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[Evander]

True, im not the target of said feature, but it will work for me somehow. Also im buying PSN cards from ebay, its not like used games market, the money is still going to sony, i am even paying for the US taxes plus the ebay seller cut, and in the end it is still much cheaper than importing, and much faster.

sony doesn't make their money when people buy things in stores. Sony makes their money when those stores are running out of product, and order replentishments.

for the most part, ebay sales are supply driven, rather than demand driven, meaning that a dude is selling PSN cards because he has PSN cards to sell, not because folks want PSN cards, so he is ordering them from Sony to supply them. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm talking about the generalities.

 

[Dougald]

Eh... I'll still buy it

But then I bought my PS3 back when it was £400 (and at the exchange rate of the time, $800 or so). What can I say, I like games, and the Go looks awesome!

 

[Evander]

Eh... I'll still buy it

But then I bought my PS3 back when it was £400 (and at the exchange rate of the time, $800 or so). What can I say, I like games, and the Go looks awesome!

By no means am I trying to talk you out of your decision, but I'm curious about your reasoning.

I'm assuming that you already own a PSP 2000 or 3000 here, but even if you don't, the 3000 will still be on shelves at the same time that the Go! is being sold.

So if it's about the games for you, then why would you "upgrade" to a device that can play LESS games?

 

[Superblatt]

By no means am I trying to talk you out of your decision, but I'm curious about your reasoning.

I'm assuming that you already own a PSP 2000 or 3000 here, but even if you don't, the 3000 will still be on shelves at the same time that the Go! is being sold.

So if it's about the games for you, then why would you "upgrade" to a device that can play LESS games?

I've been looking, and haven't been able confirm. Does this indeed mean there will be no way to transfer UMD's to a digital version for use on Go? If so...that's a huge mistake for a company looking to expand the fanbase.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

They want a reasoning for a $80-90 price jump... especially for somethng that has features stripped and not much more than a look upgrade.

Only UMD has been cut. Nothing else. Everything else is added.

Some sort of functionality or way to rip our existing UMDs would be nice.

There have been rumblings that there is going to be a solution to this in stores/kiosks. No idea what yet, if its been dropped, when its coming, but I wouldn't rule it out yet.

As for the analog.... well, the single analog really doesn't work all that well by itself. IT's the only thing since the Dreamcast in 99 to offer a single analog.

Well that or every other portable thats been released/announced short of that homebrew Pandora thing.

 

[Dougald]

Yeah I already have a 2000, but I am also a consumer whore - the Go is a lot smaller so I can actually bring it places, and it mostly just looks cool.

I really think there is a part of me that enjoys getting ripped off :lol

 

[Mooreberg]

So if it's about the games for you, then why would you "upgrade" to a device that can play LESS games?

Well it could be an equal number of games if everything a person could be reasonably interested in owning is put up as digital download (I would at least expect all of Sony's first party stuff to be, along with major third party games). But the problem is that it sounds like there is no way to transfer the contents of a UMD you paid for to the Go's internal storage. I always thought the ditching of PS2 compatibility in PS3's was bad, but this is breaking compatibility within the same[i/] hardware cycle. Between that and price it makes me wonder if this whole DD push is gonna work and help the games sell more legit copies.

 

[Evander]

Well it could be an equal number of games if everything a person could be reasonably interested in owning is put up as digital download

still, at best it is ONLY an equal number

because the older models still do DD

Its not like DSiWare, where you have to upgrade your DS to be able to download the games.

 

[Outcast2004]

Only UMD has been cut. Nothing else. Everything else is added.
.

The screen has been shrunk as well.

 

[Evander]

I've been looking, and haven't been able confirm. Does this indeed mean there will be no way to transfer UMD's to a digital version for use on Go? If so...that's a huge mistake for a company looking to expand the fanbase.

