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PS3 is the first time Unreal Engine 3 has run smoothly.
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PartlyCloudlike
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AW SHIT AW SHIT!!!
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vatstep
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I was wondering about this. Everyone's making a big deal about whether the game trailers or not were real-time; did they even see the UE3.0 demo? That WAS real-time, without question, and very impressive.
Ninja Scooter
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GhaleonEB said:
Xbox360 is coming out this year, PS3 is still at LEAST 12-18 months away and it wasn't even sure if it would be debuted at e3, so it was much more of a surprise. Its would be normal to have higher expectations from MS at this point, they have more to prove.
OG_Original Gamer
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Sweeney mentioned it was running in real time on PS3 hardware, he also mentioned that they've had PS3 devkits for 2 months and that PS3 was easy to develop for.
Izzy said:
Uh... I'd hope nobody expected UE3 to be X360 exclusive because that would've been the height of ignorance about the gaming industry. Furthermore, 2 months of pure OT
Actually, I'm willing to bet the "short" porting time is more a function of the great architecture of the engine than the hardware it's running off ofhere u go.. cool stuff
http://downloads.punchjump.com/videos/epicgamesps3demo/Epic Games PS3 demo.wmv
http://downloads.punchjump.com/videos/epicgamesps3demo/Epic Games PS3 demo.wmv
Phoenix
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The funny thing is that Gears of War runs on the Unreal Engine which we already know runs on PS3 and apparently runs well - so we know that Gears of War should run well on the PS3 as well.
The deciding factor for much of this will be which games WON'T get ported over. Who has games/features that make it mandatory to own the platform.
The deciding factor for much of this will be which games WON'T get ported over. Who has games/features that make it mandatory to own the platform.
rastex said:Uh... I'd hope nobody expected UE3 to be X360 exclusive because that would've been the height of ignorance about the gaming industry. Furthermore, 2 months of pure OT
Oh, but I'm not talking about the engine - I'm talking about Epic themselves. After all the behind the scenes courting by the MS, they chose to appear at the enemy's PC; with better running engine to boot.
Lazy vs Crazy
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How can it be running real time on ps3 hardware when ps3 hardware doesn't even exist yet?
CrimsonSkies
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I'm looking forward to seeing how the Xbox 360 games look when they get the ATI chips in developers hands. Are they still using PC cards, or is the GPU's starting to be packed in development kits. As you well know the Xbox 360 is way more GPU focused for processing power than the PS3. So I'm just curious.
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Lazy vs Crazy said:
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Cold-Steel
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Izzy said:
:lol :lol
Shogmaster
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Izzy said:
Dude, what makes you think the MTV footage was even running on the R500? R500 just started mass production. The footage is running on X800XT, or emulated screens on dev kits spun up in time to simulate "realtime" footage.
And the RSX for the PS3 has barely taped out even. What the tools at GS don't even realise is that they didn't see shit on the RSX. RSX does not exist in silicon! They probably saw 6800U in SLI.
Stupid gaming journalists.....
Shogmaster
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Izzy said:
Then what's the hells the point of your stupid post?!? Oh my lord......
Cerebral Palsy
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So... a once highend pc (keyword: once) struggled to run Unreal Engine 3 smooth, and then a year later the PS3 actually did? OMG BRAIN OVERLOAD CAN'T HANDLE THE ... *HEAD EXPLODES*
Shogmaster said:
His point was that from the stuff we actually know, the ps3 dev kit runs the UT3 engine better than the 360 dev kit duh. Preface that with the fact that the 360 is being released in 6 months, and the ps3 demo was done in 2 months = obvious. The 360 might well end up running the stupid demo at the same frame reate eventually.. or not.. but we cant say.
Shogmaster
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DaMan121 said:
OH MY FUCKING LORD!!!!
A). They are both alpha or beta kits, meaning they have NOTHING to do with the power of the final devkit or console.
B). RSX is very traditional shader design, much like the current PC GPUs: seperate vertex and pixel shader pipelines. R500 is a paradigm shift for GPU design using unified shaders. 6800U SLI to RSX will be a much more straight forwards transition than X800 to R500. X800 to R500 is a blind leap for developers in many cases because the architecture is so different.
