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[Azurro]

Because they are still selling and they have better metrics than you.
Fucking hell.

The one thing I'd expect from a company is 'not changing anything'. Like Nintendo, do you that company?

When companies change it is an attempt to be to its benefit. The new Sony executive wants to try to bring some last gen games as a marketing tool so that the PC audience will consider to get a PS5, they have literally stated so. What would be the incentive to get a PS5 if games come to PC in a year or so? Of course it doesn't.

That's why when people spotted the mistaken powerpoint slide and Sony says it was a human error, then we have to consider whether it makes sense to not believe them and think they just leaked it by mistake. Turns out, if you think about their business, it doesn't. All of this "they leaked it!! It's coming to PC!!" is basically just port begging from PCMR people with extra steps...well that, or trolling.

I personally think Sony is wasting their time, as the PCMR people are a different demographic. It spends more time thinking about settings, obsessing over a bit bigger framerate numbers, getting RGB lighting everywhere and buying racing chairs, all in the name of "PowerzZ!!!". It's a waste of time, they won't bother getting a console, but that's just me.

 

[notseqi]

When companies change it is an attempt to be to its benefit. The new Sony executive wants to try to bring some last gen games as a marketing tool so that the PC audience will consider to get a PS5, they have literally stated so. What would be the incentive to get a PS5 if games come to PC in a year or so? Of course it doesn't.

That's why when people spotted the mistaken powerpoint slide and Sony says it was a human error, then we have to consider whether it makes sense to not believe them and think they just leaked it by mistake. Turns out, if you think about their business, it doesn't. All of this "they leaked it!! It's coming to PC!!" is basically just port begging from PCMR people with extra steps...well that, or trolling.

I personally think Sony is wasting their time, as the PCMR people are a different demographic. It spends more time thinking about settings, obsessing over a bit bigger framerate numbers, getting RGB lighting everywhere and buying racing chairs, all in the name of "PowerzZ!!!". It's a waste of time, they won't bother getting a console, but that's just me.

You are about marketing. VFX is in a broader sense talking about technical stuff. Adjust your smarts to a level other people are interested to read, nobody is interested on sliding on your family.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

It absolutely does, Sony PS5 exclusives are not just the units sold of the game themselves, it's a reason for people to get a Playstation. Do you understand why it's so important? Because if someone gets a PS5 due to exclusives like Demon's Souls, then they will also buy on average 10 more games in the lifespan of the console, plus a 30% portion of every single online transaction this customer will ever do plus whatever this particular user spends on PS Plus or PS Now.

Selling on a platform that belongs to a competitor that takes away 30% of your revenue is an absolute pittance compared to what I described above and it's not worth jeopardizing your platform just to earn 25 million in revenue.

Why would Sony decide to release everything on PC and let people know "I'll just get it on PC" and lose their business? To make some insufferable PCMR trolls happy? It makes no sense, so that's why I suggest VFXVeteran to shut up until it happens.

I would still disagree. The PS5 is probably going to be sold at a loss or very close to cost for a while. So they aren't making money off the console. There is nothing to prevent Sony from creating their own market place like EPIC, EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft have done to eliminate the 30% loss of using Steam. So that argument is moot. Add in PC comparable controllers and you also gain market share in the arena as well.

Everything else you argue about, with the exception of your disdain for VetrenVFX, can be easily argued away with increased user base. If 10 million PC gamers buy their games, who would have never bought a console, then all that extra revenue is just a cherry on top. Those who buy the consoles are probably going to buy them regardless of if they have a capable PC or not. And even if they don't they will still be buying their exclusives. The only place Sony would risk losing money would be their cut of 3rd party games released through their store, which PC gamers aren't going to buy on console anyways if PC is their platform of choice.

No matter how you look at it that extra $25+ million dollars could be immense when added up over time or with bigger titles.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Moved to meta gaf

 

[Dolomite]

Can't afford or rationally justify 2 new $500 consoles in the house day one, but hot damn if this game doesn't tempted me to risk it all everytime I see it. Great time to be a gamer

 

[Nickolaidas]

When companies change it is an attempt to be to its benefit. The new Sony executive wants to try to bring some last gen games as a marketing tool so that the PC audience will consider to get a PS5, they have literally stated so. What would be the incentive to get a PS5 if games come to PC in a year or so? Of course it doesn't.

