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PS4 sales have surpassed 5.3 million units according to Sony (As of Feb 8)
- Thread starter DarkLordMalik
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$299.99 price drop is not happening, people need to stop acting like it's a possibility. Has any console, EVER, had a $200 price drop after 4 months? Even if they release a different sku, they're not cutting both the Kinect and then another $100. Yeah they're not flying off the shelves but there's no reason to panic.
I personally think they messed up by making kinect mandatory, and if console was just $399 from the start w/out a Kinect, I think you'd see better sales numbers, but going down to $299 is insanity this early in the generation. Slow down production, catch sales up to shipments and see what happens over the summer and leading up to the holiday season.
juicyfruitas
Member
I think this announcement is tied into the fact that February 8 is the exact 12 week mark since the release of the PS4.
My guess is that there will be a press release toward the end of this month with Japan sales results and next month at GDC they will announce global totals.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Microsoft has historically bundled two games most of the time. I will wager in the fall we see Titanfall and Forza as the bundle.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I wonder how long Sony can keep this momentum up.
The day you can reliably order a PS4 at any time via several major web stores is the day I believe PS4 isn't supply constrained anymore.
airmangataosenai
Member
People are really overstating how bad the January numbers were. They were mediocre, not bad. A price drop and some software is all XBO needs and it will start to do well.
Uno Venova
Banned
"#thirstquenched"
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I dont think ill be able to get one before the launch of Infamous in my country
Its sad that Sony cant ship some New Zealand consoles to my countryIAmRandom31
Banned
Infamous release .... Final fantasy 14 .... Planetside 2 .... Driveclub ..... MGSV : definitive edition ..... Yadda yadda
They have games lined up till about E3 and then we will see god knows what from Naughty Dog and Santa Monica. And the world will stop turning if the last guardian is shown for PS4.
Hell this train could go till after E3 lol. I don't think so though I will say .... May .... Yeah may sounds good
Quadraphonic
Member
God. That's a bleak world. The only reason to think February would be higher is because there's less returns in January, which means the December numbers were inflated artificially.
You want to know how bad the numbers really was?
360 outsold the PS3 in NA almost two to one. Now the PS4 is outselling the XBO in NA almost 2 to 1. For a console that is readily available, this is bad, not mediocre, but bad. I will agree the dust has not settled yet. The 360 had outsold the PS3 by 6-8 million at one point, now the PS3 is on top. All it takes is some great games. MS certainly has the pocketbook to bankroll some great games.
As their are very close substitutes, every good news for PS4 is a bad news for Xbox One, this was pretty ingenious of Sony to keep posting numbers of PS4 sales. What's important is this is before the Japan launch, a key market for Sony. I'm starting to think the Forza 5 numbers and the best-attach rate racing game on console for the past decade is Microsoft way of softening the blow.
I reckon we'll get more updates of PS4 numbers frequently this year and in effect more sales numbers of exclusive/games sold too from both parties.
I reckon we'll get more updates of PS4 numbers frequently this year and in effect more sales numbers of exclusive/games sold too from both parties.
Superman00
Liverpool01
In North America maybe, but won't matter WW. PS4 has Europe and Asia locked up. Even if Xbone can match or exceed PS4 numbers in North America, the difference WW will completely negate that.
Actually the choices are, $60 on platforms already owned by a lot of people, or $560 for a new console and the game. If you own a half decent PC, you're not getting an X1 for Titanfall, you're buying it on your more capable PC. As for X360 owners, some will upgrade, the majority will buy for their already existing console.
Dell has a PS4 bundle.
Not sure what the stock on it is.
Not sure what the stock on it is.
airmangataosenai
Member
My point is more that 140k in January with no major software or price drops isn't that bad, not comparative sales. Whatever the PS4 did relative to it is irrelevant.
The entire "If you ain't first, you're last!" stance here is ridiculous. I'm sure Microsoft would hope that the sales would be higher but the way people are talking about the system's fate is beyond premature. Even a single enough below 100k isn't the end of a console.
rokkerkory
Member
If feb sales are lower 100k then danger will robinson for x1
SwiftDeath
Member
Did you sell a PS4 on Craigslist?