I've seen no credible rumors that they will (only wishful thinking) and I'd imagine that if it was a plan, they'd have announced it by now. Announcing the device without announcing a solution for all the UMDs people own is ALREADY a huge mistake, because of the dismay it causes for some people (personally I'm not too concerned, because I want physical media regardless, so I wouldn't be upgradin either way.)

 

[Evander]

Only UMD has been cut. Nothing else. Everything else is added.

Everything else being bluetooth and 16 gigs of flash memory? Those don't justify the price increase, and features wise, they don't seem to do anything that you can't already do on an older PSP, you'd just have to use a different method.

 

[Outcast2004]

Eh... I'll still buy it

But then I bought my PS3 back when it was £400 (and at the exchange rate of the time, $800 or so). What can I say, I like games, and the Go looks awesome!

....a fool and their money.....

There is absolutely nothing game-wise that the Go can do that the OG PSPS can't already do for a LOT cheaper.

 

[kaching]

The problem is that previous models have the exact same DD functionality.

The kindle is something new. The PSP Go! isn't.

How is that a "problem"? In both cases you have a device strictly focused on digital delivery in contrast to earlier devices and a need to assuage the concerns of business partners who still aren't comfortable transitioning to a new distribution model.

The kindle may be new, but the ebook is not. It's not the device, it's the content format and its distribution model that its intended to drive.

 

[guina]

sony doesn't make their money when people buy things in stores. Sony makes their money when those stores are running out of product, and order replentishments.

for the most part, ebay sales are supply driven, rather than demand driven, meaning that a dude is selling PSN cards because he has PSN cards to sell, not because folks want PSN cards, so he is ordering them from Sony to supply them. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm talking about the generalities.

Are we going to discuss technicalities? hehe. I just said that because i thought you were impling i buy all my games used from ebay, which is not the case. I just buy PSN cards, games i import directly from stores that ship my way.

 

[alterno69]

Damn i was hoping for it to be cheaper, o love the way it looks so it's this or nothing and with Pixeljunk Monsters coming out i don't know if i'll be able to resist.

I had a launch PSP years ago but it was too big and i just felt it wasn't for me so i sold it not long after i bought it but this looks sexy as hell and it's considerably smaller too, i want one. Sucks that it'll pobably retail at $400+ here in Mexico

 

[Evander]

How is that a "problem"? In both cases you have a device strictly focused on digital delivery in contrast to earlier devices and a need to assuage the concerns of business partners who still aren't comfortable transitioning to a new distribution model.

The kindle may be new, but the ebook is not. It's not the device, it's the content format and its distribution model that its intended to drive.

I meant in terms of getting consumers to accept the price.

 

[Dougald]

....a fool and their money.....

There is absolutely nothing game-wise that the Go can do that the OG PSPS can't already do for a LOT cheaper.

I already have the original psp, and my main criticism of it is that its just not portable enough, and lack of internal memory, so that's enough of a reason for me to buy.

Shoulda known going against the gaf hivemind would provoke some people :lol

 

[Jack Random]

Only UMD has been cut. Nothing else. Everything else is added.

what was added? bluetooth and some internal memory?

 

[Evander]

Are we going to discuss technicalities? hehe. I just said that because i thought you were impling i buy all my games used from ebay, which is not the case. I just buy PSN cards, games i import directly from stores that ship my way.

no, I wasn't implying that you buy things used (although I personally support the existence of second hand markets, so even if I had, it wouldn't have been negative)

I was just pointing out that Sony clearly has no interest in making things easy for you, so the level of covenience that a particular device has for you unforetunately has nothing at all to do with Sony's plans.

 

[matticus]

Add 2nd analog and OLED and I'd pay $250.

 

[kaching]

I meant in terms of getting consumers to accept the price.

But the point is that they *aren't* trying to get everyone to accept the price.

 

[Outcast2004]

I already have the original psp, and my main criticism of it is that its just not portable enough, and lack of internal memory, so that's enough of a reason for me to buy.

Shoulda known going against the gaf hivemind would provoke some people :lol

What do you mean it's not "portable" enough... what exactly are you trying to do with it?
The machine itself is pretty damn small as it is.

