I laughed because that particular post you responded to was a conversation he and I were having that started with "Neo is for PSVR" and I was suggesting why it isn't
PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked
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I laughed because that particular post you responded to was a conversation he and I were having that started with "Neo is for PSVR" and I was suggesting why it isn't
Probably 90% of console owners just play CoD and Fifa so I doubt they care about the BC. What happens is the enthusiasts who post on Gaf and online make a decision and tell their mates who follow suit.
I've had a PS4 since day one and the only must own unique exclusives I have are Bloodborne and Uncharted 4. What are the others?
MisterXDTV
Member
What new games? Xbox is way behind Sony in exclusives
can we not do the list war thing? each console has great exclusives for different people. it's totally subjective
LordBaztion
Member
the xbox exclusives. With your PS4 you already have the Sony exclusives covered.
MisterXDTV
Member
I think the leak was intentional, we have known about this since mid-April, why keep it a secret?
Dyson Industries
Banned
No.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Fritolay with some hard-hitting PSVR FUD.
I don't think Sony should be following in Microsoft's footsteps and making promises they can't keep. PS5 isn't the focus right now.
That's not a very subtle PS4 has no games.
ChristianSpicer
Neo Member
I originally wrote something people had told me. I trusted those people, so I thought I'd share.
I'm sure you can still see what I originally wrote pretty easily. That's fine.
Edited here b/c I forgot that I shouldn't post.
I'll go back to just reading along.
I'm sure you can still see what I originally wrote pretty easily. That's fine.
Edited here b/c I forgot that I shouldn't post.
I'll go back to just reading along.
geordiemp
Member
I am a console player ecosystem, but some games like Witcher 3 just bug my goat. I would hope a console manufacturer would eventually offer a premium system that could run this game smoothly at a premium.
Looks like I am wasting my time, MS might do it, you never know, but most likely PC.
I think the weak Neo will give a serious boost to many looking at the new wave of powerful low cost relatively cheap PC components. 3rd party gaming is the big player nowadays.
Karspankey
Banned
I would love to see an argument that proves the Neo is being made purely for PSVR because
Edit: Sorry, forgot a point. What would the PSVR benefit from Neo? A graphics bump in probably most cases. Do remember, that Sony is enforcing developers to keep the experiences in games the same between the two SKUs. I would highly doubt they'd throw it away when it comes to PSVR.
- Every demo for PSVR has been running on the OG PS4 hardware with no issue
- The Neo is obviously being developed with the aspirations of coinceiding with 4kTVs becoming more prominent. Maybe even moving tons of 4KTVs if the need is great.
- Microsoft are chasing the same goal. A more powerful system that can do 4K. Surely if both are doing the same thing, there must be some sort of common force driving them to put these things out in the first place.
Edit: Sorry, forgot a point. What would the PSVR benefit from Neo? A graphics bump in probably most cases. Do remember, that Sony is enforcing developers to keep the experiences in games the same between the two SKUs. I would highly doubt they'd throw it away when it comes to PSVR.
What?
I firmly believe that any console game where framerate is not absolutely critical to gameplay, developers will always go for more eye candy. I think this will be the same on scorpio.
This has been the trend since the 360 gen, I don't see it changing anytime soon
Yeah, maybe it"s a controlled leak after all.
That is flooded with text? You would cry at the internal briefing presentations regularly used by government.
I really find this hard to believe, especially the idea that they had no plans for Xbox One slim
had no real slim plans but its coming next month ok dude
InsaneTiger
Member
I know. List war is crap because it's subjective.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
As soon as you increase a devices power, you increase a developers ambition and reduce the need for optimisation.
60fps does not sell games as much as prettier graphics do. While many games will go for 60fps as a design choice, it's very rare outside of PC games that a game on a weaker platform is half the frame rate.
You will always need to go PC if that's what you want.
