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[Ammogeddon]

No you do not:

Yes I know this genius. It's not relevant to me as I have a 4K tv, therefore I'm not really fussed about what it can do for non 4K. Pay attention to the wording of my post then you may not come off as a pretentious know it all.

 

[J_ToSaveTheDay]

I wish someone could just say things and people would understand what they mean.

Every game with a higher internal resolution on PRO be it checkerboard, 4K or anything in between will be downsampled to 1080p screens, giving you significally better image quality than 1080p would give you, in addition to whatever improvements they have to the game graphically or performance wise. 1080p enhanced titles are also a thing.

I don't know how many times people have to say 1080p TV gamers will benefit from Pro(arguably even more than 4K owners) before it sinks in.

You don't have to have a 4K screen, period.

I totally agree with you. I just think they're not doing a great job actually demonstrating it, when they have every capacity to do so. Demonstrations are very focused on the 4K+HDR capabilities of the Pro. I think there need to be more PS4 Pro enhanced trailers that are captured on a PS4 Pro running on a 1080p display, doesn't matter exactly which effects are being used to enhance it.

I really don't have much doubt that 1080p users will be just fine with the Pro and get the promised updates to IQ and performance. I just really wish they were showing it off more, instead of just saying it every time someone asks. There's plenty of evidence from a wide variety of reports that 1080p enhancements exist in a lot of these titles coming up, but a lot of the Pro footage right now starts off with a disclaimer that it was captured on PS4 Pro running at 4K and then edited back to 1080p. I just want someone to sideline 4K+HDR completely with their media and just be like "this is our game running at 1080p on PS4 Pro hardware, and here's the enhancements you can see over a stock PS4."

Examples:

Watch Dogs 2

Rise of the Tomb Raider - a game reported to have 1080p Pro modes visible at PS4 Pro events, but still not being media'd up and shown to us yet! And the game is already out!

I mean, the problem isn't the doubt that it's happening. The problem is more or less... why not just show us? Of course 1080p is getting enhancements, and a lot of those enhancements will be day 1! Just capture it running on a 1080p display and put it up on youtube, compression and all, with a little side by side with stock PS4 performance to give us an idea. The problem is just the focus on 4K media, not the denial that 1080p users are going to get anything. As a 1080p user, I just want to see it, I want to get excited, I love getting a PC version of a game and seeing it look and run better than the console version I played -- I wish Sony would use the marketing of the PS4 Pro to drum up that excitement about their Pro hardware.

Instead, it sort of feels like a bummer to appeal to the minority 4K+HDR owners. I hold nothing against 4K+HDR and I do intend to upgrade in the future, I just don't think it's nearly as big a deal for the PS4 Pro as Sony thinks it needs to be right now. It just feels like the PR/marketing for the Pro is leaned too heavily at that base right now, at least when it comes to media demonstration of its capabilities.

Again, I know 1080p users are going to get enhancements, I just want to see them.

 

[Skinpop]

That's amazingly selfish. If the original console is still going to run the same games, it hurts absolutely no one to provide a newer version of the system that will run and look better for people who want that.

it's not more selfish than you wanting it.
I feel iterative consoles will hurt the overall quality and experience of consoles. I think smartphones are a very good example of a situation we should want to avoid with consoles.

Why don't you want other people to have options?

because those options have side effects that I think are detrimental to console gaming.

So other people shouldn't have a choice between low and high end machines because you don't want it?

I'm saying iterative consoles will have detrimental effects on the experience of console gaming and the quality of software. People bring up the ecosystems of smartphones as something consoles should aspire to. I think this is the worst possible path and if it happens I will indeed jump ship and stop buying consoles.

This kind of thinking boggles my mind.

I also hoped dlc and microtransactions would fail miserably. it didn't and look where we are now.

Like it makes sense to be against same sex relationships if you're straight? Time to get some perspective and accept that the world is full of different people who like different things.

wow

 

[Always-honest]

Yes I know this genius. It's not relevant to me as I have a 4K tv, therefore I'm not really fussed about what it can do for non 4K. Pay attention to the wording of my post then you may not come off as a pretentious know it all.

I feel that I was informed enough and I'll pick a Pro up day one.

