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Quarantine Mafia |OT| The Contagion is spreading.

Swamped

Banned
Good morning, it's pivot time.


As you probably guessed, I'm not Infected.

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If you are telling the truth and this isn't simply damage control from a gambit gone wrong, what did you hope to gain from this?

Also, what do you really think of CCS's claim then?

A lot of people know CCS and say it's in line with his meta, but I have never played with him before. I think his claim is very bold, and D1 is the perfect time to make such plays I guess. BUT he did claim with the hope of being made Director, saying that his original role made him perfect for the job. So I'm currently leaning towards the claim being true. If it is though his role is pretty useless.

If he's scum that was a really bold move to get the plus 3 votes. This ability is useless for scum until the endgame, so this strikes me as a scum gambit with little payoff, especially as it brings too much attention to oneself (could become the target of an SK, or watcher or something). So yeah, I think CCS is telling the truth.

BUT if his claim is true, and if we make him director it means that this power will remain in the game for a while. That's not a bad thing.
 

Natiko

Banned
I'm apparently not being clear on my position or idea and discussing it now will get us nowhere but a lot of pointless bickering. Not to mention I highly doubt I can go through with my idea and get people on board anyway.
It's not that I don't understand your position, one of my concerns is if there's any possibility he could avoid being killed. This game isn't standard by any means so I'm nervous to make the assumption that nothing can go wrong in a plan that involves handing the Director to someone that claimed Infected is all.

Good morning, it's pivot time.


As you probably guessed, I'm not Infected.
Alright Kark, if this is your new stance then let's go down another path. Were you truly vying for the Director position? What was your goal with the deception?

A lot of people know CCS and say it's in line with his meta, but I have never played with him before. I think his claim is very bold, and D1 is the perfect time to make such plays I guess. BUT he did claim with the hope of being made Director, saying that his original role made him perfect for the job. So I'm currently leaning towards the claim being true. If it is though his role is pretty useless.

If he's scum that was a really bold move to get the plus 3 votes. This ability is useless for scum until the endgame, so this strikes me as a scum gambit with little payoff, especially as it brings too much attention to oneself (could become the target of an SK, or watcher or something). So yeah, I think CCS is telling the truth.

BUT if his claim is true, and if we make him director it means that this power will remain in the game for a while. That's not a bad thing.
My main issue with making CCS Director is his decision making. He tends to just do his own thing and not use much analysis. I would fear he would side with scum unknowingly. I also have a side concern but it's a bit flimsy as it's not based on any real evidence, that being the outside chance he's a neutral. Mutant isn't exactly the most friendly sounding role, but again it's a very minor point unless actual evidence is produced.

Going to go through and get a vote down as time allows during work today.
 

CCS

Banned
It's not that I don't understand your position, one of my concerns is if there's any possibility he could avoid being killed. This game isn't standard by any means so I'm nervous to make the assumption that nothing can go wrong in a plan that involves handing the Director to someone that claimed Infected is all.


Alright Kark, if this is your new stance then let's go down another path. Were you truly vying for the Director position? What was your goal with the deception?


My main issue with making CCS Director is his decision making. He tends to just do his own thing and not use much analysis. I would fear he would side with scum unknowingly. I also have a side concern but it's a bit flimsy as it's not based on any real evidence, that being the outside chance he's a neutral. Mutant isn't exactly the most friendly sounding role, but again it's a very minor point unless actual evidence is produced.

Going to go through and get a vote down as time allows during work today.

Rude. Did X-men teach you nothing? :p
 
Good morning, it's pivot time.


As you probably guessed, I'm not Infected.

Gambits *high-five*. But yeah, care to explain why? I get the "hey I'm giving you a good way to kill a known character after I get the director button tonight". But your gambits usually are multi-faceted.

