#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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My Gawd....
 
I hope to see this trending when I wake up :D

Anyway, try to get the tech divisions of mainstream blogs interested:

@YahooNewsTech
@guardiantech
@dutchvowels (Editor at The Huffington Post, wrote about Xbox one's DRM and the Sim City fiasco)
@consumerist
 
Carl said:
Still a really good video. I shared it to some Sony execs.
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Did the same. Did you use the hashtags as well? Need more people to possibly see that vid and retweet it.

Glad to see Angry Joe on board. Although I do hope he takes it a step further and makes a video about this tomorrow. That could potentially blow this whole thing wide open. It would help bring alot of attention to a large viewership.

We'll see how this plays out tomorrow. Hopefully a few more gaming sites can pick this up and spotlight it for a bit.
 
faceless007 said:
Well, this is the disconnect I guess. You admit you only hold this view because of the detrimental effects (you think) are impacting the industry. You are asserting that a fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis, not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because you think it's a threat to the industry's health. Which means you are essentially arguing for protectionism for corporations--consumers are free to exercise their consumer rights only up to a certain point, but if that free exercise is perceived to threaten the viability of the industry, then their rights must be limited in order to save the industry.

I don't think I can put into words my disgust at this demeaning display of groveling at the feet of your game developer overlords. Even a die-hard laissez-faire capitalist would not be so subservient, because even a capitalist would accept that sometimes industries die and that's the way the world works. As much as I enjoy games, there is no inherent good in this industry. The ends do not justify the means here; there is nothing that makes the gaming industry inherently worthy of preservation, not to the point that would justify carving out a special exemption for them where used games are somehow magically not OK when they are OK for every other packaged good on the planet. Just because your favored set of content producers couldn't properly adapt does not justify rewriting the rules of what "property ownership" means and fundamentally removing the ability to preserve, inherit, pass on, lend, and share its products.

The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for an industry that cannot properly stumble its way around a viable secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. Sometimes your old product just isn't good enough, and the way you solve it is by making a better product, not by forcing consumers to adapt to your archaic and myopic business model with your dying breath. If this industry can't find a way to make money off the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising and forced multiplayer -- then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place. If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass, is so focused on short-term gains, and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in the pursuit of a stagnant market of hardcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits, then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken out back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.

I especially have a hard time having any sympathy because so many of the industry's problems are of its own making. They chose to focus on shaderific HD graphics over long-lasting appeal and gameplay; they chose to focus on linear scripted cinematic B-movie imitations that were only good for one playthrough instead of replayability and open-ended design; they chose to pour so much money and marketing into military porn and fetishized violent shootbang Press A to Awesome titles, exactly the kinds of games that hardcore gamers, the most likely gamers to trade in games quickly were prone to buying and reselling; and perhaps most galling, they chose to give Gamestop loads of exclusive pre-order bonuses while they knew exactly what Gamestop would say to those customers once in the store. They kept making insanely lavish and nonsensical displays of spectacular whizz-bang, despite that being exactly the kind of game most susceptible to trading after one week because there was nothing left to do with it. And now they're discovering that putting so many insanely expensive eggs into one fragile and easily breakable basket is maybe not the most sustainable business model ever.

So forgive me if I find myself not caring one bit when the industry complains that it's just so hard to sell six million copies of Gears of Medal of Battle of Uncharted Angry Dudes VII in the first week and that's why they need to take away used sales for the entire platform. No, the problem isn't at this end.
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Jesus Christ this is a amazing post. Absolutely nails it.
 
Hot Coldman said:
They'd sell on both. One version would have DRM, one wouldn't. Pretty straightforward.
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I'm not seeing this could happen. It would be such a huge point for everybody in this mess, the consumer, Sony, MS, 3 parties...

It's either both of them have it or both of them don't have it.
 
I don't mind if they can somehow implement a system for devs to get a cut of gamestop's revenue somehow, but I'm not sure how you can manage it without impacting loaning games, non-retail used sales, etc. etc.
 
Taurus said:
I'm not seeing this could happen. It would be such a huge point for everybody in this mess, the consumer, Sony, MS, 3 parties...

It's either both of them have it or both of them don't have it.
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This doesn't follow at all. Seems you're just wedded to your point without even listening. Either way, I'm not arguing what is common sense.
 
krypt0nian said:
I'm not sure where your disconnect is. They need to sell on more than one console to met their financials.
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There's 3DS, Wii U, PC, mobile and MS/Sony if either of them was left out. Plenty of userbase to reach I think for some to survive? Not everyone would make it with their bloated budgets of course.

Btw I'm not trying to derail the thread, just trying to add in some discussion. :)

krypt0nian said:
This doesn't follow at all. Seems you're just wedded to your point without even listening. Either way, I'm not arguing what is common sense.
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Well, explain then how you think it would be possible.
 
