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[Swamped]

so am i understanding CCS's role and that scum can either kill or infect or both?

The way I understand it:

Level 1 (feral) - can only kill ("kill without warning")
Level 2 - can pass on the virus. I am unsure if they can also kill or not.

?

I'm pretty sure Natiko said he didn't want the power and has rescinded his bid for being Director.

Oh, I was under the impression that he still wanted it:

I've already stated I think I'm the safest choice, but given the response it seems clear that's unlikely to happen. I'm still open to receiving it but I'm not going to keep pushing when the rest aren't considering what I've said.

It's actually amazing how invisible he is given his high post count. And most of his posts have been pretty useful so far. So that's why I'm currently voting for him. Also it did seem like he really wanted it.

 

[Sawneeks]

Why wouldn't you vote for me if you believe me? It's two extra town votes forever

Because I don't trust your lynch choices. Sorry.

You saying that last sentence goes against your other theory that Karkador is telling the truth about being the only scum? Which is it?

Also, I'm not playing the same as Zelda mafia, haven't made a mistake once yet! B)

I believe that we have only 1 Scum, HOWEVER until we get hard evidence that proves this I'm considering others as well. Always good to keep your options open just in case you are wrong.

Also, hush. No talking about other currently on going games.

Oh, I was under the impression that he still wanted it:


It's actually amazing how invisible he is given his high post count. And most of his posts have been pretty useful so far. So that's why I'm currently voting for him. Also it did seem like he really wanted it.

I think I'll go ahead and rescind my attempt to become Director.

Although he does say later, in the quote you mentioned, that he still feels he is the safest choice but doesn't think he will get elected. So I think it's more 'I won't actively ask for Director but I'll take it'?

 

[CCS]

Because I don't trust your lynch choices. Sorry.


I believe that we have only 1 Scum, HOWEVER until we get hard evidence that proves this I'm considering others as well. Always good to keep your options open just in case you are wrong.

Also, hush. No talking about other currently on going games.





Although he does say later, in the quote you mentioned, that he still feels he is the safest choice but doesn't think he will get elected. So I think it's more 'I won't actively ask for Director but I'll take it'?

I'll promise to lynch whoever you tell me to, you can be my brain

 

[Swamped]

I'll promise to lynch whoever you tell me to, you can be my brain

You're very quick to trust! You're almost talking like you know Sawneeks is town...but how could you possibly know that?!

 

[Swamped]

Although he does say later, in the quote you mentioned, that he still feels he is the safest choice but doesn't think he will get elected. So I think it's more 'I won't actively ask for Director but I'll take it'?

Vote for Natiko with me. You can't vote for yourself anyway.

 

[CCS]

You're very quick to trust! You're almost talking like you know Sawneeks is town...but how could you possibly know that?!

I wasn't being entirely serious

 

[Natiko]

I actually fully believe CCS, his description of it checks out. That being said I don't trust him at all to make wise decisions. You wear your heart on your sleeve too much amigo.

To clarify since there were some questions about it - Yes, I will still accept the Director role but I'm done actively bidding for it. Even with this newest info I standby by my previous statements.

 

[CCS]

I don't even mind not voting. Just let me sit in the big chair

 

[Sawneeks]

I'll promise to lynch whoever you tell me to, you can be my brain

While it's a tempting offer this is kinda the reason why I won't be voting for you. Director has too much vote presence to just be sheeping others.

You're very quick to trust! You're almost talking like you know Sawneeks is town...but how could you possibly know that?!

The Force told him.

Vote for Natiko with me. You can't vote for yourself anyway.

I probably will but it's still early and I want to hear from others still. Count me for Director Natiko though.

I do agree with Exo that everyone should have a vote down today even though we aren't lynching. I still feel I'm the best choice but since self-voting doesn't count I'll vote for who I feel will use the role well.

 

[acohrs]

I don't even mind not voting. Just let me sit in the big chair

Still no lover

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote for me, let's Make Mafia Great Again

 

[Kalor]

I see no reason not to believe CCS. Claiming effectively renders their bulletproof nature useless but I can see why they thought that makes them a natural Director candidate.