What else have you learned?
 

acohrs

Member
I'm okay with nominating acohrs as Director as thanks for his strong gif game :p

You must have missed my post from before buddy

Also, morning all. This thread moved quite a bit while I was asleep. The general consensus seems to be that the role of Director is a poisoned chalice. Yes, 3 votes, but...

likely to be targeted by infected, despite whether infected or not everyone else will not trust you and prolly lynch you as soon as possible, may be scum and abuse the 3 vote power, etc.

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Hey buddy, you take it back!

Vote: CCS
 

Natiko

Banned
VOTE: Burbeting

Burbeting was helping further discussion early on and was asking good questions and sharing thoughts. He then volunteered for Director but outside of that post never mentioned it again. I'm not sure that I'll leave my vote here but was hoping to get his attention since he has become more quiet recently.

Burb - why did you volunteer for Director? Was there specific reasoning behind it? What are your current thoughts?
 

Swamped

Banned
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It's a D2 lynch for Kark! Hooray!

Were you behind a D2 lynch for Kark before he revealed he was 'lying'? If so, am I right in saying this revelation changed nothing about how you feel about Kark?

I'm willing to hear what Kark has to say.
 

acohrs

Member
Were you behind a D2 lynch for Kark before he revealed he was 'lying'? If so, am I right in saying this revelation changed nothing about how you feel about Kark?

I'm willing to hear what Kark has to say.

I wasn't, if you look back at my posts I never mentioned anything about lynching Kark on D2. I just despaired that people were actually considering giving him the Director role
 

Kalor

Member
Now this makes voting for a director more difficult since the infected is unknown unless Kark is bluffing about his pivot.

Since I don't have a vote.

Vote: Sawneeks

I would also being willing to vote for Natiko and CCS but based on her posts Sawneeks is the best suited for the role.
 
If Kark says he's not Infected, then it might be helpful to gauge everyone's initial reactions to his claim, as the real Infected would know he was lying.

VOTE: Sawneeks
 

acohrs

Member
If Kark says he's not Infected, then it might be helpful to gauge everyone's initial reactions to his claim, as the real Infected would know he was lying.

VOTE: Sawneeks

Problem: is him being infected the bluff or is it him being townie. Both from his mouth, both as credible as each other
 

franconp

Member
Problem: is him being infected the bluff or is it him being townie. Both from his mouth, both as credible as each other

I almost sure that being infected is the bluff and he is a townie but the question is why? Why the gambit? What's the pay off? And that's where I don't know if I can trust Kark.

I want to hear what he says but I'm leaning to lynch him anyway. We may never be sure why he did it, if he has the best interest of town in mind or igual he is following his own agenda. He will be a topic as long as he stays un the game. It's like what we disscused a little while ago.
 

Faddy

Banned
I almost sure that being infected is the bluff and he is a townie but the question is why? Why the gambit? What's the pay off? And that's where I don't know if I can trust Kark.

I want to hear what he says but I'm leaning to lynch him anyway. We may never be sure why he did it, if he has the best interest of town in mind or igual he is following his own agenda. He will be a topic as long as he stays un the game. It's like what we disscused a little while ago.

I'm still leaning for a quick lynch as well. If there is only one infected I don't see what useful info his bluff accomplished.

Also

He might not be infected now but he could be infected tonight.
 

franconp

Member
I'm still leaning for a quick lynch as well. If there is only one infected I don't see what useful info his bluff accomplished.

Also

He might not be infected now but he could be infected tonight.

The problem is that we spend the last day discussing with the mindset that the infection were random but now we don't know. Most likely they aren't random so again the main target should be the director.
 

CCS

Banned
What if Kark is neutral? Wouldn't be much less weird, but if he's not scum it might explain such a bizarrely anti town gambit.
 

Faddy

Banned
The problem is that we spend the last day discussing with the mindset that the infection were random but now we don't know. Most likely they aren't random so again the main target should be the director.

I don't think the infection is random simply by reading the game design

At a stage 2 infection, the Araxoid's intelligence returns to human-like levels, as well they gain the ability to infect other humans.