LukasTaves
Member
Why? The specs are not bumped enough to the point that the next higher resolution is viable. Sony themselves said that they wanted neo so users wouldn't switch to Pc. This specs makes neo very competitive with high end pcs if devs stick to 1080p, and they even even incentive devs on this doc to go for better graphics on 1080p sets.
And sony was the one making deals so developers could add VR support to non VR games, they clearly got the feedback that delivering the same graphics that those games were already pushing in VR would be a no go for ps4, but it would be suited for a machine capable of running the same graphics as ps4 but with double the framerate for VR.
Edit: To be clear, I meant the main goal was 1080p with high end graphics. PSVR games with great graphics a minor goal.
Karspankey
Banned
No mention of it making PSVR upgrades?
You'll definitely see a boost in graphics quality. All the PSVR needs, in my opinion.
ChristianSpicer
Neo Member
You have to think when Neo leaks first started. When did MS first learn about it. They may have some version of the S planned, but from what I've heard, the version shown at E3 and them focusing on 4k streaming and HDR stuff wasn't the plan.
I could have heard wrong. I could have misunderstood.
I'm happy to be wrong on all this tho
No it isn't.
I've played Killzone SF, LBP 3, Drive Club, TLOU Remastered, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4. PS4 is the only current gen system I own but for me it hasn't reached PS3 like levels where it has unparalleled exclusives.
I'd be more than happy to add you on PSN if you ever fancy a game of Rocket League or whatever. Please don't think I am mindlessly attacking Sony: I just genuinly feel like Xbox has worked hard to claw back the gap.
statham
Member
didn't the leak come out in March? Phil talked about new hardware at 'Xbox Spring Showcase' which took place in Feb, but embargo'd until March 1st.
If this is true, which it isn't, Microsoft is the greatest hardware manufacturer of all time. Design, manufacture and release a console in a handful of months? GOAT.
Yah that sounds crazy. Getting a console designed, built, and shipped to retailers ain't quick. I'd sooner believe slim was the only plan but Scorpio was ninja'd together.
If we assume PS4NEO is coming out this year, it will be 3 years until the release of PS5, which is probably already in R&D.
In terms of cycles, in Sony's mind NEO doesn't exist, they continue to make numbered hardware like they always have. I expect NEO iterations of numbered units to just use marginal increases of the existing hardware already in use to save on costs and R&D time.
What does this achieve? You thought Xbox was caught off guard but you'd be happy to be wrong? Huh?I'm happy to be wrong on all this tho
It feels like you're saying things just to say them.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
When people say X has no games, they actually mean it has games but I just don't like/count them for my own reasons.
And it's still not relevant when most people are enjoying their console and games.
vivftp
Member
I believe he's giving a timeline of events, meaning that at that time MS had no plans for a slim.
bitbydeath
Member
Nobody wants to play list wars with you as it all comes down to individual taste and is therefore pointless.
You want a list go to your nearest store.
but what about all of the restrictions and rules they have in place for PSVR games? all games have to run at least 60fps on OG PS4, etc. and that there won't be exclusive Neo games or modes
what's the point of making a more powerful console specifically for VR if you can't even make games that only work on it? Unless you think Sony will abandon all of those policies which I don't see happening
family_guy
Member
I believe they had plans for Slim but not Scorpio this soon. Neo drove them to announce it the way they did. Scorpio is probably only a power point slide in concept at the moment.
For people bringing up Scorpio and the power difference as a drawing point for sales they need to consider the most important factor: price.
If Sony keep the price for Neo to $349-399 and release this year then they can look at releasing a new system(PS5) in 2019. As people have said, these systems(Neo and Scorpio) are for those who want better graphics for new games and don't mind paying for it.
However, with the rumoured specs for Scorpio, it could be $400-500+ easily I feel. If this happens I feel there would be only two choices for MS when releasing a successor(XB2) without alienating consumers who bought Scorpio: Have XB2 be a small upgrade from with Scorpio being forward compatible, or holding off on a next-gen system till 2021. As we have seen, some people are already sour on the idea of mid-gen refreshes in terms of value for money or feeling like they have to upgrade, and with a possibly higher price for Scorpio, it would require a longer time till MS's next console release to not alienate your core buyers(if it is higher priced) as they will be the ones buying this unless they go with the aforementioned smaller upgrade to XB2 with forwards compatibility.
