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[NecrosaroIII]

https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/09/proposition-122-colorado-results-psilocybin-mushrooms-2/

AP hasn't called the race, but the gap is widening.

This will make Colorado the second state to decriminalize certain psychedelics. This also paves the way for psychedelic therapy to begin. Most notably MDMA and LSD are still off the table. But this is an incremental change, and I think that's a victory for itself.

The science is increasingly showing the benefits of these substances, particularly psilocybin, LSD, mescaline and MDMA, particularly in theraputic settings. But even if used recreationally, these substances are non-addictive and amongst the safest to use.

 

[Esca]

I've read about them using shrooms to help with depression and they have had good results iirc

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I've read about them using shrooms to help with depression and they have had good results iirc

I think one of the most beautiful uses for them is end of life care. Helping people come to terms with death. But there is also some other exciting uses too, such as treating addiction.

 

[TransTrender]

I hate this idea.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I hate this idea.

Why? I think it's a positive for society. Any tools that help mental help are welcome

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Looks like I’ll be making a trip.

 

[The Book Reader]

I’m not here to shit post or derail the thread, but I’ll share my personal warning about mushrooms.

Be careful when you consume them. Think it through and make sure you’re willing to open that door. You might open a door that you better wished never existed. Mushrooms can definitely change your personality for better or for worse.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I’m not here to shit post or derail the thread, but I’ll share my personal warning about mushrooms.

Be careful when you consume them. Think it through and make sure you’re willing to open that door. You might open a door that you better wished never existed. Mushrooms can definitely change your personality for better or for worse.

Yup. It's definitely something to respect 100%. I can't see how people like using them for recreation personally. When i take them, the introversion is so strong. But that's what I appreciate about it. I get to face my issues

 

[mortal]

Looks like I’ll be making a trip.

 

[SJRB]

If you get the chance: do it.

LSD is a great ride and completely harmless, provided you do it in a controlled environment. Pretty cool experience.

 

[Amiga]

Main tool of cult indoctrination. The Hashasheen(original assassins) used drugs to brainwash their acolytes in secluded mountains. Now the process is coming to a clinic next to you (in a couple of states)

 

[Mistake]

I thought marijuana was a bigger deal between helping veterans out and seizure patients. This I dunno. I feel like too many options might make things more of a mess for society. At least at first, we’ll see

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I thought marijuana was a bigger deal between helping veterans out and seizure patients. This I dunno. I feel like too many options might make things more of a mess for society. At least at first, we’ll see

Marijuana is good for physical pain. Psychedelics are good for emotional pain, such as PTSD.

 

[jshackles]

My state (Oregon) already decriminalized it - and all drugs - a few years ago. It's weird going to the doctor's office and having psilocybin pushed as a treatment for damn near everything now.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

My state (Oregon) already decriminalized it - and all drugs - a few years ago. It's weird going to the doctor's office and having psilocybin pushed as a treatment for damn near everything now.

I should move to Oregon.

 

[The Book Reader]

Marijuana is good for physical pain. Psychedelics are good for emotional pain, such as PTSD.

What if the psychedelic causes the ptsd?

 

[Vestal]

It will take years to re-educate the population on the true effects of Psychedelics. However this is another very good step..

Start rescheduling Psychedelics so that Scientist can reopen the very promising research that got tossed in the 70s once they got outlawed.

 

[TransTrender]

Why? I think it's a positive for society. Any tools that help mental help are welcome

Nah, this will be abused by your usual suspects, allow for more illicit drug proliferation, and more crime with people running around naked and covered in shit, not like there isn't enough of that in Denver already.
There are tons of munchie internet types that will do anything to get a 'script' for this, all paid for by our tax money since they're on state aid, just to promote and make their completely useless lifestyle more comfortable for them while inconveniencing everyone else.
This is coming from someone who likes DMT and uses GHB on the reg.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

It will take years to re-educate the population on the true effects of Psychedelics. However this is another very good step..

Start rescheduling Psychedelics so that Scientist can reopen the very promising research that got tossed in the 70s once they got outlawed.

I think this is the biggest thing we can do. The real wide spread research can begin if it gets downgraded.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

What if the psychedelic causes the ptsd?

This is why responsible use education is so important. Note - Psychedelics rarely cause PTSD, even in the worse trips. But by encourage use in controlled environments and teaching about the importance of set and setting, most bad trips can be avoided. In therapeutic settings, bad trips almost never happen

 

[The Book Reader]

This is why responsible use education is so important. Note - Psychedelics rarely cause PTSD, even in the worse trips. But by encourage use in controlled environments and teaching about the importance of set and setting, most bad trips can be avoided. In therapeutic settings, bad trips almost never happen

What is your source for this if you don’t mind my asking?