I don't think I gave my thoughts on Kark. I don't think we should give him the director role. I think they have another reason for wanting the role but I have no idea what that is. Giving it to him means that we could remove the role tomorrow when we lynch him but CCS's claim gives us no reason to try that anymore. Better to give the role to an immune player than an infected player.

 

[Ourobolus]

At this point I think I'm "comfortable" voting for CCS for Director. Hopefully we can get more information tomorrow.

CCS - right now, who are your top town?

 

[Kawl_USC]

CCS, continuing your path of misguided claims I see.

Which is to say...ugh...that I believe you probably aren't lying.

Blah that felt nasty coming out.

If you're telling the truth that seems to be a secondary verification of the theorized level 1/level 2 dichotomy.

But that's also to say you'll get a director vote from me on the other side of hell.

Vote: Natiko

Falls into the group of people who I trust to play analytically enough, while also someone I wouldn't feel hesitant to lynch (ouro, sawneeks)

I'm hoping that the night actions prove illuminating and that day 2 is a more fruitful endeavor beyond the pissing in the wind of mechanics guessing.

I'd like to hear more people's opinions regarding positive/negative utility of the director as that's one of the few things we have solid info on at the moment.

 

[acohrs]

Vote for me, let's Make Mafia Great Again

At this point I think I'm "comfortable" voting for CCS for Director. Hopefully we can get more information tomorrow.

CCS - right now, who are your top town?

That was a quick change in policy!

 

[CCS]

At this point I think I'm "comfortable" voting for CCS for Director. Hopefully we can get more information tomorrow.

CCS - right now, who are your top town?

Sawneeks and Kawl, because they've both posted quite a lot of serious discussion which has been useful without ever seeming like they know more than they should.

To a less extent Natiko, who seems to be in just the sweet spot of putting themselves forward without pushing too hard that they seem like town rather than coasting scum or active scum.

 

[Ourobolus]

That was a quick change in policy!

The Administration has decided that we will be on all sides of all issues

 

[CCS]

CCS, continuing your path of misguided claims I see.

Which is to say...ugh...that I believe you probably aren't lying.

Blah that felt nasty coming out.

If you're telling the truth that seems to be a secondary verification of the theorized level 1/level 2 dichotomy.

But that's also to say you'll get a director vote from me on the other side of hell.

Vote: Natiko

Falls into the group of people who I trust to play analytically enough, while also someone I wouldn't feel hesitant to lynch (ouro, sawneeks)

I'm hoping that the night actions prove illuminating and that day 2 is a more fruitful endeavor beyond the pissing in the wind of mechanics guessing.

I'd like to hear more people's opinions regarding positive/negative utility of the director as that's one of the few things we have solid info on at the moment.

Surely if you believe me then if you give me director it's pure positive. I know you may not think so but I do actually base my decisions on reason rather than insane ocelot god logic, so I can always be persuaded if the arguments are good enough.

 

[Ourobolus]

Sawneeks and Kawl, because they've both posted quite a lot of serious discussion which has been useful without ever seeming like they know more than they should.

To a less extent Natiko, who seems to be in just the sweet spot of putting themselves forward without pushing too hard that they seem like town rather than coasting scum or active scum.

Thank you.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Surely if you believe me then if you give me director it's pure positive. I know you may not think so but I do actually base my decisions on reason rather than insane ocelot god logic, so I can always be persuaded if the arguments are good enough.

I put the odds of you telling the truth probably around 75% in my mind. The remaining 25% plus my previously stated...disagreement with your decision process/behavior leaves me believing that it remains a negative utility even in light of your claim.

 

[CCS]

I put the odds of you telling the truth probably around 75% in my mind. The remaining 25% plus my previously stated...disagreement with your decision process/behavior leaves me believing that it remains a negative utility even in light of your claim.

Fair enough.

In that case I can see Nat as a good pick, good player and wouldn't want to lynch but would be willing to if necessary.

 

[Sawneeks]

At this point I think I'm "comfortable" voting for CCS for Director. Hopefully we can get more information tomorrow.

CCS - right now, who are your top town?

You know, you're less involved than I thought you would be.

Also you feeling okay? Director CCS?? I think you may need to lay down.