C). You guys are making too much idiotic fanboy assumptions for not having enough insight to how the technology works. But then again, this is NeoGAF. Half the calories and intelligence of old GAF.
The real news here is that this (Tim Sweeney's statement about the PS3 being easy to code for, with a kickass demo that was ported to the machine in a mere 2 months to back up his statement) goes a long way towards dispelling the claims some people have been making about how the PS3 is going to be prohibitively tough to develop for.
Phoenix
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To be honest I don't think we can say much about the power or potential of either until we've sat through a programming seminar for those architectures and actually understand the pro's and con's of each platform. There's always tradeoffs (like UMA versus two 256MB memory sections) and until we know a lot more about the tradeoffs in the designs, its moot to discuss a lot of this.
One could easily explain, for example, the time difference in porting on having a higher quality codebase for the unreal 3 engine 2 months ago as opposed to 12 months ago.
Anyways - back to throwing pies
One could easily explain, for example, the time difference in porting on having a higher quality codebase for the unreal 3 engine 2 months ago as opposed to 12 months ago.
Anyways - back to throwing pies
Shogmaster said:
You seem to match A with your C. If you can't compare the two systems by 2 games running on devkits then are you saying it's impossible to compare either system until they are both out in stores? That no systems in the past have been able to be compared until they are in stores, and that all the games and tech demos shown before a system launch amounts to nothing because they have "NOTHING to do with the power of the final devkit or console"?
Shogmaster said:
Haha, insults - I feel like I'm in first grade again!
Let me explain it you, then: most of the people on this board know those were incomplete kits - and yet most journos and ordinary gamers don't. All they're gonna see is an UE3 engine game running 20 fps on Xbox 360, and 60 fps on PS3. They won't question the hardware behind it, more than likely they'll put it down to power difference.
And that's what makes it backstabbing. Furthermore, Epic is a sole middleware provider for MGS.
Shogmaster
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Bebpo said:
If you read B), you would know the reason why the conparasin is fruitless. R500 is brand fucking new aproach in GPU design. No one has ever coded for an architecture like this. EVER.
Come back in few months when 360 devs have the final dev kits and had the chance to see their code run on the actual chip. Then we can go crazy with the comparasins.
And unfortunately E3 won't answer questions but create more questions because I don't expect any of the demo kiosks for 360 to have the R500 inside.
Shogmaster said:
LOL, the ps2 dev kit is no way a beta.. alpha at best. And T-minus 6 months, you would expect the 360 dev kit is a beta. The 360 will probably run it at the same frame rate anyway, so who cares. But at the moment it seems the 360 is launching next year as well...
Shogmaster
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Izzy said:
I didn't call you stupid. Just your post.
I've always said gaming journos are just fanboys with credentials.
And you're doing nothing to help the ignorant apparently. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
If you think UE3 will be the only middleware for 360, you are high.
DaMan121 said:
There was a post somewhere (B3D maybe?) that had a chart for R500 production schedule. They will have plenty R500s out soon.
For MGS he said, and thats right, Microsoft Game Studios have licensed UE3 for all their projects.
Epic have been saying all along how well it runs on 360 so i really doubt that means it runs at 20fps.
I mean the big difference between what 360 showed of UE3 and was PS3 showed was that 360s was actually a game.
I imagine they will both run UE3 pretty flawlessly... though it'll be interesting to see how much more both systems can push.
Epic have been saying all along how well it runs on 360 so i really doubt that means it runs at 20fps.
I mean the big difference between what 360 showed of UE3 and was PS3 showed was that 360s was actually a game.
I imagine they will both run UE3 pretty flawlessly... though it'll be interesting to see how much more both systems can push.
Shogmaster
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Ghost said:
And that's fucking awesome, because the engine is beautiful, and the specs of R500 seems tailor made for UE3.
And it was never really 20fps in the footages except for when the big dude crashed through. And that might have been for dramatic effect since it went WAY below 20fps then.
Me too. They are such different beasts and both so powerful, it's gonna be interesting to see how the games turn out for each.