Dragonborn
Member
I agree, I'm trying to give MS the benefit of the doubt and hoping things don't get that terrible, but yea, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm being overly generous.
Imperfected
Member
I think it's less of a "If you ain't first, you're last" situation and more of a, "You've spent several times more than Nintendo did and you're still careening toward a Wii-U-like trajectory." Particularly given that we're seeing some stark similarities, like overstuffing of channels leading to early retailer-specific deals. (As a reminder, this is what lead to the absolutely unprecedented -20,000 units shipped number the Wii-U experienced in Europe once they were no longer able to ameliorate the issue and had to accept return of unsold stock.)
The time hasn't arrived to panic just yet, but it's certainly strong cause to be nervous. If TitanFall drops without a significant uptick, then you're going to see actual panic.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
With Japan coming into the mix, PS4 will probably be selling around 750-1M per month from here on out until the demand dies down. 300K NA, 300K EU, 100K Asia/Emerging Markets, 100K Japan (post launch). Pretty close to their production capacity.
Obviously it will slow down as we approach summer, maybe down to 500K monthly sales, but then increase dramatically at the end of the year. If Sony can continue to sell 150-200+K in the months of May and June, I think that'll be pretty solid. They will need to increase their production capacity for the fall - Destiny could be a huge next-gen seller.
Contrast that with the XB1, where they're selling only 150K in their strongest market. Things aren't looking good at all. They probably only have a global sell through of 300K monthly, if that. PS4 is probably selling close to 3X what the XBO is globally at this point.
Not really much Microsoft can do about it either. Microsoft did a lot of things right last-gen, and did them early, while having an advantage of Sony dropping the ball big time with the PS3. Those factors are no longer in their favor. Cutting the price alongside Kinect will help in the US in particular, but I still don't see it outselling the PS4 if it's at the same price.
Obviously it will slow down as we approach summer, maybe down to 500K monthly sales, but then increase dramatically at the end of the year. If Sony can continue to sell 150-200+K in the months of May and June, I think that'll be pretty solid. They will need to increase their production capacity for the fall - Destiny could be a huge next-gen seller.
Contrast that with the XB1, where they're selling only 150K in their strongest market. Things aren't looking good at all. They probably only have a global sell through of 300K monthly, if that. PS4 is probably selling close to 3X what the XBO is globally at this point.
Not really much Microsoft can do about it either. Microsoft did a lot of things right last-gen, and did them early, while having an advantage of Sony dropping the ball big time with the PS3. Those factors are no longer in their favor. Cutting the price alongside Kinect will help in the US in particular, but I still don't see it outselling the PS4 if it's at the same price.
I sold like 15 so far.
SwiftDeath
Member
Ah well I can see why you're still getting texts about it lol. Would suggest stock is still hard to come by freely though as I doubt you were selling them at retail price
I don't think Microsoft was wrong in their vision. They just f*up the hardware. I think the sale numbers would have been reversed had Microsoft had superior hardware in addition to all those other features.
RealityPales
Member
Be careful abbreviating Microsoft like that. It could get you banned, me thinks.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
You really think the PS4 will sell 100k a month post launch in Japan?
I was kind of thinking 60-70k tops.
Galactic Barret
Member
My question is: If MS price cuts the XBO, and Sony follows suit, so early in the generation, does that negatively affect the console market?
In my mind, its cutting your life short for a momentary power boost, DBZ style. If MS cuts XBO's price now, doesn't that mean you have a shorter console lifecycle?
In my mind, its cutting your life short for a momentary power boost, DBZ style. If MS cuts XBO's price now, doesn't that mean you have a shorter console lifecycle?
ProfessorMoran
Member
It's essentially a two horse race so that would hold true.
try warframe
IAmRandom31
Banned
I think Fall is the deadline for The X1. Right now, the real only argument people can come up with against the PS4 is " no big AAA exclusives " " No Games! " and all that BS. Actually owning one, you know it is bullshit, but that is the argument.