Then what's the incentive on moving to PS5 when two of its supposed exclusives and most hyped games ended up being cross-gen? Wouldn't Sony increase PS5 sales by keeping Miles Morales and Forbidden West PS5-only? And yet they didn't. They literally told their fans to keep waiting and stay on the PS4 by making them cross gen.

I am 99% sure the Demon's Souls 'PC and consoles' thing was not really a typo. It will come to PC - eventually. Maybe in half a year, one year, two years (in order to make the PS fanboys feel better), but it *will* come to PC.

And I'll tell you this: By the end of the PS5 generation, it will no longer have true exclusives, but only console exclusives. Wanna know why?

Because I believe the majority of gamers will not skip a PS console in order to buy a gaming PC. Much more expensive and too much of a hassle for the couch gamer who prefers to avoid the tech stuff and implications a PC brings with it.

A console gamer is a console gamer and while the console gamers will sometimes switch camps (go to MS from Sony and vice versa), the MAJORITY will stay on consoles.

But there are a few gamers who game on pc only, and would really like to play Horizon, God of War or Bloodborne, but not to the point of buying a PS console for those games. THOSE are the people that Sony seems to be targeting now. Those that won't go to a PS console but are willing to buy its exclusives if they come to PC. And those are quite a few. We saw that with Halo and Gears 4. Once they went to Windows, people bought them (or subscribed to Game Pass), which means there were people who wanted to play those games, but not to the point of buying an X-Box.

Those are the people that MS and Sony are after now. Because I think the guys who say they won't buy a PS5 if Bloodborne 2 comes to PC are fewer than the ones who will buy a PS5 whether Bloodborne 2 comes to PC or not.

Or maybe that is how MS and Sony think it is, but it'll end up being wrong and blow up in their faces. We'll see.

 

[Azurro]

You are about marketing. VFX is in a broader sense talking about technical stuff. Adjust your smarts to a level other people are interested to read, nobody is interested on sliding on your family.

For all the supposed smarts of VFXVeteran , he is incapable of having logical thoughts about business decisions, because a mistaken slide seems to trump any rational explanation on why it can't happen. He's too much of an irrational PCMR fanboy, and you seem to be as well.

Then what's the incentive on moving to PS5 when two of its supposed exclusives and most hyped games ended up being cross-gen? Wouldn't Sony increase PS5 sales by keeping Miles Morales and Forbidden West PS5-only? And yet they didn't. They literally told their fans to keep waiting and stay on the PS4 by making them cross gen.

This is a completely different topic, and it doesn't harm the PS eco system to have those titles be cross-gen, while having them on PC does.

I am 99% sure the Demon's Souls 'PC and consoles' thing was not really a typo. It will come to PC - eventually. Maybe in half a year, one year, two years (in order to make the PS fanboys feel better), but it *will* come to PC.

And I'll tell you this: By the end of the PS5 generation, it will no longer have true exclusives, but only console exclusives. Wanna know why?

Because I believe the majority of gamers will not skip a PS console in order to buy a gaming PC. Much more expensive and too much of a hassle for the couch gamer who prefers to avoid the tech stuff and implications a PC brings with it.

A console gamer is a console gamer and while the console gamers will sometimes switch camps (go to MS from Sony and vice versa), the MAJORITY will stay on consoles.

Your beliefs don't matter since Sony has already told everyone that they are bringing some old games to the PC as marketing to get them to buy a PS5. That's literally their intention, nobody cares if they sell a few hundred thousand copies to the PC audience if they harm the PS business and ecosystem.

I wish we could move this topic to something similar to port begging, as that's what you are doing but with extra steps.

I would still disagree. The PS5 is probably going to be sold at a loss or very close to cost for a while. So they aren't making money off the console. There is nothing to prevent Sony from creating their own market place like EPIC, EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft have done to eliminate the 30% loss of using Steam. So that argument is moot. Add in PC comparable controllers and you also gain market share in the arena as well.

