wtf indeed........@ you. He said "and I'll have yours" or something.Ninja Scooter said:some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
:lolNinja Scooter said:some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
Ninja Scooter said:some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
Ninja Scooter said:some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
demon said:wtf indeed........@ you. He said "and I'll have yours" or something.
But yeah, he's gone out with a lot more dignity than Gore did four years ago. It was nice to see him choke up a bit there.
I'm assuming by we you mean you and the rest who voted for kerry.... I mean that is how the sentence reads..belgurdo said:Even when he's down and out, Kerry>>>>>Bush. We are so stupid
Shh, don't confuse him.borghe said:I'm assuming by we you mean you and the rest who voted for kerry.... I mean that is how the sentence reads..
Sal Paradise Jr said:At one point he got choked up when talking about wishing he could hug everyone of us. I seriously thought he was gonna cry.
borghe said:I'm assuming by we you mean you and the rest who voted for kerry.... I mean that is how the sentence reads..
Dan said:I thought it was interesting how lame the applause was when Kerry said that "America always moves forward." That was some of the deadest and most unenthusiastic clapping I've ever heard.
lol..max_cool said:I believe the intent was that we as an entire nation are stupid for voting Bush into office rather than Kerry. There's this thing I learned in school, it's called reading comprehension. It's proven to be very beneficial to me, you should look into it (and by you I mean you specifically).
iyox said:Yeah well he probably gets choked up because believe it or not, he may care for his country. Maybe he felt he could make a difference. I mean what it comes down to in the end is people let fear control them. People went to the polls yesterday not afraid of not having health care, not having a job, but afraid of terrorism. I just hope everyone has their morals and fear in check when the economy continues its sluggish performance. This election defies all logic, but then again so does defeating a group of people's civil liberties, based on an archaic religious "values". I guess i am just in the minority in this country and have to buckle my seat belt as my civil liberties continue to be eroded. I mean what is the point of mainting the right of owning a gun when all your other rights are gone? It's too late, the people have spoken. They want a man who knows what he thinks regardless if it's right or wrong.
max_cool said:I believe the intent was that we as an entire nation are stupid for voting Bush into office rather than Kerry. There's this thing I learned in school, it's called reading comprehension. It's proven to be very beneficial to me, you should look into it (and by you I mean you specifically).
Hey, he thinks he's on a mission from God, and now he doesn't have to worry about reelection! What could POSSIBLY go wrong?Apharmd Battler said:Seriously, no sour grapes, but I just don't know if our president elect has the interest of everyday people in mind.
Iceman said:the democrats have been the master of fear mongering.. remember, "old people, the republicans are going to take away your social security and medicare!!"
NY was stabbed in the heart with its own knife by terrorists and the republicans in power say, "this might happen again if we don't get out to the world and wipe these guys out.. and if Kerry takes the lead he'll drop the ball on this"
The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.
Iceman said:The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.
Iceman said:props still going to kerry..
but c'mon people, he's had his eye on the presidency for decades.. this is a close as he could ever have come without having it handed to him. After all that work.. that would be emotionally draining. Couple that with letting down millions of people who accepted you as their own representative above all others and well that equal a river of tears in my arithmatic book. Don't give me this more patriotic than thou stuff.
re: fear
the democrats have been the master of fear mongering.. remember, "old people, the republicans are going to take away your social security and medicare!!"
The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.
Indeed. I can't imagine what is msut be like spending so long trying desperately to get something and come so very, very close only to fail in the final hours. Don't forget that all the polls by the late afternoon/early evening yesterday showed that Kerry was rocking out too. His hopes were literally crushed in the final hours. It's not like somebody like a Bob Dole or a Michael Dukakis or someone like that where it was pretty clear going in that they probably weren't going to pull this off. This is like the way the Red Sox kept losing for 86 years...just in that very last second when they were on the very cusp of victory. Somebody on one of the channels last night said that Kerry had snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and I don't think there's any other way to put it.Iceman said:props still going to kerry..
but c'mon people, he's had his eye on the presidency for decades.. this is a close as he could ever have come without having it handed to him. After all that work.. that would be emotionally draining. Couple that with letting down millions of people who accepted you as their own representative above all others and well that equal a river of tears in my arithmatic book. Don't give me this more patriotic than thou stuff.
MetatronM said:I know if I were Kerry, I would be depressed as hell and probably wouldn't even get out of my pajamas for the next several days.
I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation, not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody's son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted--or at least, most of the time.
This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers, and the promise of future generations. And fellow Americans--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--I say to you tonight: we have more work to do. More to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits he counted on. More to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.
Don't get me wrong. The people I meet in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice [...]
A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief--I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper--that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America--there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America [...]
In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; the belief in things not seen; the belief that there are better days ahead. I believe we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair. I believe that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us. America!
Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.Diablos said:I have also been thinking... this election sets a terrible example for presidents of the future. This changes the playing field. Bush has the largest popular vote in the history of the United States of America. More than three million people favored Bush over Kerry. This shows that people will expect the same kind of qualities from a president (that are ruining this country) for years to come. Years from now this election will be remembered as a defnining moment of our history. This is a major highlight when people look back on previous decades. MAJOR. It makes me kind of sick.
MetatronM said:Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.
Sal Paradise Jr said:For those not keeping score:
Senate
55 Republicans
44 Democrats
1 Independent
House
230 Republicans
201 Democrats
*flushes checks and balances down the toilet*
Really this subject is derailing the discussion and deserves it's own thread.
Excellent post.KilledByBill said:This election has proven to be a stunning anti-climax. All the talk in the media, newspapers, and on the internet was about how this year would be so unpredictable and different than the last 12 years or so.
But what happened? Almost to the letter all the "Red states" in 2000 were red in '04 and the "Blue states" were just as blue now as 4 years ago.
Kerry gave it his best, especially in the last month and a half or so. He may not have been the "home run" canidate the Democrats needed but I felt proud castng my vote for change this year. I was glad to see a majority of those in New Jersey agreed with my decision.
Bush has 4 years to redeem himself in my eyes, or at least not to make the kinds of mistakes he's made in the past 2 years or so. I guess I just don't see why so many of my fellow Americans thought he deserved another 4 years, I hope history proves that my worries about the man and his administration don't come to pass.
:lol :lolTeh Hamburglar said:At least he came in second place.
MetatronM said:Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.