Surely if you believe me then if you give me director it's pure positive. I know you may not think so but I do actually base my decisions on reason rather than insane ocelot god logic, so I can always be persuaded if the arguments are good enough.

Which is exactly the problem. I've seen what you have done in Pop and you have an inherent trust in other players than can be ( and has been ) used to exploit you in Scum's favor. It's possible that you will change up your style now and do more research on your end to come to a lynch choice but, as of right now, I'm more comfortable picking someone with a more analytical track record.

 

[Ourobolus]

You know, you're less involved than I thought you would be.

Also you feeling okay? Director CCS?? I think you may need to lay down.

I've had a rough morning - car broken into, shit at work, my laptop keyboard for some reason only wants to let me use the numbers 5 and 6...

Anyway we're still just twisting in the wind with the mechanics of the game. I'm willing to give CCS the benefit of the doubt right now, provided he votes in concert with others.

 

[Burbeting]

That role claim CCS did seems out-right broken at this stage. You cannot be night-killed or infected? That would make you invincible.

 

[CCS]

That role claim CCS did seems out-right broken at this stage. You cannot be night-killed or infected? That would make you invincible.

I AM A GOD!!!

But seriously, that is how I interpret my PM. I posted the actual description last page (I think it was last page) so if other people have a different idea of what it means let me know

 

[franconp]

I'm OK giving the Director to Natiko. I would prefer someone less contributive but he is really hard to read so I wouldn't have a problem lynching him.

Also I don't understand giving Sawneeks the role. What made the people who voted her choose her?

She tried to give the role to Kark, she was the one who said the possibility of a full team of scum which would make even worse to give the role to Kark as we could be giving scum a third of the votes day 2. Even her timing seems wrong. She didn't wanted the job and tried to give it to Kark. When everyone decided that Kark would be a bad choice she gets nominated, accept the nomination and propose herself as the Director. Anyone else find this weird? I just don't understand.

 

[acohrs]

That role claim CCS did seems out-right broken at this stage. You cannot be night-killed or infected? That would make you invincible.

I have a feeling CCS might not be interpreting his role correctly, it wouldn't be the first time he interpreted something incorrectly eh Burb?

 

[CCS]

I have a feeling CCS might not be interpreting his role correctly, it wouldn't be the first time he interpreted something incorrectly eh Burb?

Don't remind me

 

[Karkador]

FYI, but seeing as how I'm Lynch Candidate #1 tomorrow, anybody you make the Director is going to easily sneak past tomorrow.

 

[Swamped]

These people need to post more (you know who you are, but I'm prodding you anyway )

1. LP
2. Exmachina
3. 11037
4. Seath

There's a reason why you all should

 

[Karkador]

EKG machines chime in the distance

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[acohrs]

I'm OK giving the Director to Natiko. I would prefer someone less contributive but he is really hard to read so I wouldn't have a problem lynching him.

Also I don't understand giving Sawneeks the role. What made the people who voted her choose her?

She tried to give the role to Kark, she was the one who said the possibility of a full team of scum which would make even worse to give the role to Kark as we could be giving scum a third of the votes day 2. Even her timing seems wrong. She didn't wanted the job and tried to give it to Kark. When everyone decided that Kark would be a bad choice she gets nominated, accept the nomination and propose herself as the Director. Anyone else find this weird? I just don't understand.

I started the voting for Saw based on the logic that she was the one person at the time not to want the role when it wasn't seen in a negative light. Things have admittedly changed since then, but I still feel that Saw would be a good choice. I have no problem with Natiko being elected though. Just please no Kark or CCS, no offence buddy

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote: CCS

Let's just burn this bridge and get it over with

 

[Sawneeks]

Also I don't understand giving Sawneeks the role. What made the people who voted her choose her?

Because I'm a charming and likeable individual? ?

She tried to give the role to Kark, she was the one who said the possibility of a full team of scum which would make even worse to give the role to Kark as we could be giving scum a third of the votes day 2. Even her timing seems wrong. She didn't wanted the job and tried to give it to Kark. When everyone decided that Kark would be a bad choice she gets nominated, accept the nomination and propose herself as the Director. Anyone else find this weird? I just don't understand.

