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[Yamauchi]

As a disgraced resident of Oklahoma, I suggest the Australian government issue a travel advisory urging all Australian citizens to restict any unneccessary travel to the state of Oklahoma. Living here should certainly be out of the question, as well.

 

[Kenshin001]

So we should kill them for your own vengeance? For the sake of a brutally murdered man who came from a country that outlawed the death penalty decades ago because we realised that vengeance isn't justice? What they did is fucked up but frying them in a chair isn't right either.

They should be executed for a number of reasons. Vengeance is one. They've possibly destroyed other lives and definitely caused irreparable hurt and grief. They've pretty much forfeited their lives anyway and demonstrated a callousness and cruelty not compatible with society. I think Australia was wrong to abolish the death penalty. The Anita Cobby killing made up my mind on that.

You have lots of natural impulses that are incompatible with living in a civilized society. Vengeance may have been useful when we lived in tribes and hurled rocks at each other, but it is rather pointless and petty if you stop to think about it. There's a really great part in a book I just read, No Country For Old Men, about this:

Vengeance is only pointless and petty to those who have never been raped or had their kid abducted and strangled or been bashed unconscious by some idiot, basically those who live a safe, sheltered life and only experience the horror of being a victim vicariously through books or TV.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

max penalty for all 3

 

[IISANDERII]

Vengeance is only pointless and petty to those who have never been raped or had their kid abducted and strangled or been bashed unconscious by some idiot, basically those who live a safe, sheltered life and only experience the horror of being a victim vicariously through books or TV.

Vengeance is even less than pointless. It is destructive for all involved, no matter what savage emotions tell you.

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

 

[CornBurrito]

Press terrorism charges and send their asses to Guantanamo Bay. Let them wish they were never born.

Torture does literally nothing here. The death penalty would remove the threat from society, permanently. Torture does not bring the baseballer back, and only serves to slake your bloodlust. It isn't "justice" at all.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Vengeance is only pointless and petty to those who have never been raped or had their kid abducted and strangled or been bashed unconscious by some idiot, basically those who live a safe, sheltered life and only experience the horror of being a victim vicariously through books or TV.

Petty is my opinion but it is objectively pointless and sorry, you don't get to play the victim card with me brah. I am not swayed from beliefs by clumsy calls to emotion.

 

[verbum]

What a bad thing to happen. The only barely positive thing I can think is perhaps his death was the cause of those kids being taken off the street and preventing some other innocents from being killed.

 

[No Love]

Jesus, what a bunch of psychotic fuckers. Wanna-be gangbanger 16 year olds in Oklahoma. Just fucking execute them, they can make a name for themselves on death row.

 

[Glasshole]

If they can be rehabilitated they should be. There is no forgiving this, but the kids were probably dealt a shitty hand.

If not lock them up forever.

There are typically 2 sorts of factions after such an incident. Those that feel sorry for the victim, and those that feel sorry for the criminal. A lot of times, your way would be the right thing to do. But these 'kids' have done something so horribly wrong that they've lost their innocence at once, all of it. It's not something that 'just happened' - they were fully aware of the consequences and did it anyway.

So we should kill them for your own vengeance? For the sake of a brutally murdered man who came from a country that outlawed the death penalty decades ago because we realised that vengeance isn't justice? What they did is fucked up but frying them in a chair isn't right either.

No vengeance - prevention. If these guys ever set a foot out of prison again, they will ruin lives again without a trace of doubt. Either look them up forever or fry them, either way is right to me and there's not much of a difference to them either. But don't reward them with rehabilitation. The risk is too high.

You have lots of natural impulses that are incompatible with living in a civilized society. Vengeance may have been useful when we lived in tribes and hurled rocks at each other, but it is rather pointless and petty if you stop to think about it. There's a really great part in a book I just read, No Country For Old Men, about this:

I do understand that defending criminals is edgy, and always has been. You'd always find a bunch of self-declared intellectuals protesting the conviction of some serial killer in front of the court house, today as well as back in the days.

