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Psychedelic substances (mushrooms, DMT, mescaline, ibogane) decriminalization likely to pass in Colorado

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
The main danger with fentanyl is that it's spliced into other drugs. So people are taking it without knowing it, and it's fucking up doses causing overdoses and shit.
 

I_D

Member
The article isn't super detailed, but it's sounding like a good first step.
If I'm reading it correctly, it's looking like the chemicals will be legalized for medical use, as opposed to retail use?




Milder high is not gonna cut with my gigantic tolerance.

It definitely will. Think about weed from ten years ago compared to now. Now's is certainly stronger, but the old stuff will still work just fine if you smoke a bit more of it.

Admittedly, the high isn't quite the same, feeling-wise, as with Delta-9 ('normal' marijuana), but it can be just as strong or stronger than what you're used to.
If you swapped out D8 for your normal D9, and smoked the same amount, you'd feel pretty much the same. I do find that D8 causes more anxiety than D9, but I know others who say the opposite.

THC-0 (Purely synthetic THC) is also legal in most states that allow Delta-8, and THC-0 is significantly stronger than any plant-based weed you're used to.
Be careful if you pursue THC-0, though. I know multiple people who have fainted after smoking too much of it. Even a strong pen-hit is equivalent to a light-dab of standard Delta-9 wax (What many people call 'shatter').
 

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
The article isn't super detailed, but it's sounding like a good first step.
If I'm reading it correctly, it's looking like the chemicals will be legalized for medical use, as opposed to retail use?
Pretty much. You won't be able to walk into a dispo and buy them, but you'll be able to use them in psychedelic therapy facilities. Also, people will be able to grow their own, but won't be able to sell it.
 

Amiga

Member
Corruption taking advantage of effects and market access to leverage behavior. It's a bit more difficult to establish an army of suicidal drug lunatics when everyone has access to the drugs through other means with legal protections, health system, economics, education, experience for their own ambitions and without forced indoctrination. If crazy drug cults do unexpectedly repeatedly happen then things can always be investigated and changed. Superstition and concern trolling ain't going to stop people and capitalism.

I'm not saying this will happen with this law. That was just a joke.

But from my personal experience with the "trip", DMT is very dangerous long term even without addiction. It took me a while to recover. I still feel it in my heart.
 

INC

Member
Big pharma shell companies already have the patent for synthesised versions of these drugs.

Currently these companies have low stock shares, since the drug bill hasn't past, therefore stock prices are low as fuck, since they're useless without the decriminalisation

Invest now, because once the bill passes and the release these patented versions to the public, that stock will sky rocket


You're welcome
 
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Sgt.Asher

Member
I wonder how many of the people against this get piss drunk every Friday. I feel good after a trip, I feel like absolute shit after a night drinking. Alcohol is awful yet is celebrated.
 

FutureMD

Member
Considering alcohol causes 1 in 5 deaths of those 22-49, and 1 in 8 from 20-64, and is legal, there isn't really any good excuse to psychedelics to remain criminalized. Limit access to young kids, of course, provide information for the general public, that too, but at the end of the day adults should have the option to take psychedelics provided it's not causing direct harm to anyone around them (which alcohol sometimes does).
 
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NecrosaroIII

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Considering alcohol causes 1 in 5 deaths of those 22-49, and 1 in 8 from 20-64, and is legal, there isn't really any good excuse to psychedelics to remain criminalized. Limit access to young kids, of course, provide information for the general public, that too, but at the end of the day adults should have the option to take psychedelics provided it's not causing direct harm to anyone around them (which alcohol sometimes does).
Absolute this. No one has ever died from a psychedelic overdose.
 
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Lasha

Member
All this talk of mushrooms opening doors and being some profound emotional experience makes me jealous. I just relax and hallucinate for a few hours before coming down feeling refreshed.
 

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
All this talk of mushrooms opening doors and being some profound emotional experience makes me jealous. I just relax and hallucinate for a few hours before coming down feeling refreshed.

Dosage changes the experience drastically.

Try using using a blindfold and listening to music. It will drive the experience inward
 

Lasha

Member
Dosage changes the experience drastically.

Try using using a blindfold and listening to music. It will drive the experience inward

I dated a hippie which led to trying many permutations of dose and experience. I just fell asleep when attempting the blindfolded Radiohead combo.
 
I used LSD one time, a little after my dog’s death. I was alone and just in my room the whole time. I played Final Fantasy X-2 for part of it. I didn’t hallucinate nor did it feel overly crazy or anything. I thought it was so good. I have nothing bad to say about my experience. It didn’t seem potentially addictive to me, it didn’t give me bad after effects, I wasn’t worried about my mental state while it was in my system, etc.
 

Sgt.Asher

Member
I've never tried to grow mushrooms, but if I had the sterilized substrate and grain bags alone would have cost about 40 dollars.
You can easily make the substrate and sterilize with a pressure cooker/instantpot. The spores yea, harder to get. AND yes good bags are 40, but you get a few
 

Ionian

Member
Did my fair share of drugs in my youth. Never had a bad trip on LSD, sleeping can be an issue though dependent on dose, the most mundane things like looking into a mirror and seeing my face transform into a dragon was trippy and cool as fuck.