Everything else you argue about, with the exception of your disdain for VetrenVFX, can be easily argued away with increased user base. If 10 million PC gamers buy their games, who would have never bought a console, then all that extra revenue is just a cherry on top. Those who buy the consoles are probably going to buy them regardless of if they have a capable PC or not. And even if they don't they will still be buying their exclusives. The only place Sony would risk losing money would be their cut of 3rd party games released through their store, which PC gamers aren't going to buy on console anyways if PC is their platform of choice.

No matter how you look at it that extra $25+ million dollars could be immense when added up over time or with bigger titles.

You guys have a heart attack every time there's a new extra icon on your desktop that isn't Steam, and no alternate marketplace has been successful other than Epic's and that's through literally giving away multiple games every month, hell, even MS is finding it hard and they own the PC platform. It's not worth it. I mean, the amount of crying every time Epic announces they have a timed exclusive is impressive.

I find the topic silly and rooted more in trolling and port begging as Sony has already told everyone what they intend to do, they don't intend to create a new platform on PC.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I wish we could move this topic to something similar to port begging, as that's what you are doing but with extra steps.

... seriously? Dude, did you even BOTHER to look at my avatar? Explaining someone's thought patterns or actions does not automatically mean you are that someone. I love PS and all its iterations, but I won't turn a blind eye in what is slowly creeping forwards.

 

[Azurro]

... seriously? Dude, did you even BOTHER to look at my avatar? Explaining someone's thought patterns or actions does not automatically mean you are that someone. I love PS and all its iterations, but I won't turn a blind eye in what is slowly creeping forwards.

I've been telling you the strategic reasons Sony has expressed behind their decisions to bring some old exclusives to PC, they are attempting to get some PC gamers to get a PS5 to grow their user base. Your avatar doesn't really matter as your beliefs do not line up with Sony's business plan.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I've been telling you the strategic reasons Sony has expressed behind their decisions to bring some old exclusives to PC, they are attempting to get some PC gamers to get a PS5 to grow their user base. Your avatar doesn't really matter as your beliefs do not line up with Sony's business plan.

And in what universe does that make me a 'port begger'? I'ts - ... you know what?

Have a good one.

 

[Azurro]

And in what universe does that make me a 'port begger'? I'ts - ... you know what?

Have a good one.

Because PCMR fans and trolls debating endlessly over this game and other Sony games coming to PC always derails the topic and we have to discuss again and again the same tired posts which are variations of "I want it on my PC".

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

You guys have a heart attack every time there's a new extra icon on your desktop that isn't Steam, and no alternate marketplace has been successful other than Epic's and that's through literally giving away multiple games every month, hell, even MS is finding it hard and they own the PC platform. It's not worth it. I mean, the amount of crying every time Epic announces they have a timed exclusive is impressive.

I find the topic silly and rooted more in trolling and port begging as Sony has already told everyone what they intend to do, they don't intend to create a new platform on PC.

The beauty of owning a gaming PC and both consoles is you don't have the weird blind loyalty that some on here have to a plastic box and a company that doesn't love them back. It allows you to look at this a bit more objectively. I don't need to port beg... I'm not poor, lol.

You can't see the viability of PC releases because you don't want to, simple as that. PC gaming is an untapped market for Sony and a potentially very profitable one, even with using steam. 100 million consoles and 100 million PC users means a much bigger potential to make more money.

Will Sony enter the PC market? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact is they dipped their toe in it whereas they were against it as a whole previously. Personnally I wouldn't be surprised if they did more releases to see how thing performed. I mean you really think the whole PC disclaimer on Demons Souls was an accident? Lol... Right.... Biggest announcement of the show and they flub the trailer.... I don't buy it.

 

[Shubh_C63]

So these are better than Deep Down correct. I mean, look at them.

 

[FunkMiller]

Question from someone whose technical knowledge of Ray Tracing is limited.

If RT provides - amongst other things - real time reflections of the environment, adding to the LOD and fidelity of a game... why is this not RT:



That torch about the mob's head is clearly being rendered in the water to the right of the player's feet.

 

[Caio]

Day one of course, and yes, it looks marvelous.

 

[Quartermaster]

Question from someone whose technical knowledge of Ray Tracing is limited.

If RT provides - amongst other things - real time reflections of the environment, adding to the LOD and fidelity of a game... why is this not RT:



That torch about the mob's head is clearly being rendered in the water to the right of the player's feet.