The principle is very simple: You're the white knight in shining armour carrying ideology, I'm the crook demanding to carry the hard cold truth. You will always win against me, because forgiveness and rehabilitation sounds so much more humane than punishment. But in the end, when the convict you fought for takes another human being's life after he's out again, it's you who has blood on your hands. That will be your reward.

 

[Takuan]

There's no rehabilitating the sort of mind that agrees to killing someone just to make headlines. These kids simply do not belong in society. I'm for locking them up provided they never get out. I'd rather they were put to death, honestly.

 

[clearacell]

And now people from abroad are paying the price too.



If they can be rehabilitated they should be. There is no forgiving this, but the kids were probably dealt a shitty hand. What on earth possessed them to shoot this guy?

If not lock them up forever.

The thing about this is that it was completely senseless and they took away someone else's right to exist...and to "rehabilitate" them means you're going to give them an option to do better than the person who's life they ended. They ended a promising life, sending them out back into the world is pissing on that mans grave.

This was murder at its most cold blooded. These young men don't deserve better.

 

[chickdigger802]

screw death penalty... accidentally put these guys on a boat to australia.

 

[Falcs]

screw death penalty... accidentally put these guys on a boat to australia.

Hey! Living down here is not THAT bad...

Spoiler

 

[Prophet Steve]

Why on earth would you want to rehabilitate them? Just remove them from the face of the earth.

I don't get why you would not want someone to be rehabilitated.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Where are the parents in all this?

 

[JdFoX187]

I live less than 30 minutes from there and had he displeasure of covering this for our paper. Truly a sad day. The poor kid had everything going for him, until these three little shits decided they wanted to be "badasses."

 

[Falcs]

I don't get why you would not want someone to be rehabilitated.

I do. Because they're scum and they're not worth the time, money or effort it takes for rehabilitation. They don't deserve a chance to live in society like normal people.

 

[OldKentuckyShark]

That has to be one of the stupidest reasons I've ever heard for killing someone.

 

[jmdajr]

'We were bored and didn't have anything
to do, so we decided to kill somebody'

this is just so fuked

 

[chickdigger802]

Hey! Living down here is not THAT bad...

Spoiler

i know. but not for people known for killing your people 'for cred'.

would probably be worse than prison.

 

[Van Owen]

Pic of the murderers released.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/police_australian_player_killed_J8hM1jhw9Us1DltFFWCGQM

 

[slit]

To all those screaming for the death penalty. Since they're under 18 they can't be executed anyway so you might as well move on to a different punishment.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

To all those screaming for the death penalty. Since they're under 18 they can't be executed anyway so you might as well move on to a different punishment.

the kid that pulled the trigger will probably get life and the other 2 will plea and get off soft.

such bullshit.

 

[shanshan310]

Uh, don't give them fame. They don't deserve that.

There are typically 2 sorts of factions after such an incident. Those that feel sorry for the victim, and those that feel sorry for the criminal. A lot of times, your way would be the right thing to do. But these 'kids' have done something so horribly wrong that they've lost their innocence at once, all of it. It's not something that 'just happened' - they were fully aware of the consequences and did it anyway.



No vengeance - prevention. If these guys ever set a foot out of prison again, they will ruin lives again without a trace of doubt. Either look them up forever or fry them, either way is right to me and there's not much of a difference to them either. But don't reward them with rehabilitation. The risk is too high.



I do understand that defending criminals is edgy, and always has been. You'd always find a bunch of self-declared intellectuals protesting the conviction of some serial killer in front of the court house, today as well as back in the days.

The principle is very simple: You're the white knight in shining armour carrying ideology, I'm the crook demanding to carry the hard cold truth. You will always win against me, because forgiveness and rehabilitation sounds so much more humane than punishment. But in the end, when the convict you fought for takes another human being's life after he's out again, it's you who has blood on your hands. That will be your reward.

