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[Stet]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...er-quebec-premier-dead-at-84-spouse-says.html

MONTREAL—Jacques Parizeau, the blunt-talking sovereigntist premier whose strategic cunning came close to ripping Quebec out of Canada, has died. He was 84.

His spouse, Lisette Lapointe, announced his death Monday night on her Facebook page.

“Immense grief tonight,” Lapointe said.

“The man of my life has gone ... He was surrounded by love. After a titanic fight, hospitalized for five months, facing challenges one after the other with extraordinary courage and determination, he passed away ... We are devastated.

“We love him and will love him forever.”

More at the link.

Any Canadian around during the '95 referendum will struggle to say nice things about the guy. At the very best, maybe this will signal the start of the well-and-truly death of separatism in Quebec.

 

[Kuro Madoushi]

Meh. As if they were going anywhere. Ol Chrétien was close to calling the army in on them.

 

[SketchTheArtist]

Sad. He was one of the last real politician in Quebec. The ones motivated by change and an actual better future.

 

[Olivier]

At the very best, maybe this will signal the start of the well-and-truly death of separatism in Quebec.

Nah, since his retirement he's been known as a "belle-mère" (mother-in-law) of the PQ for his constant criticism of the party. Not exactly a leader for sovereignists.

And I don't think separatism will "die". It will continue to lose support over time but the idea itself will always be a relevant option worth discussing for francophones in Canada.

 

[VincentMatts]

Nah, since his retirement he's been known as a "belle-mère" (mother-in-law) of the PQ for his constant criticism of the party. Not exactly a leader for sovereignists.

And I don't think separatism will "die". It will continue to lose support over time but the idea itself will always be a relevant option worth discussing for francophones in Canada.

No it will never die, and that's the problem. Quebec will always suffer because of the uncertainty it creates for businesses. As long as it lives, the economy will suffer.

 

[Megasoum]

Any Canadian around during the '95 referendum will struggle to say nice things about the guy. At the very best, maybe this will signal the start of the well-and-truly death of separatism in Quebec.

Funny you say that... I happen to be a Canadian and I was here in 95 and I have a ton of respect for that guy.

Maybe keeping your bullshit politcal arguments out of a man's own fucking eulogy is to much to ask for some people these days. Disgusting.

 

[Ricker]

May he rest in peace...Je me souviens.The PQ(parti Quebecois)came very close in the 70's/80's with him and Rene Levesque of course with the whole seperation thing...I dont think it will happen for awhile now though...

 

[Stet]

Funny you say that... I happen to be a Canadian and I was here in 95 and I have a ton of respect for that guy.

Maybe keeping your bullshit politcal arguments out of a man's own fucking eulogy is to much to ask for some people these days. Disgusting.

I come to bury him, not to eulogize him.

 

[Kurdel]

[At the very best, maybe this will signal the start of the well-and-truly death of separatism in Quebec.

Lol sperarstism has been around much longer than the modern referendums.

All it will take is another fuck up from Canada and sentiments will flare up again.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Funny you say that... I happen to be a Canadian and I was here in 95 and I have a ton of respect for that guy.

Maybe keeping your bullshit politcal arguments out of a man's own fucking eulogy is to much to ask for some people these days. Disgusting.

I was here too, he was a stain.

 

[LCfiner]

I was here too, he was a stain.

I'll always remember the line he said about "money and the ethnics" line he gave in '95 when they lost. I was happy when he receded from the spotlight

 

[RevoDS]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...er-quebec-premier-dead-at-84-spouse-says.html



More at the link.

Any Canadian around during the '95 referendum will struggle to say nice things about the guy. At the very best, maybe this will signal the start of the well-and-truly death of separatism in Quebec.

It's okay to have divergent opinions. It's an entirely different matter when you disrespect someone that literally just passed away. Not only that, but he also devoted most of his life to public service. Maybe not in the ways you'd like, but it's still commendable.

You're genuinely happy that someone died. Let that sink in.

You're a disgusting person.

RIP Parizeau

 

[Zoc]

I never understood the hate that this guy got (or the separatists in general). If Quebec wants to be its own country, who cares? Let them do it. If they want to stay, that's fine, too. Why get upset?

 

[Viewt]

As an American with no ties to Canada, I've always found the Separatist Movement super fascinating. I'll actually be visiting Montreal for the firs time next month. I imagine it's probably not a polite thing to bring up, though, so I probably won't talk about it with any locals.

In any case, I don't really know much about this person, but my heart goes out to their family. It sounds like they're really heartbroken about it.

 

[Clinton514]

Me and my family represent that "ethnic" vote he ranted about.

Can't say I have anything great to say about this guy.

 

[TimeKillr]

It's okay to have divergent opinions. It's an entirely different matter when you disrespect someone that literally just passed away. Not only that, but he also devoted most of his life to public service. Maybe not in the ways you'd like, but it's still commendable.

You're genuinely happy that someone died. Let that sink in.

You're a disgusting person.

RIP Parizeau

Pretty much spot on.

Regardless of your opinions on the guy, this is absolutely ridiculous.

As for his "money and ethnics" line, it came from the fact that the rest of Canada spent a shitton of money into the 95 referendum AND that they used a lot of scare tactics on ethnicities to make them vote against separation. To him, this is why they lost, and he's pretty much right on the nose.

