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akascream

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Great concession speach by John Kerry. And I respect him for not turning this into the kind of petty drama we had 4 years ago. His actions continue to show that, despite his political beliefs, he would have made a good president.
 
some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
 

Tritroid

Member
Agreed. Props to the man (Even if I didn't vote for him).

I thank him for not dragging this out needlessly for days.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Ninja Scooter said:
some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
wtf indeed........@ you. He said "and I'll have yours" or something.

But yeah, he's gone out with a lot more dignity than Gore did four years ago. It was nice to see him choke up a bit there.
 

Tritroid

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!
:lol

Actually, I think he said: "And I've got yours man"
 

open_mouth_

insert_foot_
Ninja Scooter said:
some guy in the audience screamed at him "WE STILL GOT YOUR BACK, JOHN!" and Kerry said back to him "And im gonna love yours, man!" WTF?!?!

:lol

This just in: Kerry embarks on new journey to personally repay each and every one of his voters with sausage.
 
demon said:
wtf indeed........@ you. He said "and I'll have yours" or something.

But yeah, he's gone out with a lot more dignity than Gore did four years ago. It was nice to see him choke up a bit there.

Don't try to distract from the issue. John Kerry loves back. You put an itty bitty waist and a round thing in his face and he gets SPRUNG!
 

Iceman

Member
yeah, I was taken aback there. The media actually had me thinking that both sides would drag it out but in the end cooler heads prevailed. major props to Kerry on the decision. respect +1.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
belgurdo said:
Even when he's down and out, Kerry>>>>>Bush. We are so stupid
I'm assuming by we you mean you and the rest who voted for kerry.... I mean that is how the sentence reads..
 
At one point he got choked up when talking about wishing he could hug everyone of us. I seriously thought he was gonna cry.

First time i've gotten emotional this election.

The closer we came to voting day, the more I realized I like this guy. I disagree with people who say the Dems needed someone with more personality. Like who? A WWE wrestler?

Say what you will about Kerry, but the man had a dignity and respect about him that's lost with most of today's politicians.
 

Phoenix

Member
Sal Paradise Jr said:
At one point he got choked up when talking about wishing he could hug everyone of us. I seriously thought he was gonna cry.

He definitely looked like he wanted to cry for certain. It was a very emotional moment.
 

AntoneM

Member
borghe said:
I'm assuming by we you mean you and the rest who voted for kerry.... I mean that is how the sentence reads..

I believe the intent was that we as an entire nation are stupid for voting Bush into office rather than Kerry. There's this thing I learned in school, it's called reading comprehension. It's proven to be very beneficial to me, you should look into it (and by you I mean you specifically).
 

iyox

Member
Yeah well he probably gets choked up because believe it or not, he may care for his country. Maybe he felt he could make a difference. I mean what it comes down to in the end is people let fear control them. People went to the polls yesterday not afraid of not having health care, not having a job, but afraid of terrorism. I just hope everyone has their morals and fear in check when the economy continues its sluggish performance. This election defies all logic, but then again so does defeating a group of people's civil liberties, based on an archaic religious "values". I guess i am just in the minority in this country and have to buckle my seat belt as my civil liberties continue to be eroded. I mean what is the point of mainting the right of owning a gun when all your other rights are gone? It's too late, the people have spoken. They want a man who knows what he thinks regardless if it's right or wrong.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I thought it was interesting how lame the applause was when Kerry said that "America always moves forward." That was some of the deadest and most unenthusiastic clapping I've ever heard.
 

shoplifter

Member
Dan said:
I thought it was interesting how lame the applause was when Kerry said that "America always moves forward." That was some of the deadest and most unenthusiastic clapping I've ever heard.


I certainly don't feel that's the case right now.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
max_cool said:
I believe the intent was that we as an entire nation are stupid for voting Bush into office rather than Kerry. There's this thing I learned in school, it's called reading comprehension. It's proven to be very beneficial to me, you should look into it (and by you I mean you specifically).
lol..

a) it was a joke
b) there is NOTHING in his post to imply that he meant the US. Even further, by saying we (as opposed to the US) he is implying himself in that statement as well (even if he did mean the US). So no matter WHAT his context, what he actually wrote included him in the statement as well. So he either meant all of the US, including those who voted for kerry, OR he meant only those who voted for kerry. either way his statement AS WRITTEN implies that people who voted for kerry are stupid.

