile, often A-list women who celebrate their professional success by posing near naked on the covers of allegedly classy men's magazines, such as Esquire and GQ, and these covers are, to my eyes, becoming increasingly close to porn. In the past four months alone we've had Cameron Diaz bending over in a pair of mesh pants; topless Mila Kunis in leather trousers (while inside she writhes naked on a bed); Rihanna naked save for a mini leather jacket; Lana Del Rey also naked except for some jewellery (that was on GQ's October issue, which had four alternative covers that all featured men. All of these men, funnily enough, were clothed).

It's one thing to submit to this attention-seeking nonsense if you're a C-list reality TV desperado trying to get on the cover of Nuts; it's another if you are professedly one of the most powerful women in the entertainment business who has no need of such tactics. Knowles rightly hates the fact that women are humiliated by being paid less than their male counterparts. But they are similarly humiliated by being fed the message that it doesn't matter how successful, powerful or smart you are – all that matters is how sexually available you are willing to make yourself look.

I should feel happy, I guess, that Knowles is even willing to speak up about equality considering how notoriously few young women in the public eye are willing to identify themselves as feminists. That her Dworkin-ish call to arms comes served up with photos of Knowles jumping on a bed in a bikini, well, that's the deal these days, apparently, in which famous women can sing about "independence" and "girl power", as long as they're wearing next to nothing. As I said, the feminist movement never did run smoothly. But half a century on from Friedan, it should be running better than this.
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Pressed that Bey is just using the system for her own gain. She controls her image, she controls her perception. Ain't nothing a random blogger or forum poster can do about it.
 
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royalan

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Supermanisdead said:
Pressed that Bey is just using the system for her own gain. She controls her image, she controls her perception. Ain't nothing a random blogger or forum poster can do about it.
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I never understand this. Beyonce is already worth hundreds of millions of dollars. At what point does her "gaining" and "getting money" stop being an excuse for being such a hypocritical cretin and poison to society? Especially when, by her own admission, she wants to be more than that?

I get that she's not the first female celebrity to pose like a slut on the cover of a men's magazine. But I'd say at this point that no other female celebrity gets away with being so trashy while being held up as anything but.

It's time to just call a spade a spade: Beyonce is skanky.
 
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For the same reason that any musician does endorsements, covers, deals etc. This is her job. Posing for a magazine cover doesn't make her a bimbo, nor would starting a ~brave foundation~ make her a saint. She is a businesswoman, performing the character of Beyoncé.
 
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royalan

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Supermanisdead said:
For the same reason that any musician does endorsements, covers, deals etc. This is her job. Posing for a magazine cover doesn't make her a bimbo, nor would starting a ~brave foundation~ make her a saint. She is a businesswoman, performing the character of Beyoncé.
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Because successful female celebrities have to play the harlot to be successful? What kind of message is that.

I'm not against fierce women posing, but there are just too many mixed messages with this Beyonce freakshow.

One minute she's participating in the FLOTUS' campaign to end childhood obesity, the next she's peddling carbonated sugar water for Pepsi Co.

One minute she's talking to Larry King about embracing being a role model for young girls, the next she's artificially lightening her skin for "crossover appeal" and literally posing with her breasts hanging out for men's magazines and singing about getting fucked on camera.

She's not a "businesswoman" she's a goddamn hypocrite and people need to stop giving her a pass because she's "Beyoncé"....whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
 
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royalan said:
Because successful female celebrities have to play the harlot to be successful? What kind of message is that.

I'm not against fierce women posing, but there are just too many mixed messages with this Beyonce freakshow.

One minute she's participating in the FLOTUS' campaign to end childhood obesity, the next she's peddling carbonated sugar water for Pepsi Co.

One minute she's talking to Larry King about embracing being a role model for young girls, the next she's artificially lightening her skin for "crossover appeal" and literally posing with her breasts hanging out for men's magazines and singing about getting fucked on camera.

She's not a "businesswoman" she's a goddamn hypocrite and people need to stop giving her a pass because she's "Beyoncé"....whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
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No, that's exactly a businesswoman. Market tactics. You seem to have an issue with Bey exploiting these revenue streams, instead of grumpily sitting back and spewing empowerment catchphrases for cute foundations. Aint nothing hypocritical about making money.