Not saying I want to separate from Canada (I used to, now I just stopped caring as a whole) but seriously, being happy that someone who actually gave a damn in politics and was in it not for the money or the connections but for the pursuit of a better society makes you a total douche. Try to find politicians that aren't motivated by their own self-interests anymore, I dare you.

 

[Megasoum]

I never understood the hate that this guy got (or the separatists in general). If Quebec wants to be its own country, who cares? Let them do it. If they want to stay, that's fine, too. Why get upset?

Exactly. I'm not separatist, I've never been but I still respect what this guy did his whole life.

As an American with no ties to Canada, I've always found the Separatist Movement super fascinating. I'll actually be visiting Montreal for the firs time next month. I imagine it's probably not a polite thing to bring up, though, so I probably won't talk about it with any locals.

In any case, I don't really know much about this person, but my heart goes out to their family. It sounds like they're really heartbroken about it.

Nothing impolite about bringing up that subject. You might have a tough time finding someone who gives a shit about the subject to have a sustained discussion lol. Especially in english.

The hardcore separatists are all francophone and the vast majority of english speaking Quebecers are obviously against it but in reality just don't give a shit.

The hardcore federalist that like to shit on the movement (and often on Québec in general) are from outside Québec.

 

[Stet]

It's okay to have divergent opinions. It's an entirely different matter when you disrespect someone that literally just passed away. Not only that, but he also devoted most of his life to public service. Maybe not in the ways you'd like, but it's still commendable.

You're genuinely happy that someone died. Let that sink in.

You're a disgusting person.

RIP Parizeau

Pretty much spot on.

Regardless of your opinions on the guy, this is absolutely ridiculous.

As for his "money and ethnics" line, it came from the fact that the rest of Canada spent a shitton of money into the 95 referendum AND that they used a lot of scare tactics on ethnicities to make them vote against separation. To him, this is why they lost, and he's pretty much right on the nose.

Not saying I want to separate from Canada (I used to, now I just stopped caring as a whole) but seriously, being happy that someone who actually gave a damn in politics and was in it not for the money or the connections but for the pursuit of a better society makes you a total douche. Try to find politicians that aren't motivated by their own self-interests anymore, I dare you.

Where do any of you see that I'm happy that he died? Keep it in your pants.

 

[firehawk12]

It's okay to have divergent opinions. It's an entirely different matter when you disrespect someone that literally just passed away. Not only that, but he also devoted most of his life to public service. Maybe not in the ways you'd like, but it's still commendable.

You're genuinely happy that someone died. Let that sink in.

You're a disgusting person.

RIP Parizeau

Parizeau said some disgusting things, so it balances out?

I mean, I wasn't dancing in the streets when Thatcher died, but I also understand why people would be happy that the figurehead of British conservatism is gone.

 

[IceCold]

I never understood the hate that this guy got (or the separatists in general). If Quebec wants to be its own country, who cares? Let them do it. If they want to stay, that's fine, too. Why get upset?

Many people actually live in Quebec and are against it. The separatism movement and related bullshit such as loi 101 fucked Montreal economically.

Also it isn't wise to publicly blame immigrants for the referendum result, the same people that built this place. Many of my family members got discriminated against during this time.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

I feel like separatism went quiet when the BQ got completely annihilated last election.

 

[Megasoum]

I feel like separatism went quiet when the BQ got completely annihilated last election.

It went quiet after the 95 referendum.

Even when the PQ was in power nobody gave a shit about it except the most hardcore who are too few to really matter.

 

[firehawk12]

I feel like separatism went quiet when the BQ got completely annihilated last election.

The BQ tried to build an election based on yet another ballot question centered around ethnicity/culture and I imagine that many of the electorate just got tired of it.

 

[VincentMatts]

I never understood the hate that this guy got (or the separatists in general). If Quebec wants to be its own country, who cares? Let them do it. If they want to stay, that's fine, too. Why get upset?

Because we live there and it could possible affect our lives for the worse?

Its easy to say "why get upset" if you dont live here. It wont affect you.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Nah, since his retirement he's been known as a "belle-mère" (mother-in-law) of the PQ for his constant criticism of the party. Not exactly a leader for sovereignists.

And I don't think separatism will "die". It will continue to lose support over time but the idea itself will always be a relevant option worth discussing for francophones in Canada.

Not enough support to fuel your agenda is 'death' in politics.

 

[Savitar]

What I wish to say about this man is best not said, especially since it is ill to speak of the dead.

To say his party and those who supported it have caused Canada some grief is an understatement. The amount of appeasement we've had to do is unbelievable. I will definitely not mourn anything that happens to their agenda or their policies.

 

[bonesmccoy]

RIP, my fellow Canadian.

 

[AudioNoir]

I don't think anyone here is looking to toss confetti on the casket. He died, and that's sad.

He also made great political efforts to shit all over a beautiful province, and that's pretty fucking sad, too.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Funny you say that... I happen to be a Canadian and I was here in 95 and I have a ton of respect for that guy.

Maybe keeping your bullshit politcal arguments out of a man's own fucking eulogy is to much to ask for some people these days. Disgusting.

He was a bigot who only became less of a bigot when you compared him to the other uber-bigots he shared a party with, and he tried to break up a country using deception, nonsense and made-up history. While I certainly have sympathy for his family members who undoubtedly loved him and will miss him, I think it's totally understandable if some people don't have anything nice to say about him.