The intelligent infected (aka with Mafia chat) are the ones doing the infecting which means that it isn't random.
 

franconp

Member
I think we should talk again about setting rules to the director. We could hold the lynch down a couple of days until we truly understand how the infection goes if we forced the director to behave a certain way.
 

franconp

Member
I don't think the infection is random simply by reading the game design



The intelligent infected (aka with Mafia chat) are the ones doing the infecting which means that it isn't random.

So what do we do day 2? We lynch Kark and know the truth or lynch the Director to avoid he being infected?

And giving Kark the role is not an option at all.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Remember, we have to largely discard any of Kark's bullshit regarding how Araxia potentially works - he might infected, he might not, but it doesn't matter at this point since we can't lynch him anyway today.
 

CCS

Banned
I think we should talk again about setting rules to the director. We could hold the lynch down a couple of days until we truly understand how the infection goes if we forced the director to behave a certain way.

Okay, for people who believe my BP claim, how about this: if I'm director, I won't vote except to break ties. Sound good?
 

franconp

Member
Remember, we have to largely discard any of Kark's bullshit regarding how Araxia potentially works - he might infected, he might not, but it doesn't matter at this point since we can't lynch him anyway today.

Who do you lean to lynch day 2? Kark or the Director?
 

Faddy

Banned
So what do we do day 2? We lynch Kark and know the truth or lynch the Director to avoid he being infected?

And giving Kark the role is not an option at all.

Lynch kark day 2. We still have a huge majority over the director come day 3.

Infecting the director is a gamble for the mafia anyway since someone must have a protection power. And if there is only one right now they need to grow the infection, why risk hitting such an obvious target and getting blocked.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Then again the ability to question oneself is a good sign for leader, leads to debate and a changing viewpoint. Saw would definitely weigh up all options from every angle before voting. Then again, analysis paralysis.

Hmm, not sure about my vote now. Saw, any reassurance that you can provide would be great pls thnks,

I'll tell you my scumtells and how I play as Town vs how I play as Scum.

Although I do feel now that Natiko is a good choice as well so if you are uncertain and wish to move it elsewhere that's fine.

Good morning, it's pivot time.

As you probably guessed, I'm not Infected.

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I'm awaiting your 'this is what I learned/why I made a gambit' post.

It's not that I don't understand your position, one of my concerns is if there's any possibility he could avoid being killed. This game isn't standard by any means so I'm nervous to make the assumption that nothing can go wrong in a plan that involves handing the Director to someone that claimed Infected is all.

I'm not assuming nothing can go wrong but I'm guessing that if Kark is somehow NK-immune or lynch-proof then there are balances in place to make sure that isn't entirely game-breaking. Unless Dusk built a broken game there are checks and balances in place for those sort of eventualities.
 

Burbeting

Banned
It's not exactly surprising that Kark took back his infected claim, after it backfired on him as it did. Is he telling the truth this time, though? My only theory for a town Kark to do the claim as he did was hoping that the Araxoids wouldn't care about infecting him after claiming as he had done, which would secure the director to be kept in town's side, if he got that power. There could be more to it, though.

At any case, it is hard to give him any credibility at this point. If you were town Kark, what other reception were you expecting to your claim? People are not going to trust a claimed scum, and people aren't going to trust you now. Day 2 lynch on you is going to be pretty likely, and if you are town, that means you wasted town's time for the first two day phases, while letting scum lay low and do as your please. I'm also not a fan of how you just took back your claim, and then faded away into nothingness again.

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It seems that Natiko is getting traction as the main director candidate. He wouldn't be awful choice to be the director, but I feel little unsure. He has been fairly analytical and thoughtful during this day phase, but I also haven't read any of his previous games, so I don't have any point of reference of how trusting I'm willing to give him as powerful voting power as Director is. Some of the votes on him also feel very... bandwagonyly safe to be honest. Fat4all and Fran seem like prime examples of this.