Uh, did you miss the part where I said multiple times that if we elect Kark as Director it's ONLY because we are lynching him tomorrow? I want to get rid of BOTH Kark and the Director role since I think both are bad. There is no scenario where we elect Kark and then let him do whatever he wants. He's getting lynched tomorrow and I don't think that was ever in question, I just proposed we throw the Director role on him so we can throw that out at the same time.

I jokingly proposed myself as Director long before I made the post to lynch Director Kark. I even clarified to Kawl that I didn't really want the role but would accept it since the only person I trust right now is myself.

I can get you quotes and everything if you want.

 

[Karkador]

Uh, your self-nomination did not sound like a joke, Sawneeks

 

[franconp]

Because I'm a charming and likeable individual? ?



Uh, did you miss the part where I said multiple times that if we elect Kark as Director it's ONLY because we are lynching him tomorrow? I want to get rid of BOTH Kark and the Director role since I think both are bad. There is no scenario where we elect Kark and then let him do whatever he wants. He's getting lynched tomorrow and I don't think that was ever in question, I just proposed we throw the Director role on him so we can throw that out at the same time.

I jokingly proposed myself as Director long before I made the post to lynch Director Kark. I even clarified to Kawl that I didn't really want the role but would accept it since the only person I trust right now is myself.

I can get you quotes and everything if you want.

All of us want to lynch Kark. I have been saying it as soon as he claimed but giving the role to him? That's nuts. We don't need if we can even lynch him the next day.

Let's say that there really is a team of 4 infected and Kark is a part of that team. We just gave them 2 extra votes to them so they would have 6. If they have an Override or something that could prevent a lynch we could be in a lot of trouble. It doesn't make sense to give the role to Kark never!!!!

 

[Sawneeks]

Uh, your self-nomination did not sound like a joke, Sawneeks

Don't listen to this man.

I wanted to be Director. :c

I would like to make my run official.

Got to give me a bit to make a snazzy slogan tho

Exactly.

And while I've been in full shitposting-with-a-side-of-serious mode, if I'm being fully honest I do not want to be Director. It sounds fun but I don't trust my reads well enough for that kinda of power yet at the same time I trust the rest of you even less so I would feel better if I received it until I get a better read on people.

I should clarify and say it was mostly shit post with a side of 'well it seems fun'.

 

[franconp]

I should clarify and say it was mostly shit post with a side of 'well it seems fun'.

But as soon as we decided that we didn't want to follow you quest to give the role to Kark it seemed a good idea to accept the role. I don't buy it. I don't like the idea to give you the role when we don't know Kark's PM.

 

[Karkador]

Let's say that there really is a team of 4 infected and Kark is a part of that team. We just gave them 2 extra votes to them so they would have 6. If they have an Override or something that could prevent a lynch we could be in a lot of trouble. It doesn't make sense to give the role to Kark never!!!!

Town has 19 players right now. Even if I had a team of 4 right now (I don't), Town would be at 16 players. Even if 8 players died tonight, Town would still have enough to beat that.

 

[TheExodu5]

Why is anyone believing CCS's role claim? It sounds completely broken.

 

[Karkador]

And I wouldn't be fighting hard for a trifling 3 votes if I had an override

 

[CCS]

Why is anyone believing CCS's role claim? It sounds completely broken.

Hey, I don't understand either. Would kind of like some help from people to work out if I'm interpreting it right.

 

[Swamped]

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LOL

 

[franconp]

Town has 19 players right now. Even if I had a team of 4 right now (I don't), Town would be at 16 players. Even if 8 players died tonight, Town would still have enough to beat that.

I also think there is only one infected too. The scum team was Sawneeks.

If that's true town would be 16 players (not counting a neutral). If you can kill and infect someone this night phase it would be 14 players and 5 scum (7 votes). If you can override you can lynch a townie so we start day 3 with 3 less townies and an extra scum: town 11 vs 6 scum (8 votes). I don't like that math.

But let's go with your claim. You said that the infected grow exponentialy. So we have 19 townies and 1 infected. If there is a Night kill and a infection giving you the role would mean 17 townies and 2 infected (4 votes). If we can't lynch you the next day and infected grew exponentialy we would have 14 townies vs 4 infected (6 votes). I don't like that math either.