I am am lucky enough to have a 4K tv and PSVR.

If you don't have either of those things there's probably no point.

You are wrong. There is a point if you don't have a 4K screen or a PSVR. A huge point as far as i'm concerned.
And your words were crystal clear.

 

[black070]

it's not more selfish than you wanting it.
I feel iterative consoles will hurt the overall quality and experience of consoles. I think smartphones are a very good example of a situation we should want to avoid with consoles.

Wanting a more powerful forward compatible SKU is more selfish then hoping it fails miserably ?

 

[Ammogeddon]

You are wrong.

Oh my god lol, let it go. I told you to pay attention to my wording, I did say probably.

Don't be angry at me because you have a 1080p tv and you're struggling to justify to your mum why you need a pro.

 

[Always-honest]

Oh my god lol, let it go. I told you to pay attention to my wording, I did say probably.

Don't be angry at me because you have a 1080p tv and you're struggling to justify to your mum why you need a pro.

Haha, allright, i'll let it go. You got corrected and now all is clear to you i hope (although it seems like not).

 

[GinoFelino]

Haha, allright, i'll let it go. You got corrected and now all is clear to you i hope (although it seems like not).

You're not the one who needs to let it go. Ammo dude is being a dick.

Props to you for taking it in stride, though.

 

[Anarion07]

Oh my god lol, let it go. I told you to pay attention to my wording, I did say probably.

Don't be angry at me because you have a 1080p tv and you're struggling to justify to your mum why you need a pro.

But he's right you know.
And wow at that last paragraph.

 

[Skinpop]

Wanting a more powerful forward compatible SKU is more selfish then hoping it fails miserably ?

if what he wants is detrimental to my enjoyment, and what I want is detrimental to his enjoyment.. then figure out the rest yourself. point is, there is no such thing as being selfish here. it's a stupid and illogical argument.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Pay attention to the wording of my post then you may not come off as a pretentious know it all.

That attitude won't get you far on here, junior.

 

[family_guy]

1080p demonstrations. Sony Meeting had a bunch of cool checkerboard+HDR stuff that people could not see properly through the release media because most people still don't have 4K+HDR. I absolutely believe the reports that this footage was remarkable, but I can't see it because I don't have a 4K+HDR screen.

Best I feel I've gotten so far is two reports from Digital Foundry about Rise of the Tomb Raider visibly having multiple selectable Pro Modes based on user preference and their theoretical supersample of Horizon: Zero Dawn 4K screenshots, which were intended more to demonstrate how the checkerboard effect would look on a 4K display, not exactly a confirmation that the supersample technique would be implemented.

Still, I'm optimistic it'll be a worthy upgrade to anyone that has one. I am just eager to actually see it more frequently in media.

Look. 1080p is not the focus. You'll see improvements like with any new console, but don't expect Sony to focus on it. Getting a Pro means that you'll get the best version of a PS4 game going forward regardless if that only amounts to a 10% difference. There's plenty of times where if I crank my settings from high to ultra on PC that I barely notice a difference. Everything is in the hands of the developers regardless of the hardware's capabilities.

4k is the future. If you only have a 1080p television when PS5 comes out then are you going to ask the same question about how it will benefit you?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Where are all the trade up deals?

Not happening.

 

[Ozorov]

Not happening.

Whats a trade up deal?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

if what he wants is detrimental to my enjoyment, and what I want is detrimental to his enjoyment.. then figure out the rest yourself. point is, there is no such thing as being selfish here. it's a stupid and illogical argument.

Nothing is detrimental to you. You get to play your PS4 games and we get enhanced versions of those games on our PS4 Pros.

If anything PS4 Pro owners get the short end because games will still be designed around the base PS4, but I'm OK with that.

 

[IISANDERII]

The PS4 Pro isn't for the audience that needs PR.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Whats a trade up deal?

Where stores give you great trade-in value for your current console to puts toward buying a new console.

 

[Floex]

Yeah pretty much the same. I usually buy every new piece of gaming Hardware, however sony has failed to explain to me why this is supposed to be exciting.

I don't get both yours and the poster you quoted comments. Scorpio is in the same position as the Pro, what has been said Scorpio is going to be doing differently?