Still, the nature of the game makes this kind of wondering more difficult. If Kark's original claim was true, then there is only one scum, so voting analysis like this would be meaningless. But if Kark is actually town/is lying about some aspects, there could be more at play. Still, Natiko wouldn't be awful candidate to be a director.

VOTE: Burbeting

Burbeting was helping further discussion early on and was asking good questions and sharing thoughts. He then volunteered for Director but outside of that post never mentioned it again. I'm not sure that I'll leave my vote here but was hoping to get his attention since he has become more quiet recently.

Burb - why did you volunteer for Director? Was there specific reasoning behind it? What are your current thoughts?

I volunteered because I thought that the Director mechanic was interesting, and I wouldn't mind holding the power: it could make things more interesting for myself. It would also push myself further in trying to figure out who scum are, since my vote would carry more weight. In a sense, it would be a stopgap forcing me to not to become intellectually lazy while re-reading thread and posts during later days.

And well, since I seem to have had tendency to die in N2, at least it would mean the end of uncertainty of the role, if nothing else :D.

I still wouldn't mind becoming the director. My reasonings are little selfish though, so make that as you will.

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I wouldn't want to make either CCS or acohrs as the director at this point. The director has to be someone, who if not turned into infected, is not easy to control by the infected influence.

Kark is out of the question. Ouro doesn't feel viable option either, mostly due to him going with Kark's pretty insane request. Ouro also has that aura of manipulation in his posts, which could become problematic if he is turned into an infected.

Natiko is not a bad choice, but like I said, I don't have a point of reference about him, so I don't feel confident enough in voting for him.

Reading through the thread again, I think that I'll go for Swamped, at least for now. Her posts have been short, but good. She asks questions from people, and has been generally contributive. I also trust her on being good asset for town later, based on her previous performance. Obviously it would be a problem if she was turned into infected, she isn't called mafia queen for no reason. But that's a problem we will face no matter who we choose as a director (outside Kark, I guess)

VOTE: Swamped
 

Natiko

Banned
Since the topic was broached again my stance on voting if I am elected as Director will be to continue to view my vote as 1. What that means is I will only vote if my vote being tripled will not unfairly skew the results. I generally won't be able to vote until close to day end so as to not tip the scales so to speak, and in some cases I will have to "vote" without using the highlight tags in order to not push my selection over someone that has true majority.
 

franconp

Member
To clarify I only voted for Natiko because didn't wanted to give the role to Sawneeks. I had already that I didn't like how she wanted to give the role to Kark and how she changed her position with the role. She was getting traction and I wanted to avoid that.

I'm fine with anyone else as the Director if it isn't Ouro, Sawneeks or Kark.
 

Fat4all

Banned
Ouro, the discomfort on you with some players doesn't stem from how long you were agreeing with Kark, but with how quick you were to accept, agree with, and vote for Kark. This is actually reinforced to some degree with how quick you were to throw them to the side, unvote your Director vote, then distance from them.

I doubt you have any connection to Kark, but I don't blame some other for having that thought in the backs of their minds.
 

Verelios

Member
Good morning, it's pivot time.


As you probably guessed, I'm not Infected.
I woke up to this, but how am I not surprised. So you were willing to screw over town for a day or two just for your own benefit? No wonder, there's no way you'd be actively fighting against your win-von. My vote is going to be solidly on you day 2 Kark unless something unexpected comes up.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Ouro, the discomfort on you with some players doesn't stem from how long you were agreeing with Kark, but with how quick you were to accept, agree with, and vote for Kark. This is actually reinforced to some degree with how quick you were to throw them to the side, unvote your Director vote, then distance from them.

I doubt you have any connection to Kark, but I don't blame some other for having that thought in the backs of their minds.

yeah yeah, I know. i was just trying to get us SOMEWHERE
 
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