 

[Sawneeks]

All of us want to lynch Kark. I have been saying it as soon as he claimed but giving the role to him? That's nuts. We don't need if we can even lynch him the next day.

Let's say that there really is a team of 4 infected and Kark is a part of that team. We just gave them 2 extra votes to them so they would have 6. If they have an Override or something that could prevent a lynch we could be in a lot of trouble. It doesn't make sense to give the role to Kark never!!!!

Do you believe the Director is a positive utility or a negative utility?

But as soon as we decided that we didn't want to follow you quest to give the role to Kark it seemed a good idea to accept the role. I don't buy it. I don't like the idea to give you the role when we don't know Kark's PM.

Dang, looks like they got us Kark. Our plan to get you elected is now ruined.

And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for Town. And your Fran, too!

Spoiler

I'm being terribly sarcastic if you can't tell

 

[Ourobolus]

Screw this, I'm not going to hide like a coward.

I should be director. Why?

Because I'm perfect for it.

Why?

Because I'm town. But that's not enough.

So why?

I am bulletproof. I cannot be infected. According to my role PM, I am immune to Araxia and can heal from death. I can only die in the incinerator (which I assume is lynching).

Who am I?

I am a mutant. I was a scientist, but an experiment went wrong (or right?). I was working with the other scientists to try and make use of my mutation when the quarantine began.

I CAN SAVE YOU. I CAN SAVE YOU ALL. TRUST ME. PLEASE.

The description was:

You can self-heal from most injuries including death. You're also immune to Araxia. I wouldn't test my luck in the incinerator though...

That's how I read it.

Why won't you guys let me help you?

Here's what CCS posted.

- Is a "Mutant," supposedly aligned with Town
- Is BP, to some extent - un-NK-able seems pretty OP though
- Is immune to Araxia, so presumably cannot be recruited or however the fuck this works
- Can be lynched

If we have a vig with more than one shot, I think CCS is a good choice to test the BP theory. Worst case there is that we lose the triple vote, which shouldn't be something we rely on anyway. Scum might not want to waste a NK on CCS anyway since he is claiming BP, and even if we end up losing two people during N1, hopefully we can put the nail in this issue at least.

Should he survive the night, I think we'll have to play it by ear. If we can get a scum lynched tomorrow, then I'll be a little less wary, although the chances of it are slim due to the number of people still in the game. Obviously if someone can confirm him, that would be great too.

 

[Ourobolus]

Fran, am I still in cahoots with Kark and Saw

I just want to know who I should be playing ball with

Saw, Kark, remember what we discussed in our chat

 

[franconp]

Do you believe the Director is a positive utility or a negative utility?



Dang, looks like they got us Kark. Our plan to get you elected is now ruined.

And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for Town. And your Fran, too!

Spoiler

I'm being terribly sarcastic if you can't tell

Negative, that's why I don't want it. And why I want to give it to someone who I don't mind lynching.

Also I have said several times before:. I don't believe Kark at all and I think there's a group of players with their own agenda in the game.

We will have more info after we lynch Kark. That's why I don't want to give the role to someone who supported him.

 

[Karkador]

Negative, that's why I don't want it. And why I want to give it to someone who I don't mind lynching.

Also I have said several times before:. I don't believe Kark at all and I think there's a group of players with their own agenda in the game.

We will have more info after we lynch Kark. That's why I don't want to give the role to someone who supported him.

I really don't understand how you want to give it to someone you want to lynch, but not to me.

I fit the bill perfectly, and this isn't even counting the benefit from the roleflip

 

[Sawneeks]

Fran, am I still in cahoots with Kark and Saw

I just want to know who I should be playing ball with

Saw, Kark, remember what we discussed in our chat

Right, the plan....

Spoiler

are we overriding Fran before or after the Day Kill?

Negative, that's why I don't want it. And why I want to give it to someone who I don't mind lynching.

Also I have said several times before:. I don't believe Kark at all and I think there's a group of players with their own agenda in the game.

We will have more info after we lynch Kark. That's why I don't want to give the role to someone who supported him.

So. Wait.

You want to give it to someone you want to Lynch but won't give it to Kark ( who you plan on lynching anyway) because of a possible override???

What