Way to make some incredible assumptions. I don't feel sorry for those fucking kids. I just don't think meeting violence with more violence is the right way to go about it. This kind of hyper violent culture is what killed this man in the first place.

They should be executed for a number of reasons. Vengeance is one. They've possibly destroyed other lives and definitely caused irreparable hurt and grief. They've pretty much forfeited their lives anyway and demonstrated a callousness and cruelty not compatible with society. I think Australia was wrong to abolish the death penalty. The Anita Cobby killing made up my mind on that.

Why? I would say that making them rot in jail forever is a far better and more harsh punishment than killing them. It takes years for death sentences to be carried out anyway.

 

[Van Owen]

To all those screaming for the death penalty. Since they're under 18 they can't be executed anyway so you might as well move on to a different punishment.

Even if they're tried as adults?

Why? I would say that making them rot in jail forever is a far better and more harsh punishment than killing them. It takes years for death sentences to be carried out anyway.

Eh, they'll probably just make friends and adjust fairly quickly.

 

[slit]

Even if they're tried as adults?

Yes, the SCOTUS has already ruled on this.

Being tried as an adult would have no bearing.

 

[shanshan310]

Even if they're tried as adults?

How could they be?

Eh, they'll probably just make friends and adjust fairly quickly.

I'm not sure what your trying to say. There's no point in life imprisonment because while they are locked away forever with no future they might make friends?

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Pic of the murderers released.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/police_australian_player_killed_J8hM1jhw9Us1DltFFWCGQM

15,16, and 17? What a terrible choice. Murder a random person for street cred? They're lucky they're minors, but they'll never see the outside of a prison.

 

[Van Owen]

How could they be?



I'm not sure what your trying to say. There's no point in life imprisonment because while they are locked away forever with no future they might make friends?

You don't have to be 18 to be tried as an adult.

And yeah, part of the reason life in prison sucks is because offenders just adjust and lead a relatively happy life playing cards and basketball and shit.

 

[shanshan310]

You don't have to be 18 to be tried as an adult.

Really? Weird.

And yeah, part of the reason life in prison sucks is because offenders just adjust and lead a relatively happy life playing cards and basketball and shit.

Yeah that sure sounds like a happy life to me.

 

[Van Owen]

Yeah that sure sounds like a happy life to me.

There's probably a cultural divide between you and the people doing life in prison.

 

[General Patton]

Vengeance is even less than pointless. It is destructive for all involved, no matter what savage emotions tell you.

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

I've never heard this quote before. But I fucking love it.

On-topic, the best thing that can happen to the three perpetrators is for them to be forgotten. I'd love it if the media refused to name them so they're 'motive' is unfulfilled.

In terms of revenge, it's useless. Worthless. A waste of time. They should be jailed permanently because they are a risk to society, not because we want to torture them. If we want a better world, we must rise above pathetic reactions like capital punishment, torture, or any other type of revenge.

 

[General Patton]

You don't have to be 18 to be tried as an adult.

And yeah, part of the reason life in prison sucks is because offenders just adjust and lead a relatively happy life playing cards and basketball and shit.

That may be the most offensively simplistic generalisation of prison life I've ever read.

 

[Pakkidis]

15,16,17 years old. That really is fucked up. When I was that age my life consisted of waiting for the new legend of zelda game to be released, hanging out with friends and generally trying to do good in school.

 

[7Th]

Then how did they get the weapons?

Gunshow loophole or irresponsible redneck parents.

 

[shanshan310]

There's probably a cultural divide between you and the people doing life in prison.

True enough. I'm starting to feel like there's a pretty big culture divide between myself and a lot of the posters in this thread.

 

[MIMIC]

This story is so sad.

Killing a random person "just because"? I don't even know what to say.