 

[NecrosaroIII]

What is your source for this if you don’t mind my asking?

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/psychedelic-therapy-and-bad-trips/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2019.00943/full

It's also discussed in Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind, as well as James Fadiman's "Psychedelic Explorers Guide". Negative emotions can definitely come up, but a proper therapist is able to help work through their experience to prevent escalation, and then integrate the experience

 

[Rival]

I’ve always wanted to take a ski trip.

 

[Slayer-33]

Looks like I’ll be making a trip.

OH my gawd, the user name, the post JESUS HERBERT CHRIST.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

What about Ice, crack, boom, and pow?

 

[Winter John]

Main tool of cult indoctrination. The Hashasheen(original assassins) used drugs to brainwash their acolytes in secluded mountains. Now the process is coming to a clinic next to you (in a couple of states)

Lol. This is what happens when someone gets their education from Ass Creed games. You didn't even get their name right ffs.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Good.

Now make weed legal nationwide.

 

[synchronicity]

I’m not here to shit post or derail the thread, but I’ll share my personal warning about mushrooms.

Be careful when you consume them. Think it through and make sure you’re willing to open that door. You might open a door that you better wished never existed. Mushrooms can definitely change your personality for better or for worse.

Mushrooms can open doors to truths (inner and outer) that may be hard to hold for many, that's true. But for the prepared, for the seeker on the path, they're an incredibly useful tool for facilitating the deconstructing of illusions that needed to be destroyed. We live in a world that is so blind to fundamental things about our nature that have been collectively forgotten. (or purposefully destroyed...) We're much more than rats on an endless consumer treadmill, numbing ourselves to the point that we can't even feel our lives anymore. But peeling back that layer of "the matrix" is not an easy skin to remove for those who wish to remain plugged in.

 

[Amiga]

Lol. This is what happens when someone gets their education from Ass Creed games. You didn't even get their name right ffs.

Hashasheen is the closer pronunciation of حشاشين , not Hashashin.
FYI it is the plural to the single Hashash. In modern slang we call one "muhash'hish".

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Why? I think it's a positive for society. Any tools that help mental help are welcome

Mental help requires doctors and therapy. Not recreational drug use.

But I do agree these things should be legal. Easier to avoid recreational drug users when they can be open about it.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

Mental help requires doctors and therapy. Not recreational drug use.

But I do agree these things should be legal. Easier to avoid recreational drug users when they can be open about it.

I agree. Fortunately this law legalized psychedelic therapy centers

 

[Azurro]

I think one of the most beautiful uses for them is end of life care. Helping people come to terms with death. But there is also some other exciting uses too, such as treating addiction.

We all know 99% of the use of this will be recreationally though. Not a fan of this.

 

[GymWolf]

And weed is still fucking illegal where i live...

 

[Winter John]

Hashasheen is the closer pronunciation of حشاشين , not Hashashin.
FYI it is the plural to the single Hashash. In modern slang we call one "muhash'hish".

I guess we could split hairs on the pronunciation, but the real point here is that there's no actual evidence that they ever used drugs. The one thing we do know is that Hassan I Sabbah was a devout Muslim so it's highly unlikely he was running around brainwashing people with weed

 

[BigDeadFreak]

I first took LSD when I was 14 and a few other times around that age. It was great fun but not in anyway life changing. A few years later (I was 20) my life had started to go wrong for a few reasons. I took LSD again with some friends and had a really introspective experience. It totally changed my life forever.

I think the best way to describe it is that it doesn't forcibly change you, rather it shows you a different path which gives you the option of returning to your old self or going down this new road. I would also say that it allowed me to answer questions to which I'd always known the answer but my thoughts had been clouded by all the psychological crap that you accumulate through life. It felt like LSD was taking me back to my true, unadulterated self which allowed me to pick a path through life which better reflected who I truly am.

Another way of looking at it is that LSD just makes everything seem extremely profound. Therefore, even fairly mundane thoughts appear deeper and more meaningful than they actually are.

Who knows. Either way, I'm a lot better off than I was before I took it. It hasn't always felt that way though and at times I feel like it has made me too stubborn and committed to the path I'd chosen.

Carl Jung said 'Beware of unearned wisdom' which I think is relevant to psychedelics. Another quote I read was 'The best thing about LSD is that it will change your life forever. The worst thing about LSD is that it will change your life forever.'