Taurus said:
I'm not seeing this could happen. It would be such a huge point for everybody in this mess, the consumer, Sony, MS, 3 parties...

It's either both of them have it or both of them don't have it.
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Well you will see it, Watch Dogs will be on the Xbone and the Wii U.
 
Taurus said:
So you are seriously expecting Sony to block DRM and MS to have DRM? What would 3PP do in that situation?
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I would think they'd favor Xbox, but even with higher Xbox One penetration, they would loose too much abandoning the PS4 and trying to force Sony's hand. Say Madden sells 9 million copies and 2:1 better on the Xbox (I'm making that up but just assume it for this). Giving up 3 million sales because you don't like a console's DRM policy is a prime example of cutting off your nose to spite its face. EA, Activision, and the rest still like money. After all, that's what the DRM is supposed to help them make.
 
Taurus said:
Sony can't survive without 3rd parties, but can 3rd parties survive without Sony?
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No they can't. Not when they're losing money selling MILLIONS of copies on 2 consoles this generation. As others have said publishers ditching Sony would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Might work in the short term but you're gonna miss that nose at some point.
 
saunderez said:
No they can't. Not when they're losing money selling MILLIONS of copies on 2 consoles this generation. As others have said publishers ditching Sony would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Might work in the short term but you're gonna miss that nose at some point.
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It would be even worst for Japanese publishers compare to western ones since Xbone already dead in Japan .
 
Corto said:
I have a book to resell you if you want. What's your favorite author?
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I never said it was an ideal solution. But I'm certainly not going to be upset when a struggling industry -one that I love- takes steps to secure its future and likeliness of continuing to deliver entertainment.
 
ipitydatfu said:
wtf is this wichcraft, realtime gifs
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are ya being serious? i'm not sure if you are or not but he meant 'realtime' as in realtime this morning. to show how quickly they were coming in. it doesn't update live, for a second i thought it was live too until i realized it was a gif.
 
Neff said:
I never said it was an ideal solution. But I'm certainly not going to be upset when a struggling industry -one that I love- takes steps to secure its future and likeliness of continuing to deliver entertainment.
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Maybe you should take a moment to consider why this industry is struggling.
 
Pennywise said:
Well you will see it, Watch Dogs will be on the Xbone and the Wii U.
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I know right? What a shocker. Not only that, Assassin's Creed 4 and other UBI catalogues + some exclusives (ZombiU) are even out on Wii U, which has none of these DRM BS.

SSM25 said:
I think David Jaffe is pissed at GAF...
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If he supports DRM then good. This is a good time to make a mental note (or even real note) or who actually on our side and who tries to screw us big time. Don't support them or their game next time they come up with one.

EDIT: Oh, if it's about piracy by all means. But if he supports DRM and no used game, then NOPE.
 
anyone else see a parallel between '11 Egyptian twitter revolution / obama saying "we hear your voices" and the DRM twitter revolution / sony saying "we hear you".

microsoft is going to get ousted next??
 
As a Xbox guy since late in the PS2/Xbox gen cycle (despite owning a PS3 since year 1) I can overlook the whole Xbox used games lockdown / semi-lockdown requiring new license but honestly i'm starting to drink PS4 kool-aid. All this Kinect required and always watching and listening crap, lack of games being a focus etc etc etc bullshit is making me look hard at flipping next generation which will be huge as I fully intend to be PC, 1 next gen console and a Wii U.
 
SSM25 said:
I think David Jaffe is pissed at GAF...
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He is friends with Orth. Not sure what else this could be about. He said he was anti-online pass for Twisted Metal if I'm not mistaken.

davidscottjaffe ‏@davidscottjaffe 11m

GAFthread w/peeps saying piracy is ok cuz pirates wud not've bought copy anyway.What embarrassingly stupid,annoying entitled motherfuckers.
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Has nothing to do with this thread really.
 
Neff said:
Used/rental is mainstream and legal, anybody can and does do it.

Console piracy is not. It's far less prominent and less of a drain on console game sales than used/rental is. So many devs have reiterated the same and so many gamers refuse to take responsibility for their actions. We've had too much of a good thing for too long, with a multitude of problems arising from it, and it's about time it was over, honestly.
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Multitude of problems? We?

How exactly does this work?
 
Shinta said:
He is friends with Orth. Not sure what else this could be about. He said he was anti-online pass for Twisted Metal if I'm not mistaken.
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No he's just totally misintepreted the point thats all. Nobody is really saying piracy is ok, people are saying 1 pirated copy != 1 lost sale. That's all it is. Of course Jaffe has to get all pissy and crack the shits.
 
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