 

[Fudgepuppy]

If you're buying PS4 for the first time, why not the Pro? It's obvious that in time the regular PS4 will be phased out.

Like if you didn't have a 3DS today, why not buy the New 3DS?

 

[Ozorov]

Where stores give you great trade-in value for your current console to puts toward buying a new console.

Theres a trade up for PS4/Pro in Gamestop in Sweden. And I know Game in UK is also doing it. If the trade-in value is consider great I dont know

 

[Kenzodielocke]

If you're buying PS4 for the first time, why not the Pro? It's obvious that in time the regular PS4 will be phased out.

Like if you didn't have a 3DS today, why not buy the New 3DS?

Money is always the answer

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Theres a trade up for PS4/Pro in Gamestop in Sweden. And I know Game in UK is also doing it. If the trade-in value is consider great I dont know

I guess I was only thinking about the U.S. where they have actually dropped the trade-in value of the PS4. I don't think it will be pushed like a new generation though as far as promotions though.

Money is always the answer

True, but from my perspective the extra $100 is worth it i I am buying for myself. Less chance of buyers remorse when those comparison start dropping. And there will be salt once this balls gets rolling.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

because those options have side effects that I think are detrimental to console gaming.

Such as?

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Money is always the answer

Investing 100$ extra now, seems a lot more economically smart, than buying the PS4 today, then buying the PS4 Pro in a year or two.

Yes there are trade-ins and selling your old console, but is it worth it in the end?

For those who already have a PS4, I don't see a reason for upgrading yet, but for those who don't, the 100$ extra seems like a reasonable investment for future-proofing.

It's not like we're talking about GPU's, where the price difference between the best ones of the market can be pretty steep when just released. When I bought my 970, the extra price I would have to pay for 980 or Titan, was just too big for it to be worth the future-proofing.

 

[black070]

if what he wants is detrimental to my enjoyment, and what I want is detrimental to his enjoyment.. then figure out the rest yourself. point is, there is no such thing as being selfish here. it's a stupid and illogical argument.

How is the Pro's existence a detriment to your PS4 experience ?

 

[Ozorov]

Investing 100$ extra now, seems a lot more economically smart, than buying the PS4 today, then buying the PS4 Pro in a year or two.

Yes there's trade-ins and selling your old console, but is it worth it in the end?

For those who already have a PS4, I don't see a reason for upgrading yet, but for those who don't, the 100$ extra seems like a reasonable investment for future-proofing.

It's not like we're talking about GPU's, where the price difference between the best ones of the market can be pretty steep when just released. When I bought my 970, the extra price I would have to pay for 980 or Titan, was just too big for it to be worth the future-proofing.

Dont forget the improvments it will do for psvr. Its one reason why I'm getting one

 

[black070]

Oh my god lol, let it go. I told you to pay attention to my wording, I did say probably.

Don't be angry at me because you have a 1080p tv and you're struggling to justify to your mum why you need a pro.

Wow.. just wow - that last paragraph was so unnecessary.

 

[Skinpop]

Nothing is detrimental to you. You get to play your PS4 games and we get enhanced versions of those games on our PS4 Pros.

If anything PS4 Pro owners get the short end because games will still be designed around the base PS4, but I'm OK with that.

How is the Pro's existence a detriment to your PS4 experience ?

people have written numerous posts about why this is the case but to name a few:

software quality will suffer, it always does when there is an increase of platforms.
more emphasis on platform ecosystems and increased brand loyalty is horrible for consumers.
results in a ton of bad incentives.

this change is only a good thing if you think graphics and power are the most important things about gaming.

 

[Loudninja]

Investing 100$ extra now, seems a lot more economically smart, than buying the PS4 today, then buying the PS4 Pro in a year or two.

Yes there are trade-ins and selling your old console, but is it worth it in the end?

For those who already have a PS4, I don't see a reason for upgrading yet, but for those who don't, the 100$ extra seems like a reasonable investment for future-proofing.

It's not like we're talking about GPU's, where the price difference between the best ones of the market can be pretty steep when just released. When I bought my 970, the extra price I would have to pay for 980 or Titan, was just too big for it to be worth the future-proofing.