Only bad trip I ever had was on micro-dots. Tiny little pellets, far too strong and no way to come down. Terrifying experience. My mates all drank beer and fell asleep leaving Futurama on, felt like I was going insane. You feel the after effect for days.

Funny story, was living in a house and post kept arriving for someone who didn't live there, so I'd open it up in case it was important. Happened all the time, sometimes was emergency shit I'd contact the sender and let them know.

Some idiot in the house obviously found the Silk Road and was sending all sorts, was great, free drugs!

LSD tabs, speed, coke, you name it. All were put to good use. I evicted someone who was being an ass and the post stopped. :(

Fun while it lasted though! :D

(Havn't done drugs in well over a decade, had my fun but just no interest anymore).
 

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
You can easily make the substrate and sterilize with a pressure cooker/instantpot. The spores yea, harder to get. AND yes good bags are 40, but you get a few
I'd be terrified of fucking it up. It's probably easy, but sterilization is such a key part of the process, I'd be worried I'd fuck it up
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
I see a lot of paranoia from soccer moms worrying about their children getting entire mushroom caps in their Halloween bags and irrational fear of getting decapitated by a drug addict.

To be fair, I also see a bunch of idiots and people getting decapitated by drug addicts in the future, too, so

Life is all about options.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I could never do marijuana or hallucinogenics. I have severe anxiety and even small hits of marijuana will put me into a fetal position.

Unfortunately, it's a very unpopular opiates are the ones that make me feel the best or even stuff like Xanax. I won't do any hard drugs beyond that and even alcohol which I used to like, I can't do much of any more because of how sick I feel the day after.
 

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
Look at it this way, do you trust yourself or the sketchy ebay seller?. Also, fucking up is a good way to learn.
There are reliable sources, but that reliability comes at a price for sure. If I were to be growing I would definitely want to learn how to do it myself eventually, but I would want to gain confidence first
 

Chronicle

Member
When I was young I used to pick my own magic mushrooms. The trips were strong and for the most part not overly enjoyable and sometimes just down right not good. I think they made me more depressed than not. Not sure about dmt and peyote. My older brother got into peyote, lsd and all that crap. It fried his brain and it did not help anything. He is bipolar now perhaps schizophrenic. Be careful with this.
We are depressed because we are not supposed to live in this complicated manner. Pills most likely will never be a be-all-end-all solution to our issues. You must change your lifestyle. Start by get as far away from social media as possible.
 

JCK75

Member
Everything that needs to be said about the stupidity of what laws get passed.. they will legalize these drugs but you can't buy wine in a grocery store there.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Everything that needs to be said about the stupidity of what laws get passed.. they will legalize these drugs but you can't buy wine in a grocery store there.
There's a bit of nuance about how people voted regarding the wine in grocery stores:
If it was just that on the voter ballot, I think it probably would have passed. Problem was there were 2 other ballots regarding alcohol. One was that it would remove restrictions on how many big chain stores could open in the state and another was allowing for things like Uber Eats to deliver alcohol. Taken as a whole, people largely saw it as a big push for large corporate chains that would drown out the local mom and pop stores and the voter result was a massive rebuke against all of it.

As for the psilocybin and psilocin, I think that was just more that people agreed that there could be benefits to it if it's done under a professional setting and monitored by medical staff which was the focal point of that particular measure.
 
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GeorgioCostanzaX

Gold Member
I first took LSD when I was 14 and a few other times around that age. It was great fun but not in anyway life changing. A few years later (I was 20) my life had started to go wrong for a few reasons. I took LSD again with some friends and had a really introspective experience. It totally changed my life forever.

I think the best way to describe it is that it doesn't forcibly change you, rather it shows you a different path which gives you the option of returning to your old self or going down this new road. I would also say that it allowed me to answer questions to which I'd always known the answer but my thoughts had been clouded by all the psychological crap that you accumulate through life. It felt like LSD was taking me back to my true, unadulterated self which allowed me to pick a path through life which better reflected who I truly am.

Another way of looking at it is that LSD just makes everything seem extremely profound. Therefore, even fairly mundane thoughts appear deeper and more meaningful than they actually are.

Who knows. Either way, I'm a lot better off than I was before I took it. It hasn't always felt that way though and at times I feel like it has made me too stubborn and committed to the path I'd chosen.

Carl Jung said 'Beware of unearned wisdom' which I think is relevant to psychedelics. Another quote I read was 'The best thing about LSD is that it will change your life forever. The worst thing about LSD is that it will change your life forever.'
I think this is why I’m more on board with legalizing naturally occurring substances like shrooms and weed first followed by careful study of anything artificial like LSD or speed: opiates should probably be legal and maybe cocaine too but they’re heavily processed to get the narcotic effect. Natural chemicals are one thing something made in a lab needs to be tightly regulated so people don’t get into trouble.
 
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NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
Everything that needs to be said about the stupidity of what laws get passed.. they will legalize these drugs but you can't buy wine in a grocery store there.
Psychedelics are safer and less damaging than alcohol. They're also nonaddictive
 

Sgt.Asher

Member
Psychedelics have been legal far longer(all throughout human history) than illegal (approximately 50 years). So get the fuck out of here saying this will ruin society.
 
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