This is the Beyoncé show, we are just along for the ride. ~ Make the money, don't let the money make you ~
 
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royalan

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Supermanisdead said:
No, that's exactly a businesswoman. Market tactics. You seem to have an issue with Bey exploiting these revenue streams, instead of grumpily sitting back and spewing empowerment catchphrases for cute foundations. Aint nothing hypocritical about making money.

This is the Beyoncé show, we are just along for the ride. ~ Make the money, don't let the money make you ~
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Yes there is. If you compromise your message and who you "claim" to be in order to make that money, then you are the very definition of a hypocrite. It's even worse for someone like Befraudce because she's not in the position of needing that money. She's incredibly wealthy in her own right, even more so when you factor in who she's married to. She's not someone coming out of the hood and desperate for a break. She's in the position where she could afford to stand by what she claims her beliefs are and still be one of the richest female celebs in the world, and still be in the position to grow her wealth. But she chooses not to all for the sake of putting her bleached ass in front of the nearest man with a DSLR.
 
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Artemisia said:
if Beyoncé abandons her message for money, money she doesn't need, how is that not hypocritical?
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Do you understand business. She was a spokesmodel for Michelle Obama's campaign in a mutually beneficial project. If you think she casually hangs out with Michelle, bemoaning the lack of celery sticks in school lunches, you are mistaken. Bey was star power and Michelle's anti-obesity campaign was a mature cause to link herself to. Now she has Pepsi and the Superbowl.

If people want to cherrypick certain periods of her career to blast her, or limit her to "hussy" vs "role-model," go right ahead. I don't look to entertainment world for role models, and neither should anyone else. Everyone is a product and everyone is being sold. Whether or not they are selling themselves like Bey, Gaga and Lana, or are coming off a production line like One Direction is the difference.
 
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Pupi18 said:
I decided to actually listen the music instead of judging her by the gifs (Wanna see the video from the gifs that get repeated around here btw) I like what she does. Its nothing grounbreaking but its enjoyable.
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Yes stan. She's obviously not some amazing artist with incredible talent but she delivers bop and fucking bop.

Her new album is set to drop in the Spring, here's a preview:

http://youtu.be/rpSzjsHGRfs
 
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Vazra

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Supermanisdead said:
No, that's exactly a businesswoman. Market tactics. You seem to have an issue with Bey exploiting these revenue streams, instead of grumpily sitting back and spewing empowerment catchphrases for cute foundations. Aint nothing hypocritical about making money.

This is the Beyoncé show, we are just along for the ride. ~ Make the money, don't let the money make you ~
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There is nothing wrong with making money as long as it doesn't get in the middle of what you are promoting or leading people to believe your cause is. It is hypocritical to do the contrary than you are trying to portray. If she actually explained her motives for doing what is doing I'll probably wouldnt be doing this. Because she might be a business woman but those decisions don't make her seem smart enough. I love Beyoncé as much as the next guy but there are things that don't quite click well.

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Yes stan. She's obviously not some amazing artist with incredible talent but she delivers bop and fucking bop.

Her new album is set to drop in the Spring, here's a preview:

http://youtu.be/rpSzjsHGRfs
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She reminds me of someone that I'm trying hard to remember the name. Was on MTV and disappeared quickly tho so that explains why I forget her name. Inna does better songs than that artist which from what I notice.
 
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royalan

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Supermanisdead said:
Do you understand business. She was a spokesmodel for Michelle Obama's campaign in a mutually beneficial project. If you think she casually hangs out with Michelle, bemoaning the lack of celery sticks in school lunches, you are mistaken. Bey was star power and Michelle's anti-obesity campaign was a mature cause to link herself to. Now she has Pepsi and the Superbowl.

If people want to cherrypick certain periods of her career to blast her, or limit her to "hussy" vs "role-model," go right ahead. I don't look to entertainment world for role models, and neither should anyone else. Everyone is a product and everyone is being sold. Whether or not they are selling themselves like Bey, Gaga and Lana, or are coming off a production line like One Direction is the difference.
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And that's a healthy mindset. Really nobody should be looking to celebs as role models unless you're trying to learn how to properly tooche your ass for the camera.