There are many reasons

• 4k support for games *upscale and native*
• All games will run in 1080p resolution, and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate
• 1080p60 RemotePlay/SharePlay
• Will support 1080p video at 60 frames per second for broadcasting
• 4K screenshots
• Netflix 4k support
• Enhanced support for PSVR
• 5GHz Wi-Fi. support* for PS4 Slim and PS4 pro*
• Support for SATA Rev.3

 

[Ammogeddon]

Haha, allright, i'll let it go. You got corrected and now all is clear to you i hope (although it seems like not).

Okay okay look, I see there are one or two here that don't appreciate my conduct and I apologise. I should've been constructive in my reactions.

I didn't intend to come across dismissive about what the pro can do for HDTV. It's great that everyone can get something from it. If you are happy with what the pro can do on an HDTV then go for it. It's just that I have a few mates that have a ps4 but feel they cannot justify buying a pro when they don't have a 4K tv or PSVR.

If I was jumping into ps4 for the first time regardless of TV or VR I would get a pro for sure but I don't think many are going swap their old ps4s for the pro, regardless of the improvement. Maybe that's good enough though.

 

[GinoFelino]

Okay okay look, I see there are one or two here that don't appreciate my conduct and I apologise. I should've been constructive in my reactions.

I didn't intend to come across dismissive about what the pro can do for HDTV. It's great that everyone can get something from it. If you are happy with what the pro can do on an HDTV then go for it. It's just that I have a few mates that have a ps4 but feel they cannot justify buying a pro when they don't have a 4K tv or PSVR.

If I was jumping into ps4 for the first time regardless of TV or VR I would get a pro for sure but I don't think many are going swap their old ps4s for the pro, regardless of the improvement. Maybe that's good enough though.

Good on you for apologising. You just might make it here after all

 

[jdmonmou]

Investing 100$ extra now, seems a lot more economically smart, than buying the PS4 today, then buying the PS4 Pro in a year or two.

Yes there are trade-ins and selling your old console, but is it worth it in the end?

For those who already have a PS4, I don't see a reason for upgrading yet, but for those who don't, the 100$ extra seems like a reasonable investment for future-proofing.

It's not like we're talking about GPU's, where the price difference between the best ones of the market can be pretty steep when just released. When I bought my 970, the extra price I would have to pay for 980 or Titan, was just too big for it to be worth the future-proofing.

Well, you could argue that those that have waited this long to jump into the current console gen are extremely price conscious, so spending $100 for something they perceive to only benefit 4K TV owners may not be appealing to them. They are more likely to buy the cheaper Slim and refurbished OG models. Sony's primary customer here is the early adopter that bought a PS4 day 1. But too many people don't really see the need for an upgrade when there won't be any Pro exclusive titles or features. Also, in a year is or two it is very likely that Sony will release a PS5.

 

[Chumpion]

If you're buying PS4 for the first time, why not the Pro? It's obvious that in time the regular PS4 will be phased out.

It could be loud as hell compared to Slim. We'll see.

 

[black070]

people have written numerous posts about why this is the case but to name a few:

software quality will suffer, it always does when there is an increase of platforms.
more emphasis on platform ecosystems and increased brand loyalty is horrible for consumers.
results in a ton of bad incentives.

this change is only a good thing if you think graphics and power are the most important things about gaming.

I still don't understand - how will software quality suffer ? What are these bad incentives ? What is changing ? A base PS4 owner has no reason to be alarmed unless, like you said, they care about graphics and power.

 

[Always-honest]

Okay okay look, I see there are one or two here that don't appreciate my conduct and I apologise. I should've been constructive in my reactions.

I didn't intend to come across dismissive about what the pro can do for HDTV. It's great that everyone can get something from it. If you are happy with what the pro can do on an HDTV then go for it. It's just that I have a few mates that have a ps4 but feel they cannot justify buying a pro when they don't have a 4K tv or PSVR.

If I was jumping into ps4 for the first time regardless of TV or VR I would get a pro for sure but I don't think many are going swap their old ps4s for the pro, regardless of the improvement. Maybe that's good enough though.

Fair enough. thumbs up.

 

[cackhyena]

people have written numerous posts about why this is the case but to name a few:

software quality will suffer, it always does when there is an increase of platforms.
more emphasis on platform ecosystems and increased brand loyalty is horrible for consumers.
results in a ton of bad incentives.

this change is only a good thing if you think graphics and power are the most important things about gaming.