wow, your right reading comprehension is fun. though I have to question how much you benefitted from it.
 
iyox said:
Yeah well he probably gets choked up because believe it or not, he may care for his country. Maybe he felt he could make a difference. I mean what it comes down to in the end is people let fear control them. People went to the polls yesterday not afraid of not having health care, not having a job, but afraid of terrorism. I just hope everyone has their morals and fear in check when the economy continues its sluggish performance. This election defies all logic, but then again so does defeating a group of people's civil liberties, based on an archaic religious "values". I guess i am just in the minority in this country and have to buckle my seat belt as my civil liberties continue to be eroded. I mean what is the point of mainting the right of owning a gun when all your other rights are gone? It's too late, the people have spoken. They want a man who knows what he thinks regardless if it's right or wrong.


Wow, this mirrors a lot of sentiments I've heard today. I live in an extremely 'red' state, and the reds were out today in the halls practically dancing with glee. Even my terrible evil boss is in a good mood, so it's not hard to firgure out her polictical affiliation. I could care less aboutthat stuff, but my biggest fear that with Bush having a both the house and senate, he can roll his true agenda (whatever that may be) with little opposition. The fat ctas will get even bolder, arrogant, and powerful while the common man just get's to go along for the ride. I'm not saying that Bush doesn't have our best interests at heart, but I'm sure there's some things he's been sying to do and now he's in a great position to do it. For the first time in a long time I feel weak and powerless. But the people have spoken and we get another 4 years of Bush. I can ONLY hope this is a good thing. Seriously, no sour grapes, but I just don't know if our president elect has the interest of everyday people in mind.
 

belgurdo

Banned
max_cool said:
I believe the intent was that we as an entire nation are stupid for voting Bush into office rather than Kerry. There's this thing I learned in school, it's called reading comprehension. It's proven to be very beneficial to me, you should look into it (and by you I mean you specifically).

Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't say anything myself because I wanted to see how people would go out of their way to spin it
 

Dilbert

Member
Apharmd Battler said:
Seriously, no sour grapes, but I just don't know if our president elect has the interest of everyday people in mind.
Hey, he thinks he's on a mission from God, and now he doesn't have to worry about reelection! What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
 

Iceman

Member
props still going to kerry..

but c'mon people, he's had his eye on the presidency for decades.. this is a close as he could ever have come without having it handed to him. After all that work.. that would be emotionally draining. Couple that with letting down millions of people who accepted you as their own representative above all others and well that equal a river of tears in my arithmatic book. Don't give me this more patriotic than thou stuff.

re: fear

the democrats have been the master of fear mongering.. remember, "old people, the republicans are going to take away your social security and medicare!!"

NY was stabbed in the heart with its own knife by terrorists and the republicans in power say, "this might happen again if we don't get out to the world and wipe these guys out.. and if Kerry takes the lead he'll drop the ball on this"

The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.
 

Belfast

Member
Yeah +1 Kerry.

If this were a corporation, Bush would've gotten fired for screwing up so bad. This election was seriously just stupid, but whatever. I'll have to get over it and hey, if anything goes wrong, they can't blame it on the dems, since the republicans pretty much control all three branches of government now (or soon).
 

COCKLES

being watched
The rest of the world will laugh when a few weeks before the launch of 2006's big games, Halo 3, Zelda Revolution and GTA Online your draft comes up for Iraq.
 
Iceman said:
the democrats have been the master of fear mongering.. remember, "old people, the republicans are going to take away your social security and medicare!!"

Look at how the Republicans have demonized people like me. People who simply want equal rights.

NY was stabbed in the heart with its own knife by terrorists and the republicans in power say, "this might happen again if we don't get out to the world and wipe these guys out.. and if Kerry takes the lead he'll drop the ball on this"

The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.

Uh, if you read JK's website, you could see some of the ideas they were proposing.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Iceman said:
The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.

Bush is motivated to find and kill terrorists eh?

Osama Bin Laden... get back to me on that one.

BTW on his website it says the actual back and forth went:

Audience member: We still got your back!

Thank you, man. And I assure you – you watch – I'll still have yours.
 