The problem I have is when Beyonce acts like a right ol' skank and then attempts to promote herself as a proper role model. It's even worse when people embrace that, because it sends the message that what she's doing should be the blueprint when really she's a mess and a fraud and a fucking sham.

After watching a music video of Beyonce writhing around and moaning like an arthritic cat in heat, I don't want to then check my news feed and read our President saying dumbass shit like this:

"Beyoncé could not be a better role model for my girls because she carries herself with such class and poise and has so much talent,"
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Supermanisdead

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royalan said:
Yes there is. If you compromise your message and who you "claim" to be in order to make that money, then you are the very definition of a hypocrite. It's even worse for someone like Befraudce because she's not in the position of needing that money. She's incredibly wealthy in her own right, even more so when you factor in who she's married to. She's not someone coming out of the hood and desperate for a break. She's in the position where she could afford to stand by what she claims her beliefs are and still be one of the richest female celebs in the world, and still be in the position to grow her wealth. But she chooses not to all for the sake of putting her bleached ass in front of the nearest man with a DSLR.
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There is nothing wrong with making money as long as it doesn't get in the middle of what you are promoting or leading people to believe your cause is. It is hypocritical to do the contrary than you are trying to portray. If she actually explained her motives for doing what is doing I'll probably wouldnt be doing this. Because she might be a business woman but those decisions don't make her seem smart enough. I love Beyoncé as much as the next guy but there are things that don't quite click well.
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She can afford to leave the game entirely. She can afford to move to Bahamas and live with Rihanna's grandmother. She can afford a lot of shit.

But she doesn't want to do that. She wants to pose for GQ and shill Pepsi to the masses. And who is anyone to tell her what she can and can't do? Call her a hypocrite, she will put out her music and do whatever the fuck she wants. You and 4 other angry bloggers are seething over her 2 year old Larry King interview, aka her promotional media circuit. She was never a role-model. She is and has always been a spokesperson for her own brand and rolemodel is just another buzzword. If she can fool Obama, more power to her.

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And that's a healthy mindset. Really nobody should be looking to celebs as role models unless you're trying to learn how to properly tooche your ass for the camera.

The problem I have is when Beyonce acts like a right ol' skank and then attempts to promote herself as a proper role model. It's even worse when people embrace that, because it sends the message that what she's doing should be the blueprint when really she's a mess and a fraud and a fucking sham.

After watching a music video of Beyonce writhing around and moaning like an arthritic cat in heat, I don't want to then check my news feed and read our President saying dumbass shit like this:



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We're agreeing here. Bey ain't a role model. Obama can stay fooled like the rest of America. That's the power of branding.
 
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Wtf, Bey is making money off her looks. What's the problem?

Don't act like we're under sharia law or something. Men are posing in their underwear all the time. Why should it be wrong for a woman to do the same?

Bey posing in her lingerie doesn't mean shit. It's just a woman that's confident with her looks. Now that's sexy.
 
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Supermanisdead said:
She can afford to leave the game entirely. She can afford to move to Bahamas and live with Rihanna's grandmother. She can afford a lot of shit.

But she doesn't want to do that. She wants to pose for GQ and shill Pepsi to the masses. And who is anyone to tell her what she can and can't do? Call her a hypocrite, she will put out her music and do whatever the fuck she wants. You and 4 other angry bloggers are seething over her 2 year old Larry King interview, aka her promotional media circuit. She was never a role-model. She is and has always been a spokesperson for her own brand and rolemodel is just another buzzword. If she can fool Obama, more power to her.



We're agreeing here. Bey ain't a role model. Obama can stay fooled like the rest of America. That's the power of branding.
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I aint even mad at what Beyoncé its doing just saying it seems wrong in terms of perspective. As long as she gives me bops she is serving the only purpose that matters to me. She can sell tacos and burgers with no clothes on for all I care, but she somewhat has been contradicting herself at times and I pointed that out.
 
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royalan

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Wtf, Bey is making money off her looks. What's the problem?

Don't act like we're under sharia law or something. Men are posing in their underwear all the time. Why should it be wrong for a woman to do the same?

Bey posing in her lingerie doesn't mean shit. It's just a woman that's confident with her looks. Now that's sexy.
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It's not wrong for women to do the same. Don't forget, I stan for the Queen of Dirty.

But Beyonce's trying to have her cake and eat it, too. There's a difference.
 
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