SweetDonuts
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Makes sense.
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Psychology Today: less intelligence = more religious. GAF prepares Fedoras
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JayVoDaKing
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ohhhh yeahhhhh !!!!!!!
If either one of them was alive, when I was born.
I would've.
Saying it was from his grandmas chain email is insulting to his grandma if nothing else. But hey, you seem to have worked yourself up over a simple image macro as well, you have overthought this by a significant margin.
What?
youngwerther
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dat atheist intelligence
Majmun
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I'm not even atheist.
America looks like a third world country in some parts. You can't find such situations in Scandinavia, Japan, Zwitserland or Holland.
America looks like a third world country in some parts. You can't find such situations in Scandinavia, Japan, Zwitserland or Holland.
TheRagnCajun
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It looks like the study was restricted to America, if that means anything to you.
The US is one of the wealthiest countries in the world by any objective measure. Its per capita GDP is larger than any of those you listed.
Sutton Dagger
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I think he means the 'standard of living' or 'quality of life' index, in which many countries rate higher than the US. This is getting off topic though.
teruterubozu
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I don't know about the other places, but you can definitely find plenty of instances of poverty in Japan.
But you also have massive inequality within a few miles, i.e Detroit and Oakland County. Particularly in my example, the latter wants nothing to do with the former outside of sports teams and concerts.
youngwerther
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crazygambit
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More interesting than the "intelligence" difference, which could be explained any number of ways, I found this:
Basically the more you know about religion and more specifically the more you know about Christianity, the less likely you are to practice it. That's a much more interesting finding IMO (and very much inline with my own experience with religion).
Basically the more you know about religion and more specifically the more you know about Christianity, the less likely you are to practice it. That's a much more interesting finding IMO (and very much inline with my own experience with religion).
I was trying to say that we are brought up in certain way, and since most people are brought up as religious, they need to exercise a certain degree of critical and broad thinking to get out of that paradigm and see the world in a different way (as evident by your and my cases).
My point is that atheists are not smarter because they are atheists, they are smarter because they were capable of breaking out of the system of thought that they used to believe to be absolute true for so many years.
And that's why the reverse situation interests me: if kids were brought up as strict atheists and religiosity was a minority, would we see the opposite results? That is, would we see a positive correlation between religiosity and intelligence?
I made a bold assumption here: most people are brought up in a religious way. I based this assumption on the fact that most of the world population is religious, so it makes sense that, on average, religious people bring up their kids in a religious manner.
Since on topic would any gaffers wanna help?
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https://stusurvey.mdx.ac.uk/liferoles_pl_p
Any help would be appreciated when it asks for student number just skip those questions
DoktorEvil
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What kind of Christians have you spent your life around that believe all of the above?
rudieboy77
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When my parents forced me to go to the Pentecostal church I heard the preacher tell the congregation that the follower of satan will know the Bible better than you. This fellow was giving them an excuse to be ignorant. I never believed in god and they knew it so I was not liked there. I asked them once if god had got the ball rolling on evolution, that was an unpopular statement.
Abstruse Moose
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Seems fairly obvious. Intelligent people probably tend to have more scientific knowledge than people of lesser intelligence.
Scientific knowledge lays down the rules of how things work. If you hear something that doesn't fit within those rules, then it's likely not credible. Though it's still important to not dismiss everything, as we are only human, and there is still much we don't know.
But nonsense like Adam and Eve, the tower of babel, the earth being 6000 years old, etc goes against everything we have learned as a civilization.
Scientific knowledge lays down the rules of how things work. If you hear something that doesn't fit within those rules, then it's likely not credible. Though it's still important to not dismiss everything, as we are only human, and there is still much we don't know.
But nonsense like Adam and Eve, the tower of babel, the earth being 6000 years old, etc goes against everything we have learned as a civilization.
super-heated plasma
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Obviously it taught you humility as well.
IQ isn't at all measured in knowledge, though.
Abstruse Moose
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Of course not. IQ isn't really a good measure of intelligence anyway. All I'm saying is that people who have more intelligence are more likely to pursue knowledge.
There's nothing inherently judgemental or close-minded about atheism as you seem to want to put it. That's entirely on yourself as an individual. Oh and as someone already pointed out, it kinda seems like you haven't left these properties of you behind as successfully as you think.
From the old Wikipedia since I can't be bothered going deeper:
So they're just hypocrites who haven't yet figured out this novel concept of the separation of church and state.
Yes I know a large percentage aren't religious and that Finland's not Scandinavian, but I'm an equal opportunity discriminator.
/rant
Chainsawkitten
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Those numbers are inflated as until some years ago, being born to parents of whom one was in the Church of Sweden automatically made you a member of the Church of Sweden and you had to explicitly request to leave it, which many simply can't be bothered to do, even if they don't believe and never go to church.
The thing with Scandinavian countries is that most of the people simply respect the church because it's been a part of their culture for so long. Most of the people who claim to be members of the church actually don't believe in Christianity. And I'm pretty sure they don't give the church any significant power in regards to the government.
Fury Sense
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Are you a bot?
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
'Twas but a joke regarding euphoric fedora wearers. The capital AND didn't give it away?
Chainsawkitten
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Plus, many would like to have a traditional wedding/funeral even if they don't believe. Because tradition.
I know I was just ranting.
I know because I lived there and am from there, but you still pay church taxes as a member so in fact you do to a degree.
Now back to arguing about fedoras.
questionmark
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Don't know about the Church of Sweden, but I believe you automatically become a member of the Church of Norway when you are born if any of your parents are members. It doesn't cost anything and it doesn't do anything. Many people probably don't even realise they are members of the Church of Norway, nor care even if they do. You gotta send a letter or some shit to get out.
I'm always hesitant about these studies because inevitably it points to minority groups (specifically black and Latino, who are more religious) being less intelligent than whites and Asians. IQ is fairly meaningless and says a lot more about a white, middle class education than it does about innate smarts.
dragonelite
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Basically how i became an atheist or more someone that is not a fan of organized religion.
I can't really be bothered to check the whole article, and I guess the conclusion could be true to some extent... But this part puzzled me:
"The authors estimated that the average difference in IQ points between believers and nonbelievers ranged from 6.2 for non-college samples to 7.8 for college samples. This difference is roughly half a standard deviation in size, so this represents a reasonably substantial effect rather than something trivial."
Half a standard deviation? That would imply that their sample size is miniscule, and that it is actually opposite to what the article claims: it would present trivial, insignificant variation.
"The authors estimated that the average difference in IQ points between believers and nonbelievers ranged from 6.2 for non-college samples to 7.8 for college samples. This difference is roughly half a standard deviation in size, so this represents a reasonably substantial effect rather than something trivial."
Half a standard deviation? That would imply that their sample size is miniscule, and that it is actually opposite to what the article claims: it would present trivial, insignificant variation.
Sub_Level
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There is no cognitive dissonance. Intelligence is based off of seeing logic and having reason. Religion is based off of faith.
phillipgessert
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How do you quantify religiosity? Tests exist for intelligence but 'how religious am I' would seem to be a subjective judgment a person makes about themselves.
For Finland I can say that the church did a study in 2011 and 27% of people believed in the christian god.
It's just that we are most often made members of the church as babies and you have to quit it yourself. Parents do the tradition of giving a name at the baptism and then we are members.
It's just that we are most often made members of the church as babies and you have to quit it yourself. Parents do the tradition of giving a name at the baptism and then we are members.
He's probably referring to the cognitive dissonance of using evidence for believing X but not needing evidence for believing Y. In other words, picking and choosing what counts and does not count.
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