Diablos

Member
Call it petty drama if you want, but if Gore won the election (like he SHOULD HAVE) in 2000, we would not be freting over this today. The country is going to be red for a long, long time. Guliani, McCain or Bush (Jeb) will be elected in 2008, you can count on that. 2012 will be the next big chance for democrats, if they miss that then it will be 2016. I really don't think I'll see a democratic president in the white house until I am at least 30-35, maybe 40 years old. This is a sad day for me and other young democratic voters. Sad for those of us that voted, but really sad for those that DIDN'T and somehow think they still should have the right to complain about Bush's previous, current and future failures in this country. If you hated Bush and you didn't vote for Kerry yesterday, you should be ashamed of yourself. It's too important of an election to not vote just because you don't 100% support Kerry (despite the fact that you hate Bush more.) Nader shouldn't have even been on your mind.

This is also a sad day for America overall. I'm still very happy that my state, Pennsylvania, gave the electoral votes to John Kerry and John Edwards. People can rub in the fact that Bush won all they want... but not here where I live. Thank god. I can't believe how many people are suckered into thinking that we're doing the RIGHT THING. We're burning bridges, making more enemies, wasting our money, and losing jobs. But apparently, one's MORALS are more important than all of these. Society is such a drag sometimes.

Kerry would have been a very good president, not the best, but certainly better than Bush. You realize the war in Iraq will continue for years to come, more soldiers and innocents will die in vain. Should a crisis occur somewhere else in the world, our army is stretched so thin that I cannot imagine how they could handle it alone. They won't get international support; if they do, I have a feeling it is not going to be very large. I simply don't buy the whole "there will never be a draft so long as I am President" statement, I don't buy it at ALL. The draft isn't necessary... just like invading Iraq wasn't necessary in I believe it was February 2002, y'know?

Bush cheated himself into his first term by voter fraud, and he cheated himself into this one by starting a war in Iraq giving him a better chance of staying President since he is the commander in chief. He also played with the values and emotions of extremely religious voters by adding fuel to the fire that is the controversy over gay marriage, stem cell research and abortion that simply did not need to happen. He started a war for his own personal reasons and political/financial motive, not for the good of this country, and people are dying over it. He should be ashamed of himself. If heaven and hell do exist, I hope he rots in hell for all eternity.
 

mrmyth

Member
Iceman said:
props still going to kerry..

but c'mon people, he's had his eye on the presidency for decades.. this is a close as he could ever have come without having it handed to him. After all that work.. that would be emotionally draining. Couple that with letting down millions of people who accepted you as their own representative above all others and well that equal a river of tears in my arithmatic book. Don't give me this more patriotic than thou stuff.

re: fear

the democrats have been the master of fear mongering.. remember, "old people, the republicans are going to take away your social security and medicare!!"



Which admin's White House instituted the color-coded, dumbed-down, how-scared-you-should-be index? Which party campaigned in the south on the merits of 'John Kerry will ban the bible'? Which party seems to worry that what same-sex couples do will affect everybody else's bedrooms somehow? Which party's campaign manager tanked one of their own member's campaign on the basis that what if he fathered a black child out of wedlock?

The Democrats by no means have a monopoly on fear-mongering. I wish they did sometimes, but then they go and do classy things like John Kerry, and remind me why I support most of them.


The threat is actually real in this case and there's no reason to believe that a Kerry led whit house will be motivated to the same degree to take preventative measures like the Bush white house has aside from his mimicking statements that "we will find the terrorists and kill them." what was the plan? there was none, just talk.


The most talking I hear nowadays is from the cat that knocked down the buildings in NY. The one our most motivated president has caught and killed.......
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Iceman said:
props still going to kerry..

but c'mon people, he's had his eye on the presidency for decades.. this is a close as he could ever have come without having it handed to him. After all that work.. that would be emotionally draining. Couple that with letting down millions of people who accepted you as their own representative above all others and well that equal a river of tears in my arithmatic book. Don't give me this more patriotic than thou stuff.
Indeed. I can't imagine what is msut be like spending so long trying desperately to get something and come so very, very close only to fail in the final hours. Don't forget that all the polls by the late afternoon/early evening yesterday showed that Kerry was rocking out too. His hopes were literally crushed in the final hours. It's not like somebody like a Bob Dole or a Michael Dukakis or someone like that where it was pretty clear going in that they probably weren't going to pull this off. This is like the way the Red Sox kept losing for 86 years...just in that very last second when they were on the very cusp of victory. Somebody on one of the channels last night said that Kerry had snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and I don't think there's any other way to put it.