What? What aren't you understanding about these games being made for PS4 first? The base (where all the goddamn money is) is where priority goes. Pro gets extra benefits when devs work towards it. You will not be affected either way. Cerny talking about how little effort needs to be made to gain that extra oomph is proof. I'll take that dude's word over your concern.

 

[Iorv3th]

if what he wants is detrimental to my enjoyment, and what I want is detrimental to his enjoyment.. then figure out the rest yourself. point is, there is no such thing as being selfish here. it's a stupid and illogical argument.

How is the existence of an iterative console or ps4 pro being detrimental to your enjoyment?

I mean PC games aren't suddenly bad for me because I don't have a 1080 or Titan or the newest CPU.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Is 1800p the sweetspot for resolution on PSPro for current gen games i wonder?

 

[Harp]

I totally agree with you. I just think they're not doing a great job actually demonstrating it, when they have every capacity to do so. Demonstrations are very focused on the 4K+HDR capabilities of the Pro. I think there need to be more PS4 Pro enhanced trailers that are captured on a PS4 Pro running on a 1080p display, doesn't matter exactly which effects are being used to enhance it.

I really don't have much doubt that 1080p users will be just fine with the Pro and get the promised updates to IQ and performance. I just really wish they were showing it off more, instead of just saying it every time someone asks. There's plenty of evidence from a wide variety of reports that 1080p enhancements exist in a lot of these titles coming up, but a lot of the Pro footage right now starts off with a disclaimer that it was captured on PS4 Pro running at 4K and then edited back to 1080p. I just want someone to sideline 4K+HDR completely with their media and just be like "this is our game running at 1080p on PS4 Pro hardware, and here's the enhancements you can see over a stock PS4."

Examples:

Watch Dogs 2

Rise of the Tomb Raider - a game reported to have 1080p Pro modes visible at PS4 Pro events, but still not being media'd up and shown to us yet! And the game is already out!

I mean, the problem isn't the doubt that it's happening. The problem is more or less... why not just show us? Of course 1080p is getting enhancements, and a lot of those enhancements will be day 1! Just capture it running on a 1080p display and put it up on youtube, compression and all, with a little side by side with stock PS4 performance to give us an idea. The problem is just the focus on 4K media, not the denial that 1080p users are going to get anything. As a 1080p user, I just want to see it, I want to get excited, I love getting a PC version of a game and seeing it look and run better than the console version I played -- I wish Sony would use the marketing of the PS4 Pro to drum up that excitement about their Pro hardware.

Instead, it sort of feels like a bummer to appeal to the minority 4K+HDR owners. I hold nothing against 4K+HDR and I do intend to upgrade in the future, I just don't think it's nearly as big a deal for the PS4 Pro as Sony thinks it needs to be right now. It just feels like the PR/marketing for the Pro is leaned too heavily at that base right now, at least when it comes to media demonstration of its capabilities.

Again, I know 1080p users are going to get enhancements, I just want to see them.

Wait until NoV 11, and you will have plenty. I am sure every major website will be running comparisons.

For Sony it's pick your poison you don't show pro you get a daily thread about why do I need the pro. You only show pro trailers and you get 10 threads about why is sony leaving 40 million people behind and people saying why won't they show the regular ps4 version.

 

[GinoFelino]

Is 1800p the sweetspot for resolution on PSPro for current gen games i wonder?

Looks like it!

 

[AusRoachman]

No doubt there messaging has been weird for me personally , which has led to very little hype.

In summary , what does the ps pro offer me if I don't own a 4K tv and already own a PS4?

Apologies if this has been asked already in this thread .

 

[Gutek]

No doubt there messaging has been weird for me personally , which has led to very little hype.

In summary , what does the ps pro offer me if I don't own a 4K tv and already own a PS4?

Apologies if this has been asked already in this thread .

What the PS4 Pro offers for 1080p games differs from game to game, so nobody can answer your question.

 

[Manny Calavera]

That's why I'm just waiting and planning to get Nintendo. Even though I do have 4K TV.