 

[matticus]

Everything else being bluetooth and 16 gigs of flash memory? Those don't justify the price increase, and features wise, they don't seem to do anything that you can't already do on an older PSP, you'd just have to use a different method.

Agreed, I'm almost positive they are just trying to recoup R&D costs.

 

[Benjamin1981]

So will there be a Mac version of the Media Go software ?

 

[zoukka]

249 was my first prediction days ago.

I'm just that awesome.

Just like the PSP Go is horrible.

 

[depward]

What do you mean it's not "portable" enough... what exactly are you trying to do with it?
The machine itself is pretty damn small as it is.

First you call this guy you're asking the question to a fool... now you're trying to question the reason why he's interested in the Go... dude, let it go.

I have two PSPs, one being a Monster Hunter 2000. And I am seriously considering the Go. Work your magic! :lol

 

[Outcast2004]

Agreed, I'm almost positive they are just trying to recoup R&D costs.

DING DING DING...

And here's your cookie.

Sorry.... I got hungry and had to take a bite

 

[Blablurn]

any infos about the battery life?

 

[Evander]

But the point is that they *aren't* trying to get everyone to accept the price.

Which is why the device will not sell very well.

This is not like a kindle, where there is really no close substitution for cheaper (even other e-readers with a good screen don't have whispernet). In this case, there is another device that does all the same stuff, and accesses all the same networks, for $80 less.

 

[Dougald]

What do you mean it's not "portable" enough... what exactly are you trying to do with it?
The machine itself is pretty damn small as it is.

Put it in my pocket - it's too long (to get in there comfortably). That's the reason I picked up a DS lite

 

[Outcast2004]

First you call this guy you're asking the question to a fool... now you're trying to question the reason why he's interested in the Go... dude, let it go.

I have two PSPs, one being a Monster Hunter 2000. And I am seriously considering the Go. Work your magic! :lol

You've never heard the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted"? Come on now....

Good for you... you bought the same system twice. I'd consider THAT more of a pointless purchase than the Go.

To be fair... I LIKE the PSP, hate the DS. To me the PSP is the much better device and more games that appeal to ME on the PSP. But at the price point and what it offers and takes away at the same time, it's a terrible idea and destined for failure. I'm talking Kamikaze, flaming airplane failure...

 

[fatigues_gasolini]

You've never heard the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted"? Come on now....

Good for you... you bought the same system twice. I'd consider THAT more of a pointless purchase than the Go.

Why do you care so much how people spend their money?

 

[MoogPaul]

ummm...

its only hard because apparently you make it that way. Media Manager and now Media Go! (just new media manager) handles all that.

or it could be that I have a mac. but yeah, what you said.

 

[guina]

no, I wasn't implying that you buy things used (although I personally support the existence of second hand markets, so even if I had, it wouldn't have been negative)

I was just pointing out that Sony clearly has no interest in making things easy for you, so the level of covenience that a particular device has for you unforetunately has nothing at all to do with Sony's plans.

All good.

Oh and BTW, when i said 15 min for a 1GB game, it was over a 802.11b network. On your PC and with better internet connection it will be faster (if the PSN helps), then maybe it will beat you to the store

 

[gcubed]

or it could be that I have a mac. but yeah, what you said.

well then, i apologize, i do not know if the new Media Go supports Macs, i just downloaded it last night.

 

[VGChampion]

Why does anyone care what people want? I like games and I'm still going to pick up the Go because it does luck awesome to me. I don't have many games for it at the moment and I've had a PSP since the 1000 launch. I don't have the 2k or 3k because it looks similar, I want the Go. Same reason I got a DS Lite after a DS and a DSi after the Lite. I like the new hardware.

That and when I'm away from home, it's going to be easier to have a bunch of games with me on the device instead of lugging around my UMD cases. And yes, I do save all my games and like to have physical media but it's just so convenient to have it all on a device so I can play whatever whenever.