 

[apana]

Just heard about this today, just fucking sad, you can do everything ok but one day someone can just walk up and end your life and unfortunately we have policies that encourage just such a thing happening.

Death penalty is too fucking easy. These fuckers need to be punished. They should cut off their hands, tongue, and dick, knock out their teeth, gouge out their eyes, pour acid in their ears (just enough to make them deaf, not kill them), and then lock them up. See how they enjoy life now.

Yikes man, this doesn't make a situation like this any better. They should be punished in accordance with the law and then we should figure out how to make sure more innocent people aren't killed. Becoming even more barbaric than the individuals who shot this young man won't bring him back or save anyone else.

 

[General Patton]

As a disgraced resident of Oklahoma, I suggest the Australian government issue a travel advisory urging all Australian citizens to restict any unneccessary travel to the state of Oklahoma. Living here should certainly be out of the question, as well.

Funny you should mention that. The politician behind Australia's draconian gun laws from 1995 has come out and said Australians should boycott the US until they get their act together on guns. He said its the only way we can show them how irresponsible they're being. He had a few choice words for the NRA too.

 

[Sayter]

Pic of the murderers released.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/police_australian_player_killed_J8hM1jhw9Us1DltFFWCGQM

That kinda looks like a NWA album cover. I'm sure prison won't be so boring.

Could you just imagine if they had been white and the kid was from Nigeria? The world would be on fire right now.

 

[teekun]

That kinda looks like a NWA album cover. I'm sure prison won't be so boring.

Could you just imagine if they had been white and the kid was from Nigeria? The world would be on fire right now.

Why the fuck are you even making this about race?

 

[antonz]

The 3 of them should be taken out back and dealt with like rabid animals.

 

[Mr. Patch]

Mugshots

 

[TransTrender]

This story is so sad.

Killing a random person "just because"? I don't even know what to say.

"Just because" is a bullshit line. They did it for street cred.

Yikes man, this doesn't make a situation like this any better. They should be punished in accordance with the law and then we should figure out how to make sure more innocent people aren't killed. Becoming even more barbaric than the individuals who shot this young man won't bring him back or save anyone else.

How about a zero tolerance policy on gangs and gang culture?
Probably would have saved about 250 lives in Chicago alone when counting from January 1st to August 11th of this year.
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/

 

[Bodacious]

Why the fuck are you even making this about race?

I thought his comment about the NWA album cover was out of line, but the other half of his comment is a valid point ... if this had been a black victim and three whites charged with the murder, a lot of the discussion happening here and everywhere else WOULD be about race. The only 'evidence' that their choice of victim was 'random' is their own statement. Do we just take that at face value and accept it as unimpeachable?

 

[Triforks]

Throw these sick cunts in prison and let them rot. The guy was just out for a damn jog. The last thing he expected was to be gunned down. Fuck this world.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Pic of the murderers released.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/police_australian_player_killed_J8hM1jhw9Us1DltFFWCGQM

This photo is not accurate afaik

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Just take them outback and take care of business...

 

[teekun]

I thought his comment about the NWA album cover was out of line, but the other half of his comment is a valid point ... if this had been a black victim and three whites charged with the murder, a lot of the discussion happening here and everywhere else WOULD be about race. The only 'evidence' that their choice of victim was 'random' is their own statement. Do we just take that at face value and accept it as unimpeachable?

Nope. It's not a valid point at all. You can sit here all day and come up with what-if situations and imagined reactions to no end. What is the point of discussion a hypothetical racial controversy where there isn't one, though? It's nothing but a derailment that detracts from the tragedy of a promising university student being randomly gunned down for no reason whatsoever.

 

[unknownstranger]

Death penalty is too fucking easy. These fuckers need to be punished. They should cut off their hands, tongue, and dick, knock out their teeth, gouge out their eyes, pour acid in their ears (just enough to make them deaf, not kill them), and then lock them up. See how they enjoy life now.

I'm all for the death penalty but what the fuck at this.