It depends on the situation. Ray-Trace is a technique that has been known to benefit pretty much everything in still media except real-time applications. In movies it's limitless. A single frame can make use of every feature they can but takes hours to render even at low resolution. This is where render farms come in. In games that's a different story. So imagine devs trying to do their best they can to get close to that level as possible at 30-60 frame per second.

 

[Rien]

Game looks very very good. But I am not a fan of the walk/running animation. Looks off to me

 

[VFXVeteran]

Question from someone whose technical knowledge of Ray Tracing is limited.

If RT provides - amongst other things - real time reflections of the environment, adding to the LOD and fidelity of a game... why is this not RT:



That torch about the mob's head is clearly being rendered in the water to the right of the player's feet.

Pick this up in the Graphics OT. This thread has been derailed.

Graphics Tech | OT

Welcome to the Graphics Tech thread! Let's begin by expressing what this thread is NOT: 1) A screenshot war thread. If you want to post screenshots of a game to show off some graphical prowess, it must be accompanied by factual data and information about the screenshot. Don't just make a...

www.neogaf.com

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

But it was 700k more copies than were sold before it was released to PC. One doesn't have to canabalize the other. I would imagine Horizons sales were at a standstill due to the age of the game. And $25 Million in sales (700k x $50 x 70%) is not a paltry sum, especially on a 3 year old game, who's budget was roughly twice that.

No it was 2.6 million in 10 days and 10 million total on PS4.
Less than 800 thousand in a month on Steam.

Edit:misread

 

[Knitted Knight]

bitbydeath

 

[Golgo 13]

bitbydeath

Cool pics, wonder if there was any new info in the article itself.

 

[Umbral]

That gargoyle shot.

 

[roosnam1980]

looks incredible

 

[Knitted Knight]

That gargoyle shot.

Looks fucking good doesn't it? Imagine the folks playing this game for the first time.

 

[Umbral]

Looks fucking good doesn't it? Imagine the folks playing this game for the first time.

I went back to fire it up on PS3 just for a moment and wow, what an upgrade this is. It's insane. Good on Shu for making it happen and good on Bluepoint for putting in the work.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Don't support this game folks.

Emphasizing visuals over new interesting gameplay mechanics is bad for the industry. It's shallow design used to prey on the weak willed.

#WeHaveAnIndustryToSave

 

[Umbral]

Don't support this game folks.

Emphasizing visuals over new interesting gameplay mechanics is bad for the industry. It's shallow design used to prey on the weak willed.

#WeHaveAnIndustryToSave

If this game could shit, the turds would be better games than most. There's plenty of games more deserving of your focus.

 

[Danjin44]

Don't support this game folks.

Emphasizing visuals over new interesting gameplay mechanics is bad for the industry. It's shallow design used to prey on the weak willed.

#WeHaveAnIndustryToSave

Its remake of already well designed game and we also getting new IP from FROM like Elden Ring.

This game is far from being anything like Order 1886.

 

[mortal]

Don't support this game folks.

Emphasizing visuals over new interesting gameplay mechanics is bad for the industry. It's shallow design used to prey on the weak willed.

#WeHaveAnIndustryToSave

 

[ABnormal]

Game looks very very good. But I am not a fan of the walk/running animation. Looks off to me

That's a really problematic aspect of the remake: the original has those inerthialess walking/running animations, so they allow to change direction instantaneously. To change that, you have to COMPLETELY rebuild the timings and the animations of the enemies. I'm sure they didn't want to risk to blow the key aspect of this game: combat gameplay.
Too big responsibility for them. I understand playing safe, for that aspect.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

If this game could shit, the turds would be better games than most. There's plenty of games more deserving of your focus.

It's a fine game. But after 3 Dark Souls, a Bloodborne, and a Sekiro...the gameplay is stale AF.

Putting 80 human developers on this for 3+ years should be a damn crime.

Let them fly.

 

[RPS37]

I feel like they'll be using this as an excuse to not update Bloodborne for PS5 BC.

 

[iHaunter]

Don't support this game folks.

Emphasizing visuals over new interesting gameplay mechanics is bad for the industry. It's shallow design used to prey on the weak willed.