I know if I were Kerry, I would be depressed as hell and probably wouldn't even get out of my pajamas for the next several days.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
MetatronM said:
I know if I were Kerry, I would be depressed as hell and probably wouldn't even get out of my pajamas for the next several days.

This is when a wife should know her role. ;)
 
Barack Obama's speech:

I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation, not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody's son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted--or at least, most of the time.

This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers, and the promise of future generations. And fellow Americans--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--I say to you tonight: we have more work to do. More to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits he counted on. More to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.

Don't get me wrong. The people I meet in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice [...]

A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief--I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper--that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.

Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America--there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America [...]

In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; the belief in things not seen; the belief that there are better days ahead. I believe we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair. I believe that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us. America!

:)
 

Diablos

Member
I have also been thinking... this election sets a terrible example for presidents of the future. This changes the playing field. Bush has the largest popular vote in the history of the United States of America. More than three million people favored Bush over Kerry. This shows that people will expect the same kind of qualities from a president (that are ruining this country) for years to come. Years from now this election will be remembered as a defnining moment of our history. This is a major highlight when people look back on previous decades. MAJOR. It makes me kind of sick.
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Diablos said:
I have also been thinking... this election sets a terrible example for presidents of the future. This changes the playing field. Bush has the largest popular vote in the history of the United States of America. More than three million people favored Bush over Kerry. This shows that people will expect the same kind of qualities from a president (that are ruining this country) for years to come. Years from now this election will be remembered as a defnining moment of our history. This is a major highlight when people look back on previous decades. MAJOR. It makes me kind of sick.
Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.
 
This election has proven to be a stunning anti-climax. All the talk in the media, newspapers, and on the internet was about how this year would be so unpredictable and different than the last 12 years or so.

But what happened? Almost to the letter all the "Red states" in 2000 were red in '04 and the "Blue states" were just as blue now as 4 years ago.

Kerry gave it his best, especially in the last month and a half or so. He may not have been the "home run" canidate the Democrats needed but I felt proud castng my vote for change this year. I was glad to see a majority of those in New Jersey agreed with my decision.

Bush has 4 years to redeem himself in my eyes, or at least not to make the kinds of mistakes he's made in the past 2 years or so. I guess I just don't see why so many of my fellow Americans thought he deserved another 4 years, I hope history proves that my worries about the man and his administration don't come to pass.
 
MetatronM said:
Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.

For those not keeping score:

Senate
55 Republicans
44 Democrats
1 Independent

House
230 Republicans
201 Democrats

*flushes checks and balances down the toilet*

Really this subject is derailing the discussion and deserves it's own thread.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Sal Paradise Jr said:
For those not keeping score:

Senate
55 Republicans
44 Democrats
1 Independent

House
230 Republicans
201 Democrats

*flushes checks and balances down the toilet*

Really this subject is derailing the discussion and deserves it's own thread.

That 1 independent almost always votes with the Democrats.
 

Justin Bailey

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KilledByBill said:
This election has proven to be a stunning anti-climax. All the talk in the media, newspapers, and on the internet was about how this year would be so unpredictable and different than the last 12 years or so.

But what happened? Almost to the letter all the "Red states" in 2000 were red in '04 and the "Blue states" were just as blue now as 4 years ago.

Kerry gave it his best, especially in the last month and a half or so. He may not have been the "home run" canidate the Democrats needed but I felt proud castng my vote for change this year. I was glad to see a majority of those in New Jersey agreed with my decision.

Bush has 4 years to redeem himself in my eyes, or at least not to make the kinds of mistakes he's made in the past 2 years or so. I guess I just don't see why so many of my fellow Americans thought he deserved another 4 years, I hope history proves that my worries about the man and his administration don't come to pass.
Excellent post.
 

Kebric

Neo Member
I'm a conservative, but I'm deeply impressed with John Kerry's speech. I'm just glad this years election didn't turn to shit.
 

ge-man

Member
MetatronM said:
Yes, this turned out to be a major epoch defining election And it's not simply the way Bush carried a sizeable majority. It's also the way the Republicans have gained nothing short of dominance in the House and Senate. It's the way they not only gained greater majorities but also eliminatred the opposing party's leader. The Republicans didn't beat the Democrats this election, even though most of the votes were very very close; the end result is that the Republicans DESTROYED the Democrats. The historical implications could well be too numerous to count.

Good point. Again, I hope the Democrats have finally seen the light. After a couple of major beat downs, change is inevitable.
 
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