 

[ReBurn]

I don't think he price is that bad especially given all the trade in deals, I really think they need to give us evidence that regardless of your TV this is DOUBLING the power of your PS4 with respective results in game for patched titles.

Imagine AMD marketing a GPU double the power of a predecessor and telling you that it will run some games better at 4K but no promises at any other resolution...

At the end of the day people don't play power. They play games. Playing up the power of the system while telling people that it won't automatically run existing games better doesn't tell a very compelling story when you're trying to get people to buy the console.

Sure, some games will get a patch and future games will take advantage of the console from the start. But Sony is still faced with the problem that well over 90% of PS4 games available when Pro launches won't run any differently between the $300 model and the $400 model.

They have an interesting marketing challenge ahead of them. How do they build a compelling case for Pro without killing interest in the base model? I guess that as long as the consumer buys one or the other Sony still makes a sale.

 

[androvsky]

I totally agree with you. I just think they're not doing a great job actually demonstrating it, when they have every capacity to do so. Demonstrations are very focused on the 4K+HDR capabilities of the Pro. I think there need to be more PS4 Pro enhanced trailers that are captured on a PS4 Pro running on a 1080p display, doesn't matter exactly which effects are being used to enhance it.

I really don't have much doubt that 1080p users will be just fine with the Pro and get the promised updates to IQ and performance. I just really wish they were showing it off more, instead of just saying it every time someone asks. There's plenty of evidence from a wide variety of reports that 1080p enhancements exist in a lot of these titles coming up, but a lot of the Pro footage right now starts off with a disclaimer that it was captured on PS4 Pro running at 4K and then edited back to 1080p. I just want someone to sideline 4K+HDR completely with their media and just be like "this is our game running at 1080p on PS4 Pro hardware, and here's the enhancements you can see over a stock PS4."

Examples:

Watch Dogs 2

Rise of the Tomb Raider - a game reported to have 1080p Pro modes visible at PS4 Pro events, but still not being media'd up and shown to us yet! And the game is already out!

I mean, the problem isn't the doubt that it's happening. The problem is more or less... why not just show us? Of course 1080p is getting enhancements, and a lot of those enhancements will be day 1! Just capture it running on a 1080p display and put it up on youtube, compression and all, with a little side by side with stock PS4 performance to give us an idea. The problem is just the focus on 4K media, not the denial that 1080p users are going to get anything. As a 1080p user, I just want to see it, I want to get excited, I love getting a PC version of a game and seeing it look and run better than the console version I played -- I wish Sony would use the marketing of the PS4 Pro to drum up that excitement about their Pro hardware.

Instead, it sort of feels like a bummer to appeal to the minority 4K+HDR owners. I hold nothing against 4K+HDR and I do intend to upgrade in the future, I just don't think it's nearly as big a deal for the PS4 Pro as Sony thinks it needs to be right now. It just feels like the PR/marketing for the Pro is leaned too heavily at that base right now, at least when it comes to media demonstration of its capabilities.

Again, I know 1080p users are going to get enhancements, I just want to see them.

I know the feeling, as far as I know Sony still hasn't released HDR video clips of any of the games running on the PS4 Pro. I have a 4K TV with basic HDR support and I'd love to see how those games actually look. Even the one high bitrate Tomb Raider clip sites were using as a comparison wasn't HDR.

 

[platocplx]

if what he wants is detrimental to my enjoyment, and what I want is detrimental to his enjoyment.. then figure out the rest yourself. point is, there is no such thing as being selfish here. it's a stupid and illogical argument.

How do you even exist in the world today with that kind of thought process?

Your argument makes no sense at all. There is nothing impacting your enjoyment of a console other than you.

 

[stilgar]

Oh my god lol, let it go. I told you to pay attention to my wording, I did say probably.

Don't be angry at me because you have a 1080p tv and you're struggling to justify to your mum why you need a pro.

I promise you a long life here.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

I promise you a long life here.

Keep reading, poster has apologised.

 

[MUnited83]

There are many reasons

For a extra 400€ on top of what I already paid for my OG PS4? Not really, rather use that on a meaty GPU upgrade.

 

[ronaldthump]

For a extra 400€ on top of what I already paid for my OG PS4? Not really, rather use that on a meaty GPU upgrade.

sell the OG ps4.