#WeHaveAnIndustryToSave

Is this a meme? Not sure if you are trolling here.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Is this a meme? Not sure if you are trolling here.

Support original IP.
Support new ideas.
Support risk taking.

This is not a drill. Graphically impressive turds literally hold the industry back. They are a cancer.

 

[roosnam1980]

bitbydeath

parallax occllusion mapping is visible in the the first screenshot

 

[mortal]

This is not a drill. Graphically impressive turds literally hold the industry back. They are a cancer.

Ah you overplayed your hand.

Had me going there for a minute.

 

[THEAP99]

What's up with people on Twitter continuing to downplay this game and calling it a remaster rather than a remake?

 

[Tschumi]

If this is less than 4k60, i think it should be considered an example of why there's nothing wrong with not meeting those requirements if you're making art. We've seen what happens to games designed to achieve 4k60 on two widely disparate systems~

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

What's up with people on Twitter continuing to downplay this game and calling it a remaster rather than a remake?

Is there anything new being added aside from visuals and faster loading time? I don't think the sixth arch is supposed to be in it.

I'm fine with this being an excellent remaster of one of my favorite games of all time.

 

[Knitted Knight]

What's up with people on Twitter continuing to downplay this game and calling it a remaster rather than a remake?

Console war season. Everything flies. You got the best looking next-gen game out there..... envy comes with the territory.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Is there anything new being added aside from visuals and faster loading time?

New weapons, armor sets and rings are being added. I think Bluepoint will revamp the controls too, adding omni directional rolling and other QoL improvements. I believe it will be the same as they did in Shadow of the Colossus, in that you can choose between classic controls and modernized.

 

[NinjaMouse]

Looks fucking good doesn't it? Imagine the folks playing this game for the first time.

this is gonna be me...I've played all the other Souls' games, but only maybe 30 min of this one on PS3. Looking forward to experiencing everything now that I've "figured" them out.

 

[Yoboman]

Is there anything new being added aside from visuals and faster loading time? I don't think the sixth arch is supposed to be in it.

I'm fine with this being an excellent remaster of one of my favorite games of all time.

 

[DavidGzz]

What's up with people on Twitter continuing to downplay this game and calling it a remaster rather than a remake?

Just imagine if it were an Xbox game and the posts you'd make about it. There is your answer lol


It's my most anticipated game but fanboys gonna fanboy.

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

How hard is this game going to be? I played Sekiro and got so frustrated I sold my copy. I REALLY want to get this game because it looks incredible, but I am worried it's too much for me.

 

[Danjin44]

How hard is this game going to be? I played Sekiro and got so frustrated I sold my copy. I REALLY want to get this game because it looks incredible, but I am worried it's too much for me.

If this game is similar to original then magic in the super OP to point of broken but overall I would say it's easier than Sekiro.

 

[KingDankKush]

About time we got some new information on Demons Souls. The game comes out next month.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Support original IP.
Support new ideas.
Support risk taking.

Oh yeah From makes new IP all the time whether it is Souls or Bloodborne or Sekiro or next Elden Ring.

New ideas? Hello? From created a new genre on its own. So many companies are making Souls likes at this point, even Star Wars. They created a paradigm shift.

Risk taking? After Bloodborne instead of making Bloodborne 2 they made Sekiro. After Sekiro they went to work on Elden Ring.

No yearly franchise sequels for them, we get new IPs and new game styles constantly.

Like do you realize From is making a wholly new and original IP right now? And that profits from this game will go to them? Hello? McFly?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Oh yeah From makes new IP all the time whether it is Souls or Bloodborne or Sekiro or next Elden Ring.

New ideas? Hello? From created a new genre on its own. So many companies are making Souls likes at this point, even Star Wars. They created a paradigm shift.

Risk taking? After Bloodborne instead of making Bloodborne 2 they made Sekiro. After Sekiro they went to work on Elden Ring.

No yearly franchise sequels for them, we get new IPs and new game styles constantly.

Like do you realize From is making a wholly new and original IP right now? And that profits from this game will go to them? Hello? McFly?

This is a Demon's Souls thread. Not a From thread.

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

If this game is similar to original then magic in the super OP to point of broken but overall I would say it's easier than Sekiro.

Hmm. Maybe I should pick it up then. It looks amazing.