And before anyone says I could save money by getting an older system, I don't want them. As I said earlier, they looked similar and offered no reasons to upgrade at the time. Plus, I'm not interested in modding the PSP anymore. I tried it out with 1.5 and all I ended up doing was playing some old ROM's that I already owned. If I'm going to play Super Mario, I'd rather play it on the SNES. Applications for my iPod Touch. No reason to hack it anymore.

 

[Jack Random]

Why does anyone care what people want? I like games and I'm still going to pick up the Go because it does luck awesome to me. I don't have many games for it at the moment and I've had a PSP since the 1000 launch. I don't have the 2k or 3k because it looks similar, I want the Go. Same reason I got a DS Lite after a DS and a DSi after the Lite. I like the new hardware.

That and when I'm away from home, it's going to be easier to have a bunch of games with me on the device instead of lugging around my UMD cases. And yes, I do save all my games and like to have physical media but it's just so convenient to have it all on a device so I can play whatever whenever.

Too bad they didnt take into account the idea that you might want to use those games you keep in those UMD cases of yours.

You're paying $250 to lose all of your games

 

[Cruzader]

Why do you care so much how people spend their money?

This.

Seriously like ppls here shouldnt really give a damn. I think they are pissed it dont have a 2nd nub and touch and a free PSN voucher and HDMI out and tilt function...all under 170 bucks.


Only reason Im gonna get it is b/c:

-PSP1000 is old
-Wifi switch is pissing me off
-not buying a 16GB MS Pro Duo soon
-have barely any UMD discs(less than 10)
-Screen has dead pixels and outdated
-feels too heavy at times
-feel awkward in pocket

PSPgo is such a great thing FOR ME. All im bitching about is lack of info like I said b4.

 

[Evander]

All good.

Oh and BTW, when i said 15 min for a 1GB game, it was over a 802.11b network. On your PC and with better internet connection it will be faster (if the PSN helps), then maybe it will beat you to the store

oh, yeah. I always download my demos and stuff through media manager, because it takes too long otherwise.

 

[VGChampion]

Too bad they didnt take into account the idea that you might want to use those games you keep in those UMD cases of yours.

You're paying $250 to lose all of your games

As I said, I don't have many games on UMD at the moment, just counted them and I have 10. Some of them I can already buy on the PSN store. And I'm not selling away my original PSP so I'm not sure how I'm losing all of my games. If for some reason I wanted to play them again, I'll just turn on my first PSP. I've got a lot of downtime at work / university so if I'm in the mood to play something more than a basic iPod game, I can turn on the new PSP and play any games I had on it.

Actually, one of the only things I'm worried about is button layout. According to the Kotaku article on LBP PSP, they said they kept accidentally pressing square when jumping 1/10 of the time.

 

[kaching]

Which is why the device will not sell very well.

Probably, but not the least bit surprising considering how cautiously Sony has been easing into DD with the PSP all along. It's been baby steps for the past five years, starting with a trickle of downloadable demos, graduating to a trickle of downloadable PS1 culminating in a trickle of full, downloadable PSP games. The PSPGo is them acknowledging a market trend they can no longer afford to brush aside in the portable space. If it just manages to increase total PSP sales incrementally, I wager they'll probably be happy for now.

 

[Evander]

As I said, I don't have many games on UMD at the moment, just counted them and I have 10. Some of them I can already buy on the PSN store. And I'm not selling away my original PSP so I'm not sure how I'm losing all of my games. If for some reason I wanted to play them again, I'll just turn on my first PSP. I've got a lot of downtime at work / university so if I'm in the mood to play something more than a basic iPod game, I can turn on the new PSP and play any games I had on it.

But you could also just put those same games on the old PSP instead of the new PSP, no?

 

[Tobor]

By no means am I trying to talk you out of your decision, but I'm curious about your reasoning.

I'm assuming that you already own a PSP 2000 or 3000 here, but even if you don't, the 3000 will still be on shelves at the same time that the Go! is being sold.