Well, that argument is dead come September. Really .. E3. But dead to never rise again in the fall. By then you will have a ton of third party software, looking its best on PS4, with big titles like Infamous, Final Fantasy 14, DriveClub, Diablo 3, etc. already out with The Order and Uncharted down the pike and Dragons Age, The Witcher 3, etc.
Then the biggest of them all will be out for PS4, Destiny. It may be multiplatform, but the other platforms are spoken of like the PC is with Titanfall. Unless you KNOW ... you can't really tell.
By then, and especially after the hype of E3 and all the games that will be showcased their. Forget about it. No chance. Right now with the biggest game the X1 may ever have besides Halo with Titanfall hitting, if they do not exceed PS4 sales by a large margin in the US for several months ... phew. This could get real ugly.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
20-25K per week isn't too high. PS3 was selling around that for a while. I'm still holding on to some level of hope that there's at least some level of demand for home consoles in the region.
You cold be right though, and maybe it will initially start out at 60-70K monthly after the initial launch has died down.
Sony wont follow... MS has to cut, but that would be good for console market.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
20-25k a week, after the launch hype had died, is pretty standard for a system within specific price brackets, or that has a steady influx of Japanese oriented software.
The PS4 has neither. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think it's not so much that the Wii U is dying as much as it is the entire home console market is.
rokkerkory
Member
I wonder if X1 can do PS3 levels of sales MoM after launch month
Imperfected
Member
Or at least be even-handed about it: Micro$oft, $ony, Nin¥do, etc.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Doesn't PS4 have some decent titles like Yakuza and MGS:GZ's? Not huge, but enough to get some early adopters on board gradually.
I guess I'm not as concerned about the software library as others, because I think there's decent pent-up demand for a new PS, regardless of games.
PS4 probably won't really start doing better until the next Final Fantasy, though.
there's literally nothing after launch period
nothing releasing
nothing announced
jeremy1456
Junior Member
They're pretty big games, but they're not exclusives. Not only are they not as big as New Super Mario Bros. U, but they're also being released on a platform that costs more, and aren't exclusive titles.
The only reason why i can kind of agree with the bold text is that even the "Casual" gamers are more knowledgeable these days thanks to instant social networking like twitter,reddit,etc and the fact most people into technology have smartphones ...early last generation not so much and far less "{informed}" casual gamers which the casual gamer makes up the bulk of after launch sales. I would not be one bit surprised to see X1 with less than 100k next Feb NPD although March will be a decent month for X1 imho..I still believe PS4 will have better NPD's for March though.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
That's kind of like saying that it doesn't matter that PS4 has battlefield 4 because it's not exclusive.
Omnistalgic
Member
I wonder how ff14 will do in Japan? Seems to have gotten great reviews and praise after se rebooted it...
Refreshing news though...while I do want all platform makers to have some success, it'll be nice to have a clear market leader and goto platform for third party titles, maybe well even see more Japanese support...please Sony make it happen revitalize the market
Refreshing news though...while I do want all platform makers to have some success, it'll be nice to have a clear market leader and goto platform for third party titles, maybe well even see more Japanese support...please Sony make it happen revitalize the market
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Battlefield is significantly bigger in the US than both Yakuza and MGS are in Japan.
As far as I remember both Yakuza and MGS generally sell in the 700-900k range. So assuming the userbases don't overlap at all, and that PS4 is the only platform anyone is ever going to buy them for you've got 1800k sales at most.
That would be a great launch, but it's far from realistic. Then we've also got to think about what's coming on the horizon, which is nothing immediately.
fatgamecat
Member
Xbox would have to be priced about $275 to match the price/performance of PS4 in terms of teraflops. PS4 at $400 is $217 per TF, and Xbox at $500 is $390 per TF, nearly double. Price/performance is a big reason why PS4 is selling so well.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Relative to the Japanese market, it's probably just as big. MGS is pretty big...and the PS3 version is well behind what the PS4 is doing.
My point was that it's sort of disingenuous to dismiss titles on next-gen platforms just because they're not exclusive. As we've seen in the west, there's been a huge uptake in next-gen consoles thanks to many of these cross-gen games, simply because they run a whole lot better.