If Sony keep the price for Neo to $349-399 and release this year then they can look at releasing a new system(PS5) in 2019. As people have said, these systems(Neo and Scorpio) are for those who want better graphics for new games and don't mind paying for it.
However, with the rumoured specs for Scorpio, it could be $400-500+ easily I feel. If this happens I feel there would be only two choices for MS when releasing a successor(XB2) without alienating consumers who bought Scorpio: Have XB2 be a small upgrade from with Scorpio being forward compatible, or holding off on a next-gen system till 2021. As we have seen, some people are already sour on the idea of mid-gen refreshes in terms of value for money or feeling like they have to upgrade, and with a possibly higher price for Scorpio, it would require a longer time till MS's next console release to not alienate your core buyers(if it is higher priced) as they will be the ones buying this unless they go with the aforementioned smaller upgrade to XB2 with forwards compatibility.
Graphics Horse
Member
Sony seem to be eager for native 4k resolutions. I can't work out how to copy the text
Checkerboard rendering is similar to Killzone Shadowfall mp method if anyone is interested, but an alternating checkered pattern instead of vertical lines.
Checkerboard rendering is similar to Killzone Shadowfall mp method if anyone is interested, but an alternating checkered pattern instead of vertical lines.
at what time ? start of neo rumors ? xbone s doesnt look like something they just taped together at months notice
ChristianSpicer
Neo Member
You're taking my quote out of context.
I typed out info I had heard from multiple people I trust.
I then later replied with "I could have heard wrong. I could have misunderstood."
Saying, perhaps I got bad info. Or misunderstood the info I was given.
Sorry to have caused you any worry or concern. I'm out. I'll be reading along with everyone else from now on
Dam, I wanted to post this lol
Reckless Onion
Member
You're taking my quote out of context.
I typed out info I had heard from multiple people I trust.
I then later replied with "I could have heard wrong. I could have misunderstood."
Saying, perhaps I got bad info. Or misunderstood the info I was given.
Sorry to have caused you any worry or concern. I'm out. I'll be reading along with everyone else from now on
if you're not sure, then don't post such bullshit
Undead Fantasy
Member
Give me TLoU 4K edition and I'll buy it day 1.
calm down geez
Huge Succeeded
Banned
damn shame about that fisher price cpu
fuck were they thinking??? a hardware upgrade and they're keeping the exact same shithouse CPU...
fuck were they thinking??? a hardware upgrade and they're keeping the exact same shithouse CPU...
Right... but you see how it's impossible for them to design and manufacture a console in a month...?You're taking my quote out of context.
I typed out info I had heard from multiple people I trust.
I then later replied with "I could have heard wrong. I could have misunderstood."
Saying, perhaps I got bad info. Or misunderstood the info I was given.
Sorry to have caused you any worry or concern. I'm out. I'll be reading along with everyone else from now on
It's like saying you heard a friend of yours somehow walked 10 km in 20 minutes, but you might have heard wrong and you'd be glad if you were wrong...
Just a bunch of irrelevant and useless mumbo jumbo.
They think "make a good mid-gen refresh/upgrade PS4 for holiday 2016 with a good price".
And it's exactly that. If you want a next-gen PlayStation, wait ~3 years and buy a PS5.
LukasTaves
Member
Oh, I see your point, sorry for not making myself clearer.
When I said Ps4 wouldn't be able to handle the same graphics in Vr I meant they they will definitely drop stuff like resolution, post processing effects and what else they can to get the same assets to work with VR, wasn't even RE 7 reported to run in lower res?
With neo they can have the VR mode looking much closer to the actual game, so a no compromise in that regard.