So if it's about the games for you, then why would you "upgrade" to a device that can play LESS games?

Once again you completely misjudge consumer tastes. It's not surprising, how could I expect the guy who still wants hard drives in his mp3 player to understand why a sleeker lighter PSP would be desirable.

 

[Evander]

The PSPGo is them acknowledging a market trend they can no longer afford to brush aside in the portable space.

Except that it is completely unnecessary.

Because A) the trend is still going to take a while longer to reach fruition, and B) their existing device already has all of the technology necessary to meet the needs of that trend.

 

[Jack Random]

This.

Seriously like ppls here shouldnt really give a damn. I think they are pissed it dont have a 2nd nub and touch and a free PSN voucher and HDMI out and tilt function...all under 170 bucks.

perhaps they're bitching because they added nothing at all and just upped the price by 50% while removing compatability with the all software that people have been buying for 5 years.

Not to mention the psp hardware is 5 years old, there's absolutely no excuse for the cost of this device.

 

[Outcast2004]

Once again you completely misjudge consumer tastes. It's not surprising, how could I expect the guy who still wants hard drives in his mp3 player to understand why a sleeker lighter PSP would be desirable.

They will be on the shelves, side by side.
One will be $169 (or lower by that time) and offer a UMD, digital distro, etc, etc.
One will be $249 and offer NO UMD drive (so you can grab a game off the shelf when you buy your system) and looks a little different.

Now be realistic and you tell me which on is going to get picked up first.

Hell, if you REALLY want to stick it to the GO, sit it right next to one of their own $199 bundles that have a game, movie and a memory stick.

Sorry, the GO is destined for failure... by their own hands.

 

[Evander]

Once again you completely misjudge consumer tastes. It's not surprising, how could I expect the guy who still wants hard drives in his mp3 player to understand why a sleeker lighter PSP would be desirable.

What do you say to the two thirds of consumers who still insist on buying physical media for their music, Tobor? Do you tell them that they are ALL wrong?



I want HDDs in my mp3 players because SSDDs can't yet do what I went them to do (be a high enough capacity to meet my needs at a cheap enough price to be affordable.) That's just a personal prefference, though, not an observation on the market as a whole. In terms of DD versus hard copies, well, the numbers show that people still like hard copies, for the time being. Yes, this is trending towards a change, but catering towards that change prematurely would result in a loss of business.

 

[dallow_bg]

Only reason I would get this is SIZE.
I don't take my PSP anywhere because it's just too long.

I have my Micro in my pocket right now, and with a jacket, I'll carry around my DSi.

 

[inner-G]

Evander you are trying REALLY hard. :lol

The new PSP is 50% smaller, sexier, probably looks better (smaller screen), 16GB internal flash, etc. People are going to buy it. You'll save a lot of breath if you don't try to interrogate them all individually.

 

[Chemo]

perhaps they're bitching because they added nothing at all and just upped the price by 50% while removing compatability with the all software that people have been buying for 5 years.

Not to mention the psp hardware is 5 years old, there's absolutely no excuse for the cost of this device.

Which people have been buying all of these UMDs? Outside of people on GAF, I can't think of any. Hell, I own a PSP, and I have one single UMD: Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. PSP software sales are disgustingly low.

You guys can hate on this thing all you want, but there are plenty of people in this thread that are all over the Go, and just about everyone at E3 who's actually gone hands-on with it has serious gadget lust over the device. I'm really trying to figure out exactly why you're all so offended by this... if you think the PSP-3000 is a better machine, stick with that. Or go out and buy one, if you were waiting to see what the Go offered.

Are you pissed because you secretly want one and it's so "expensive"? I can't tell, because the arguments seem to be about how shitty the Go is, but they're all stained with anger and tears.

PS - I love how many people know for a fact this isn't going to sell well. Since you've gone that far into the future, please PM me Final Fantasy XIV beta details, and TGS 09 info. Thanks in advance.