 

[Amiga]

I guess we could split hairs on the pronunciation, but the real point here is that there's no actual evidence that they ever used drugs. The one thing we do know is that Hassan I Sabbah was a devout Muslim so it's highly unlikely he was running around brainwashing people with weed

They did. The many spawn they have today also use drugs. Houthi in Yemen use Ghat on the thousands of child soldiers they took from their families.
And Sabbah was an Ismaili-offshoot , a different religion. A evil man that created a cult that isolated itself from the main society for the goal of creating an army of suicidal deluded lunatics.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

And weed is still fucking illegal where i live...

I feel your pain man. Same story here. Delta 8 for me until then.

 

[GymWolf]

I feel your pain man. Same story here. Delta 8 for me until then.

Delta what?

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Delta what?

It's a legal, hemp-derived version of THC. You can buy it at your local smoke shop. Same effect.

What Is Delta-8?

Discover the benefits and risks of delta-8 THC, the latest cannabis craze. Learn more about its effects, legality, and where to find it.

www.webmd.com

 

[Punished Miku]

It's a legal, hemp-derived version of THC. You can buy it at your local smoke shop. Same effect.

http://[URL]https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/what-is-delta-8

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The best kept secret out there.

 

[GymWolf]

It's a legal, hemp-derived version of THC. You can buy it at your local smoke shop. Same effect.

What Is Delta-8?

Discover the benefits and risks of delta-8 THC, the latest cannabis craze. Learn more about its effects, legality, and where to find it.

www.webmd.com

Milder high is not gonna cut with my gigantic tolerance.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Milder high is not gonna cut with my gigantic tolerance.

It still works quite well.

 

[Kraz]

They did. The many spawn they have today also use drugs. Houthi in Yemen use Ghat on the thousands of child soldiers they took from their families.
And Sabbah was an Ismaili-offshoot , a different religion. A evil man that created a cult that isolated itself from the main society for the goal of creating an army of suicidal deluded lunatics.

Corruption taking advantage of effects and market access to leverage behavior. It's a bit more difficult to establish an army of suicidal drug lunatics when everyone has access to the drugs through other means with legal protections, health system, economics, education, experience for their own ambitions and without forced indoctrination. If crazy drug cults do unexpectedly repeatedly happen then things can always be investigated and changed. Superstition and concern trolling ain't going to stop people and capitalism.

 

[Davesky]

I don’t like the idea of these types of drugs being normalised, including cannabis. They may have benefits but there is a lot out people out there that don’t have the coping strategies in place to live in modern society and can easily be abused. For every person it might help there others out there with unresolved emotional trauma or addiction issues and can make their problems 10 times worse.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I don’t like the idea of these types of drugs being normalised, including cannabis. They may have benefits but there is a lot out people out there that don’t have the coping strategies in place to live in modern society and can easily be abused. For every person it might help there others out there with unresolved emotional trauma or addiction issues and can make their problems 10 times worse.

I agree that use needs to be responsibly done. However, addiction isn't an issue here. Psychedelics are non addictive. In fact, in many ways they are anti-addictive. Tolerance builds quickly, so even if you want to use them every day you can't because it won't have any effect very quickly.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/classic-psychedelics-arent-addictive

 

[cash_longfellow]

Yep, it’s exciting times. There are several cities in Michigan by me where entheogenic plants are now decriminalized. It’s long overdue. If anyone would like to join the fight, Google “decriminalize nature” and check out their campaigns all across the US right now.

 

[cash_longfellow]

I don’t like the idea of these types of drugs being normalised, including cannabis. They may have benefits but there is a lot out people out there that don’t have the coping strategies in place to live in modern society and can easily be abused. For every person it might help there others out there with unresolved emotional trauma or addiction issues and can make their problems 10 times worse.

I am in agreement with this as far as non natural drugs go, but for cannabis and entheogenic plants, they should absolutely be legal everywhere.
If we are going by your argument, then wouldn’t we have to ban alcohol as well?

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I am in agreement with this as far as non natural drugs go, but for cannabis and entheogenic plants, they should absolutely be legal everywhere.
If we are going by your argument, then wouldn’t we have to ban alcohol as well?

Isn't alcohol the most dangerous drug?

 

[cash_longfellow]

Isn't alcohol the most dangerous drug?

Indeed. That’s my point exactly.

 

[lachesis]

Fentanyl is the most dangerous drug... no?